Where I work the most popular reasons were "its not in the Bible" and 2 "I don't want my children learning about homosexuals in school".(or at all)
How do you feel about gay marriage?
06/10/2009
Quote:
Just for the record, I wasn't saying any particular church did or didn't allow gay marriage, I just pulled the first names that popped in to my mind to flesh out the example. I'm sorry if I made it sound like those were the official positions of those churches, and I swear it wasn't my intention!
Originally posted by
Luscious Lily
Though I'm not directly affected by whether or not homosexual marriages are legal and/or are permitted by various sects and religions, I guess you could say I'm collaterally affected. My cousin and her girlfriend, who live in California,
...
more
Though I'm not directly affected by whether or not homosexual marriages are legal and/or are permitted by various sects and religions, I guess you could say I'm collaterally affected. My cousin and her girlfriend, who live in California, won't be able to get married now. Also, my father is beginning the transition to female. (he asked to be my "father" instead of "mother" still for now, hence the noun used) When the transition is done, my parents' marriage will be a homosexual one. While the state we live in won't invalidate their marriage once the transition is done (this may no longer be true if we move), our church most likely will, and religion is very important to my parents.
As a Methodist, I'd like to clear up the comment Backseat Boohoo made, but with the preface that it is not intended as an attack or to start an argument, but as a lament about the denomination in which I was raised.
The official position is that the United Methodist Church supports homosexuals being part of the congregation, partaking in sacraments and activities, and supports the civil rights of homosexual individuals, but Methodist ministers aren't allowed to perform gay marriages, such marriages may not be performed in Methodist churches, and homosexuals may not be ordained. Some congregations and ministers are willing to break these rules and perform gay marriages, but these marriages are unfortunately not accepted by the whole Methodist church, and can cost the minister in question his or her position and even ordination. (There are a few congregations who get around this by hiring a minister from a denomination allowing gay marriage to be on staff, who then performs the ceremony just outside the church building, with the methodist minister overseeing from the church steps)
There is a growing number of congregations in favor of overthrowing this official position, but no such measure has successfully been passed. Unfortunately, in practice many Methodist congregations aren't nearly as accepting as they are asked to be, even without allowing marriages. We are asked to accept them as individuals, not "abusing" them for their sexual orientations, but I have seen more than one homosexual couple and individual driven from the congregation I grew up in. This same congregation, of which my parents have been an active part for almost 20 years, would have a fast and harsh backlash if they found out that my father will someday be a woman.
For those not interested in the politics of a particular denomination of a religion notorious for its bigotry, I apologize for this long post. And if you couldn't tell, my answer to the poll is that I'm all for same sex marriages, in personal, religious, financial, and legal arenas. less
As a Methodist, I'd like to clear up the comment Backseat Boohoo made, but with the preface that it is not intended as an attack or to start an argument, but as a lament about the denomination in which I was raised.
The official position is that the United Methodist Church supports homosexuals being part of the congregation, partaking in sacraments and activities, and supports the civil rights of homosexual individuals, but Methodist ministers aren't allowed to perform gay marriages, such marriages may not be performed in Methodist churches, and homosexuals may not be ordained. Some congregations and ministers are willing to break these rules and perform gay marriages, but these marriages are unfortunately not accepted by the whole Methodist church, and can cost the minister in question his or her position and even ordination. (There are a few congregations who get around this by hiring a minister from a denomination allowing gay marriage to be on staff, who then performs the ceremony just outside the church building, with the methodist minister overseeing from the church steps)
There is a growing number of congregations in favor of overthrowing this official position, but no such measure has successfully been passed. Unfortunately, in practice many Methodist congregations aren't nearly as accepting as they are asked to be, even without allowing marriages. We are asked to accept them as individuals, not "abusing" them for their sexual orientations, but I have seen more than one homosexual couple and individual driven from the congregation I grew up in. This same congregation, of which my parents have been an active part for almost 20 years, would have a fast and harsh backlash if they found out that my father will someday be a woman.
For those not interested in the politics of a particular denomination of a religion notorious for its bigotry, I apologize for this long post. And if you couldn't tell, my answer to the poll is that I'm all for same sex marriages, in personal, religious, financial, and legal arenas. less
06/10/2009
Dunno if anybody else has seen this, but it was circulating myspace awhile back and I absolutely love the sarcastic humor.
[sarcasm] Top 8 Reasons Gay Marriage Should Remain Illegal [/sarcasm]
1. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even try to marry their pets—because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
2. The "traditional" definition of marriage has stayed the same for so long, why change it now? Women are still defined as property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
3. Straight marriage would be less meaningful if gay marriage were to be allowed. The sanctity of Britany Spears' two-day just-for-fun marriage, for example, would be destroyed.
4. Straight couples will have their rights taken from them if gay couples are granted theirs, just like white male voters had their rights taken away when the civil rights movement gave blacks and women an equal right to vote.
5. The sole purpose of marriage is to produce children; hence, gay couples, infertile people, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry. The world needs more children, and our orphanages aren't full enough yet.
6. Gay parents will only raise gay children, just like straight parents only raise straight children.
7. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we forbid single parents to raise children. Besides, children are better off spending their entire childhoods in orphanages than being adopted into gay homes anyway—they may be treated as outcasts if other children know their parents are gay. And it totally makes sense to base our legal decisions on what high school children may or may not make fun of another child for.
8. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the commands of a single religion are imposed on the entire country by law. Especially Deuteronomy 22:28-29, which commands victims of rape by law to marry their rapists for life; Exodus 21:20-21, which allows a slavemaster to beat his slave to death as long as the slave at least suffers for a day or two before keeling over; and Leviticus 11:9-12, which declares shrimp and lobster an "abomination" and strictly forbids their consumption as food.
[sarcasm] Top 8 Reasons Gay Marriage Should Remain Illegal [/sarcasm]
1. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even try to marry their pets—because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
2. The "traditional" definition of marriage has stayed the same for so long, why change it now? Women are still defined as property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
3. Straight marriage would be less meaningful if gay marriage were to be allowed. The sanctity of Britany Spears' two-day just-for-fun marriage, for example, would be destroyed.
4. Straight couples will have their rights taken from them if gay couples are granted theirs, just like white male voters had their rights taken away when the civil rights movement gave blacks and women an equal right to vote.
5. The sole purpose of marriage is to produce children; hence, gay couples, infertile people, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry. The world needs more children, and our orphanages aren't full enough yet.
6. Gay parents will only raise gay children, just like straight parents only raise straight children.
7. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we forbid single parents to raise children. Besides, children are better off spending their entire childhoods in orphanages than being adopted into gay homes anyway—they may be treated as outcasts if other children know their parents are gay. And it totally makes sense to base our legal decisions on what high school children may or may not make fun of another child for.
8. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the commands of a single religion are imposed on the entire country by law. Especially Deuteronomy 22:28-29, which commands victims of rape by law to marry their rapists for life; Exodus 21:20-21, which allows a slavemaster to beat his slave to death as long as the slave at least suffers for a day or two before keeling over; and Leviticus 11:9-12, which declares shrimp and lobster an "abomination" and strictly forbids their consumption as food.
06/13/2009
Quote:
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was angry at anyone! (except church officials) It's just a slight sore spot, and I figured I could write a short post mentioning that while there are denominations that allow gay marriage ours is still being pig-headed... and the post got a mind of its own. Hugs and no hard feelings?
Originally posted by
Backseat Boohoo
Just for the record, I wasn't saying any particular church did or didn't allow gay marriage, I just pulled the first names that popped in to my mind to flesh out the example. I'm sorry if I made it sound like those were the official
...
more
Just for the record, I wasn't saying any particular church did or didn't allow gay marriage, I just pulled the first names that popped in to my mind to flesh out the example. I'm sorry if I made it sound like those were the official positions of those churches, and I swear it wasn't my intention!
less
06/14/2009
Quote:
yes, because if we keep denying that gay people exist, they will go away!
Originally posted by
deceased
Where I work the most popular reasons were "its not in the Bible" and 2 "I don't want my children learning about homosexuals in school".(or at all)
06/14/2009
fire plug
You are what you eat.
Seriously, people ought to be able to do what they want. This is America. It's what we're built on. If a girl is in love with another girl or a guy with a guy, they deserve to celebrate it and get married if they want. Personally, I can't see marriage as a good choice for anyone, it's like breaking into jail. But, heck, to each his or her own.
Seriously, people ought to be able to do what they want. This is America. It's what we're built on. If a girl is in love with another girl or a guy with a guy, they deserve to celebrate it and get married if they want. Personally, I can't see marriage as a good choice for anyone, it's like breaking into jail. But, heck, to each his or her own.
06/16/2009
Gay marriage being illegal is like calling Arbor Day a "holiday". I thought holidays were supposed to be based on religious events, not trees or presidents or independence. If we want to go ahead and break some of the rules, then the church should just go crawl in a hole.
Go gay marriage!
Go gay marriage!
07/21/2009
Frankly, I don't understand what the big deal is. Why can't two people get married, even if they are the same gender? I voted in support of it in the last election (for my state). It was pretty close but the majority ruled. I live in a pretty open minded state so I was a bit surprised.
The most pressing issue for me is that a homosexual couple should have all the rights that heterosexual married couples have. That's the kicker. It's only fair.
The most pressing issue for me is that a homosexual couple should have all the rights that heterosexual married couples have. That's the kicker. It's only fair.
07/22/2009
And to be frank, I'm pretty tired of all this mumbo jumbo about how marriage is defined as between a man and woman, the church issues, blah blah blah. We're talking about people, real people who need to have rights. It's almost like some people think of homosexuals as a different group of people entirely, sans feelings or emotions. That way, they can detach themselves and be crude about the issue instead of taking a step outside of their own view points to consider the possibility of other people's feelings and desires.
Love is love, no matter what form it takes.
Love is love, no matter what form it takes.
07/22/2009
Two people meet, fall in love, and make the decision to spend the rest of their lives together.... I personally don't care what sexual orientation you happen to be, I would happily throw Cheerios at your wedding and celebrate the fact that you found your life mate.
Side note: (Cheerios are safer than rice, and the birds love them...LOL)
Side note: (Cheerios are safer than rice, and the birds love them...LOL)
07/22/2009
I was at one end of the Iolani Palace with aan Equal Rights, Equal Pay, Equal opportunity To Marry poster and a candle when someone from my work on the other side of the street came over with Say No to Gay Marriage and told me "YOu people will burn in hell. I don't want my son learning about people like you - queers-at school!"
"Where do you want your son to learn about gay people? In a restroom at the library?
Don't you think I had two straight parents. We are not out here recruting. We just want to have the same rights."
"Where do you want your son to learn about gay people? In a restroom at the library?
Don't you think I had two straight parents. We are not out here recruting. We just want to have the same rights."
08/09/2009
I couldn't be more curious as the what the "financial" reasons would be. Or even the "legal" reasons. I mean, I think I know what's being alluded to but I am surprised these flimsy arguments are being dignified with voting options here. Aye aye ayeeeeeee.
08/09/2009
To clarify my point: if ya hate gay people and/or think they are lesser human beings than you, therefore not entitled to the same privileges that you enjoy, just say so. I respect that more than all the justifications. I really don't like when people intellectualize bigotry and supremecism. It's not an intellectual pursuit, it's a hobby for the brain dead.
08/09/2009
Quote:
Sounds like that person who approached you was what Alan calls a "psychotic bible banger." The same kind that tells people they'll go to hell for watching porn, enjoying sex, listening to Metallica, reading Harry Potter, blah blah blah. Oh well, if they're right, we'll have much better entertainment and be in much more level-headed company, since those people seem to firmly believe that they'll be going the other direction.
Originally posted by
deceased
I was at one end of the Iolani Palace with aan Equal Rights, Equal Pay, Equal opportunity To Marry poster and a candle when someone from my work on the other side of the street came over with Say No to Gay Marriage and told me "YOu people will
...
more
I was at one end of the Iolani Palace with aan Equal Rights, Equal Pay, Equal opportunity To Marry poster and a candle when someone from my work on the other side of the street came over with Say No to Gay Marriage and told me "YOu people will burn in hell. I don't want my son learning about people like you - queers-at school!"
"Where do you want your son to learn about gay people? In a restroom at the library?
Don't you think I had two straight parents. We are not out here recruting. We just want to have the same rights." less
"Where do you want your son to learn about gay people? In a restroom at the library?
Don't you think I had two straight parents. We are not out here recruting. We just want to have the same rights." less
08/10/2009
Quote:
We homosexuals are like fairies. If you stop believing in us, WE DIE. D:
Originally posted by
Epiphora
yes, because if we keep denying that gay people exist, they will go away!
09/01/2009
Funny, the same topic came up on a thread that's entirely unrelated and arguably it shouldn't have done there! But what about historically, how some churches in the south argued that interracial marriage was a Biblical sin because of Deuteronomy?
BackSeat Boo Hoo and others have a wonderful attitude towards suggesting that churches should be allowed not to perform gay marriages if they so choose. That's incredibly sensitive and tolerant and if the right-wing loonies could read this, they'd see it undermines one of their greatest arguments about how same-sex marriage would infringe their 'religious freedoms.'
But for arguments sake, what if there were churches that still refused to perform interracial marriages? I mean, it wasn't until 1978 that the Mormons allowed black ministers, so it's not an entirely ridiculous hypothetical question.
Would you, we, the community still be as supportive of a church's right not to perform mixed marriages? Which is OBVIOUSLY wrong of them.
To undermine my argument - I can't imagine why anybody would WANT to get married in a church that believed that. But likewise, I can't imagine anybody wanting a same-sex marriage inside a church that's against it - but this seems to be one of the religious right's biggest fears.
In my mind, not allowing interracial marriage - or gay marriage - is just WRONG and it makes me deeply uncomfortable that we'd be willing to tolerate that behavior out of 'respect' for a religion that doesn't respect other people.
BackSeat Boo Hoo and others have a wonderful attitude towards suggesting that churches should be allowed not to perform gay marriages if they so choose. That's incredibly sensitive and tolerant and if the right-wing loonies could read this, they'd see it undermines one of their greatest arguments about how same-sex marriage would infringe their 'religious freedoms.'
But for arguments sake, what if there were churches that still refused to perform interracial marriages? I mean, it wasn't until 1978 that the Mormons allowed black ministers, so it's not an entirely ridiculous hypothetical question.
Would you, we, the community still be as supportive of a church's right not to perform mixed marriages? Which is OBVIOUSLY wrong of them.
To undermine my argument - I can't imagine why anybody would WANT to get married in a church that believed that. But likewise, I can't imagine anybody wanting a same-sex marriage inside a church that's against it - but this seems to be one of the religious right's biggest fears.
In my mind, not allowing interracial marriage - or gay marriage - is just WRONG and it makes me deeply uncomfortable that we'd be willing to tolerate that behavior out of 'respect' for a religion that doesn't respect other people.
09/02/2009
Quote:
And when I say 'religion' I mean 'a particular sect of a particular religion' not religion in general.
Originally posted by
Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
Funny, the same topic came up on a thread that's entirely unrelated and arguably it shouldn't have done there! But what about historically, how some churches in the south argued that interracial marriage was a Biblical sin because of
...
more
Funny, the same topic came up on a thread that's entirely unrelated and arguably it shouldn't have done there! But what about historically, how some churches in the south argued that interracial marriage was a Biblical sin because of Deuteronomy?
BackSeat Boo Hoo and others have a wonderful attitude towards suggesting that churches should be allowed not to perform gay marriages if they so choose. That's incredibly sensitive and tolerant and if the right-wing loonies could read this, they'd see it undermines one of their greatest arguments about how same-sex marriage would infringe their 'religious freedoms.'
But for arguments sake, what if there were churches that still refused to perform interracial marriages? I mean, it wasn't until 1978 that the Mormons allowed black ministers, so it's not an entirely ridiculous hypothetical question.
Would you, we, the community still be as supportive of a church's right not to perform mixed marriages? Which is OBVIOUSLY wrong of them.
To undermine my argument - I can't imagine why anybody would WANT to get married in a church that believed that. But likewise, I can't imagine anybody wanting a same-sex marriage inside a church that's against it - but this seems to be one of the religious right's biggest fears.
In my mind, not allowing interracial marriage - or gay marriage - is just WRONG and it makes me deeply uncomfortable that we'd be willing to tolerate that behavior out of 'respect' for a religion that doesn't respect other people. less
BackSeat Boo Hoo and others have a wonderful attitude towards suggesting that churches should be allowed not to perform gay marriages if they so choose. That's incredibly sensitive and tolerant and if the right-wing loonies could read this, they'd see it undermines one of their greatest arguments about how same-sex marriage would infringe their 'religious freedoms.'
But for arguments sake, what if there were churches that still refused to perform interracial marriages? I mean, it wasn't until 1978 that the Mormons allowed black ministers, so it's not an entirely ridiculous hypothetical question.
Would you, we, the community still be as supportive of a church's right not to perform mixed marriages? Which is OBVIOUSLY wrong of them.
To undermine my argument - I can't imagine why anybody would WANT to get married in a church that believed that. But likewise, I can't imagine anybody wanting a same-sex marriage inside a church that's against it - but this seems to be one of the religious right's biggest fears.
In my mind, not allowing interracial marriage - or gay marriage - is just WRONG and it makes me deeply uncomfortable that we'd be willing to tolerate that behavior out of 'respect' for a religion that doesn't respect other people. less
09/02/2009
I chose the first and last.
I chose the first because it's people's right to choose who they marry. I chose the last because I truly don't care - it isn't my business to know what other people are doing with their spouses or even what gender their spouse/partner is.
I chose the first because it's people's right to choose who they marry. I chose the last because I truly don't care - it isn't my business to know what other people are doing with their spouses or even what gender their spouse/partner is.
09/02/2009
I think all kinds of marriage besides just christian marriage should be recognized. I draw the line at animals, but you know, not too long ago different races couldnt intermarry.
Personally I am Pagan, and am annoyed that mostly the only sort of union that can be 'official' is a union under an omnipotent god I don't believe in. While I am actually rather homophobic in an odd way (I hate man butts... and I find watching gratuitous kisses except between women gross... so when I say I dont like gay porn and when I say "get a room" etc to some snogging couple, m/f or m/m the m/f will tell me to fuck off and the m/m usually calls me a homophobe) so I suppose since men kissing and fucking doesn't turn me on I am technically a homophobe in societies eyes- I dont like yaoi either and that also makes people say I hate gay men. I honestly dont I just think sex should stay in relatively secluded areas and man butts are icky to me.. I really don't know why.
In any case I picked I don't care because I really don't. Like I said the country needs to recognize more forms of marriage anyways. But its not something I am going to rally for or against because I know it will happen regardless of my opinion on the matter. I just hope there is never a similar movement for say, extremist furries or beastiality, homosexuality is NOT RELATED AT ALL to those but it scares me to think, well maybe they will be the odd ones out to rally for acceptance next... and when that happens I WILL rally against it.
Sorry for rambling, haha..
Personally I am Pagan, and am annoyed that mostly the only sort of union that can be 'official' is a union under an omnipotent god I don't believe in. While I am actually rather homophobic in an odd way (I hate man butts... and I find watching gratuitous kisses except between women gross... so when I say I dont like gay porn and when I say "get a room" etc to some snogging couple, m/f or m/m the m/f will tell me to fuck off and the m/m usually calls me a homophobe) so I suppose since men kissing and fucking doesn't turn me on I am technically a homophobe in societies eyes- I dont like yaoi either and that also makes people say I hate gay men. I honestly dont I just think sex should stay in relatively secluded areas and man butts are icky to me.. I really don't know why.
In any case I picked I don't care because I really don't. Like I said the country needs to recognize more forms of marriage anyways. But its not something I am going to rally for or against because I know it will happen regardless of my opinion on the matter. I just hope there is never a similar movement for say, extremist furries or beastiality, homosexuality is NOT RELATED AT ALL to those but it scares me to think, well maybe they will be the odd ones out to rally for acceptance next... and when that happens I WILL rally against it.
Sorry for rambling, haha..
09/03/2009
When they voted NO on Gay marriage in Hawaii, they screwed the economy. Just think, you could get married and honey moon in the same place. They could promote beach weddings. Tourism, as much as we locals hate it, holds our economy together. People rent rooms, eat at restaraunts, buy stuff. Without tourism, Hawaii is just a collection of two dozen military bases, military housing, military this or that, and hotels. The military gets discounts for everything that they don't get free. We need the tourists to drive our economy, which is now at record unemployment rates. Even the University Faculty got pay cuts as well as all government workers. My pay also went down 6 bucks an hour. I don't even work in the tourist industry, but shit runs downhill, and I work a service job.
09/04/2009
Quote:
Anyone using the "it's not in the Bible" argument is just proving that they haven't actually read the Bible. Especially seeing as part of the traditional Christian marriage vows were originally spoken between two women. And don't get me started on David.
Originally posted by
deceased
Where I work the most popular reasons were "its not in the Bible" and 2 "I don't want my children learning about homosexuals in school".(or at all)
For the record, I'm a churchgoing Christian, I'm heterosexual, and I'm strongly in favor of gay marriage.
09/15/2009
Ok, I just so need to post this. I am (and no one hate me for it) a huge conservative and Catholic, so we can all see where I would stand based on that.
Wrong. Why? Well, so many people have pushed for a separation of church and state that I feel same sex marriage shouldn't even be in question. There are legal and tax benefits to being married, and since marriage licenses are issued by the state it shouldn't be affected by religion.
If a church wants to choose not to recognize a marriage (or even if God didn't, which I just don't think it works that way) they don't have to. All that matters is that the couple is married and happy, even if not in the eyes of churches. I know as a conservative I take heat for how I feel, but I have gay family members and I love them. Whether anyone agrees with their life choices or not they are still people and deserve to be treated as such.
just my two cents
Wrong. Why? Well, so many people have pushed for a separation of church and state that I feel same sex marriage shouldn't even be in question. There are legal and tax benefits to being married, and since marriage licenses are issued by the state it shouldn't be affected by religion.
If a church wants to choose not to recognize a marriage (or even if God didn't, which I just don't think it works that way) they don't have to. All that matters is that the couple is married and happy, even if not in the eyes of churches. I know as a conservative I take heat for how I feel, but I have gay family members and I love them. Whether anyone agrees with their life choices or not they are still people and deserve to be treated as such.
just my two cents
09/15/2009
Quote:
That is just sad...
Originally posted by
deceased
Where I work the most popular reasons were "its not in the Bible" and 2 "I don't want my children learning about homosexuals in school".(or at all)
I am hugely religious (Catholic~and my priest knows that I am all for gay marriage) and I think people who use the whole bible thing are hypocrites. According to the bible these are wrong as well: sex before marriage, divorce, drinking in excess, masturbation (it is actually adultery in the bible), even having sex while not trying to conceive is a sin. We are people, people break rules and push boundaries. I have a friend who flipped because my daughter knows what a lesbian is (my cousin is, and we don't hide from my children), and she was more horrified that my daughter is ok with it. I am known amongst my friends for having only one big pet peeve: Intolerance, I just can't deal with it at all.
09/15/2009
Quote:
This.
Originally posted by
J's Alley
Ok, I just so need to post this. I am (and no one hate me for it) a huge conservative and Catholic, so we can all see where I would stand based on that.
Wrong. Why? Well, so many people have pushed for a separation of church and state that ... more
Wrong. Why? Well, so many people have pushed for a separation of church and state that ... more
Ok, I just so need to post this. I am (and no one hate me for it) a huge conservative and Catholic, so we can all see where I would stand based on that.
Wrong. Why? Well, so many people have pushed for a separation of church and state that I feel same sex marriage shouldn't even be in question. There are legal and tax benefits to being married, and since marriage licenses are issued by the state it shouldn't be affected by religion.
If a church wants to choose not to recognize a marriage (or even if God didn't, which I just don't think it works that way) they don't have to. All that matters is that the couple is married and happy, even if not in the eyes of churches. I know as a conservative I take heat for how I feel, but I have gay family members and I love them. Whether anyone agrees with their life choices or not they are still people and deserve to be treated as such.
just my two cents less
Wrong. Why? Well, so many people have pushed for a separation of church and state that I feel same sex marriage shouldn't even be in question. There are legal and tax benefits to being married, and since marriage licenses are issued by the state it shouldn't be affected by religion.
If a church wants to choose not to recognize a marriage (or even if God didn't, which I just don't think it works that way) they don't have to. All that matters is that the couple is married and happy, even if not in the eyes of churches. I know as a conservative I take heat for how I feel, but I have gay family members and I love them. Whether anyone agrees with their life choices or not they are still people and deserve to be treated as such.
just my two cents less
The government forcing anything upon a religious organization would be unconstitutional, regardless of anyone's beliefs. The government refusing gay marriage on a religious basis is equally wrong. It's discrimination, and it needs to end.
09/15/2009
Wow...this was a really interesting read.
I think it's ludicrous that gay marriage is illegal.... who gets hurt by it?
I understand churches have their own beliefs, but our government? This country was founded on freedom... separation of church and state...am I right?
I think it's ludicrous that gay marriage is illegal.... who gets hurt by it?
I understand churches have their own beliefs, but our government? This country was founded on freedom... separation of church and state...am I right?
09/15/2009
Quote:
Exactly my thoughts!
Originally posted by
ToyGeek
This.
The government forcing anything upon a religious organization would be unconstitutional, regardless of anyone's beliefs. The government refusing gay marriage on a religious basis is equally wrong. It's discrimination, and it ... more
The government forcing anything upon a religious organization would be unconstitutional, regardless of anyone's beliefs. The government refusing gay marriage on a religious basis is equally wrong. It's discrimination, and it ... more
This.
The government forcing anything upon a religious organization would be unconstitutional, regardless of anyone's beliefs. The government refusing gay marriage on a religious basis is equally wrong. It's discrimination, and it needs to end. less
The government forcing anything upon a religious organization would be unconstitutional, regardless of anyone's beliefs. The government refusing gay marriage on a religious basis is equally wrong. It's discrimination, and it needs to end. less
09/15/2009
Quote:
That's what I mean. I am so very annoyed that Christian America wants to be sure it never happens, yet they want to be heard and taken care of and all that crap. I have a very "liberal" point of view on this according to my religion, but I am not seeing it as a religious issue. Marriage is a legal form issued by the state. If churches say no to allowing in that church, fine whatever, but since it can be done in a courthouse it is not the church's choice. If we are going to separate church and state (with all the different religions we should) then please allow gay marriage.
Originally posted by
ToyGeek
This.
The government forcing anything upon a religious organization would be unconstitutional, regardless of anyone's beliefs. The government refusing gay marriage on a religious basis is equally wrong. It's discrimination, and it ... more
The government forcing anything upon a religious organization would be unconstitutional, regardless of anyone's beliefs. The government refusing gay marriage on a religious basis is equally wrong. It's discrimination, and it ... more
This.
The government forcing anything upon a religious organization would be unconstitutional, regardless of anyone's beliefs. The government refusing gay marriage on a religious basis is equally wrong. It's discrimination, and it needs to end. less
The government forcing anything upon a religious organization would be unconstitutional, regardless of anyone's beliefs. The government refusing gay marriage on a religious basis is equally wrong. It's discrimination, and it needs to end. less
I actually had it out with my mother-in-law for telling my daughter it was wrong. I quickly corrected her and explained that all people deserve to be happy and married to the person they love.
09/15/2009
For it!
10/01/2009
beahotwife
Quote:
I think gays have every right to be as miserable as the rest of married couples
Originally posted by
Carrie Ann
I was reading over at the SF Gate this morning (cuz that's where my favorite columnist writes. Have you checked out Mark Morford? link You should. He's smart and funny and snarky as hell and I want to have insane sex with his brain) and,
...
more
I was reading over at the SF Gate this morning (cuz that's where my favorite columnist writes. Have you checked out Mark Morford? link You should. He's smart and funny and snarky as hell and I want to have insane sex with his brain) and, of course, the topic over there all week has been Prop 8. Which got me to thinking...
How do y'all feel about gay marriage?
We're a pretty open, liberal, sex positive community. Does that translate to our feelings about gay marriage?
I'm going to keep the poll anonymous so people feel able to answer with no pressure to answer a particular way. less
How do y'all feel about gay marriage?
We're a pretty open, liberal, sex positive community. Does that translate to our feelings about gay marriage?
I'm going to keep the poll anonymous so people feel able to answer with no pressure to answer a particular way. less
10/30/2009
Being gay myself pretty much sets my side on gay marriage. I don't really see what the big deal about it is. It's not like gay people being married directly affects most people.
11/23/2009