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Contributor: DeliciousSurprise DeliciousSurprise
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
Which I think is why it is important to raise the ranking to, at the very minimum, people whose reviews self-publish.

If there is no test, that should be the basic requirement. If reviews have good grammar and are self-publishing, then ... more
I disagree; just because someone writes a well-written review doesn't mean that they can identify their own mistakes, let alone anyone else's.


That being said, I'm probably not the most appropriate moral compass of the editing program because, it's true, I rarely edit my own reviews, which is why I have legions of minions who point them out to me.
08/01/2011
Contributor: Ajax Ajax
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Originally posted by Sir
It's not a test though, it's basic editing of grammar. If you look at it that way, then every review you edit will be a test, and that makes no sense whatsoever if you do not do well under pressure? Either way, I was just throwing out a ... more
I suppose you're right. It really was a great suggestion you threw out. I honestly think they WIll go with something like that because it will weed out a huge number of applicants and make selecting new editors easier.

If they do go with a test I hope they make up a few different versions for people who fail. You should get the chance to try again (maybe after a waiting period), but to have the same test again would make the whole thing pointless.
08/01/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
I don't much care for the need to reapply for something for which I've been approved/accepted on a constant rotating basis. I also feel that it would inspire people to become editors that are maybe not so appropriate for the job. ... more
But the way it feels from the outside is:

There are those of us who are qualified to edit reviews. We simply cannot get into the program because there is no room because no one is stepping down as an editor. And why would anyone step down?

I understand what you're saying about the need to reapply, but overall, I don't see what the harm is in reapplying.

I think a rotation like this is very appealing because it gives everyone (who is qualified) a chance to participate, get a feel for it, see if they enjoy it, etc. The program was implemented about 8 months ago. This makes it equal and fair to all who are qualified to edit.
08/01/2011
Contributor: Sir Sir
Quote:
Originally posted by Ajax
I suppose you're right. It really was a great suggestion you threw out. I honestly think they WIll go with something like that because it will weed out a huge number of applicants and make selecting new editors easier.

If they do go with a ... more
Oh no, I definitely think that for the people who do not pass, a certain blanket email should be sent listing what all of the errors were, how to fix them, and basic grammar tips so that when the contributor reapplies later, they will know.
08/01/2011
Contributor: DeliciousSurprise DeliciousSurprise
Quote:
Originally posted by Ajax
I suppose you're right. It really was a great suggestion you threw out. I honestly think they WIll go with something like that because it will weed out a huge number of applicants and make selecting new editors easier.

If they do go with a ... more
I think that a new test review for each application period would be appropriate, but... On the other hand, you know, it's a lot of work to read, say, a page per person, (even edited) every two months. And who would be "grading" the tests?
08/01/2011
Contributor: Sir Sir
Quote:
Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
I think that a new test review for each application period would be appropriate, but... On the other hand, you know, it's a lot of work to read, say, a page per person, (even edited) every two months. And who would be "grading" the tests?
Already qualified editors! YAY!
08/01/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
But the way it feels from the outside is:

There are those of us who are qualified to edit reviews. We simply cannot get into the program because there is no room because no one is stepping down as an editor. And why would anyone step down? ... more
Because I can't edit my post:

The program was implemented about 8 months ago and there has been very little change in editors. Only a few added here and there.
08/01/2011
Contributor: Pixel Pixel
Quote:
Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
But the way it feels from the outside is:

There are those of us who are qualified to edit reviews. We simply cannot get into the program because there is no room because no one is stepping down as an editor. And why would anyone step down? ... more
*applauds* Well said.
08/01/2011
Contributor: Pixel Pixel
Quote:
Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
But the way it feels from the outside is:

There are those of us who are qualified to edit reviews. We simply cannot get into the program because there is no room because no one is stepping down as an editor. And why would anyone step down? ... more
*applauds* Well said.
08/01/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Sir
Already qualified editors! YAY!
I was gonna say, "I dunno. YOU?" *shrug*
08/01/2011
Contributor: DeliciousSurprise DeliciousSurprise
Quote:
Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
But the way it feels from the outside is:

There are those of us who are qualified to edit reviews. We simply cannot get into the program because there is no room because no one is stepping down as an editor. And why would anyone step down? ... more
Because I don't wannnnnnnaaaaaa. It took me (Yes, I'm going there.) aaaaaages to get accepted and I don't want to have to do that whole song and dance again. No fair! Just because y'all weren't on top of your game...

Okay, I'm teasing you, a bit. But I mean it when I say I don't want to have to do the whole song and dance again because, yes, I already waited my turn and I feel like I've gotten to watch part of the film and now I have to go outside and wait on line again so I can watch the rest, if that's an appropriate analogy.
08/01/2011
Contributor: Pixel Pixel
Quote:
Originally posted by Pixel
*applauds* Well said.
Blast, sorry about the double posting!
08/01/2011
Contributor: Sir Sir
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Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
Because I don't wannnnnnnaaaaaa. It took me (Yes, I'm going there.) aaaaaages to get accepted and I don't want to have to do that whole song and dance again. No fair! Just because y'all weren't on top of your game... ... more
I completely understand that. But I think that Sammi's response to me covered that issue already?
08/01/2011
Contributor: DeliciousSurprise DeliciousSurprise
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Originally posted by Sir
Already qualified editors! YAY!
Yes, Sir, but what about nepotism? Favoritism? What about "qualified editors" that aren't so qualified?

Love,
Your Friendly Neighborhood Devil's Advocate
08/01/2011
Contributor: Sir Sir
Quote:
Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
Yes, Sir, but what about nepotism? Favoritism? What about "qualified editors" that aren't so qualified?

Love,
Your Friendly Neighborhood Devil's Advocate
Let's not get into that discussion. That's opening a whole can of worms that is truly unnecessary.
08/01/2011
Contributor: DeliciousSurprise DeliciousSurprise
Quote:
Originally posted by Sir
I completely understand that. But I think that Sammi's response to me covered that issue already?
Mm.

Yes.

But that doesn't take away my right to pontificate endlessly about how unnnnfaaaaiiiiiir I feel this is. Okay, I may (or may not) be done whining, now.
08/01/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
Because I don't wannnnnnnaaaaaa. It took me (Yes, I'm going there.) aaaaaages to get accepted and I don't want to have to do that whole song and dance again. No fair! Just because y'all weren't on top of your game... ... more
I've applied twice in 8 months and have gotten denied. I hope to make the next round of editors. I'm eager to get my hands dirty, if you will.

Based on what Sammi has said, the reapplication is to let her know that you're still interested in a rotation. Therefore, I imagine that an appropriate submission could be:

"I have edited before and would very much be interested in the next rotation."

She just wants to know who is still wanting to go another round. I don't think you have to sell yourself like you did when you applied initially.
08/01/2011
Contributor: DeliciousSurprise DeliciousSurprise
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Originally posted by Sir
Let's not get into that discussion. That's opening a whole can of worms that is truly unnecessary.
Well, I was more seeing it as kind of...

Say they take everyone out of the editing pool, and people start applying, and they accept 5 people based on that. I was more visualizing, given your idea of qualified editors, having THEM do it, from then on... But, I think, for that system to truly work, everyone would have to be thrown out, and a base group chosen who can then chose others.

Not Causing Trouble, Honest,
YFNDA
08/01/2011
Contributor: Sir Sir
Quote:
Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
Well, I was more seeing it as kind of...

Say they take everyone out of the editing pool, and people start applying, and they accept 5 people based on that. I was more visualizing, given your idea of qualified editors, having THEM do it, from ... more
You mean people who are qualified will choose based on favoritism? I do not think that that would be the case. We could do it blindly, without knowing who it is that is sending the application. They would have a number or something of the sort, and then the editors who are going over the applicants' edits will then say which numbers are the chosen editors? I do not know, I am winging this. HAH!
08/01/2011
Contributor: Sir Sir
Quote:
Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
I've applied twice in 8 months and have gotten denied. I hope to make the next round of editors. I'm eager to get my hands dirty, if you will.

Based on what Sammi has said, the reapplication is to let her know that you're still ... more
I think that it's a great opportunity. Many people who applied were not able simply due to there being a great deal of people who are editors. I'm just worried about not being able to EVER again!
08/01/2011
Contributor: JessCee JessCee
Quote:
Originally posted by Sir
It's not a test though, it's basic editing of grammar. If you look at it that way, then every review you edit will be a test, and that makes no sense whatsoever if you do not do well under pressure? Either way, I was just throwing out a ... more
I agree, Sir. I am in no way, shape, or form cut out to be an editor. I'm also sure that I'm not the only one. In my eyes, demonstrating capabilities of basic editing should be a prerequisite to becoming an editor.

Having high standards for editors is not a bad thing, it would be a very productive move for Eden, in my opinion.
08/01/2011
Contributor: Ajax Ajax
Quote:
Originally posted by Sir
I think that it's a great opportunity. Many people who applied were not able simply due to there being a great deal of people who are editors. I'm just worried about not being able to EVER again!
So maybe they take on half new editors and half old editors every round....or 3/4 new people 1/4 older editors. The older editors being people who were in *and good at their job* before rotations started. That way you guys know you WILL get back in.
08/01/2011
Contributor: DeliciousSurprise DeliciousSurprise
Quote:
Originally posted by Sir
You mean people who are qualified will choose based on favoritism? I do not think that that would be the case. We could do it blindly, without knowing who it is that is sending the application. They would have a number or something of the sort, and ... more
I like the idea of blind editing.

Not just for the editor application, but in general.

Of course, that would make it very tricksy for us to weed out spam reviews. Hmmm...
08/01/2011
Contributor: Sir Sir
Quote:
Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
I like the idea of blind editing.

Not just for the editor application, but in general.

Of course, that would make it very tricksy for us to weed out spam reviews. Hmmm...
I do not find blind editing to be necessary. We are evaluated as editors. If we change too much or change too little, then we are not doing our job, and that's fully on us. I fail to see how not knowing who the person is that wrote the review will make a difference? It shouldn't, logistically speaking. Also, for the reason you stated, that would be difficult.
08/01/2011
Contributor: Sammi Sammi
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
As someone who is very interested in editing, may I suggest a test for all potential editors? Some people think they are naturally good at grammar; but alas, this is not always the case.
That's a good suggestion, and one we'll take a look at
08/01/2011
Contributor: Sammi Sammi
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Originally posted by cherryredhead88
So will it be as hard getting in for every rotation, or will this kind of be like the descriptive review program? I think it is a great idea in terms of being fair and giving every one a chance, I am just scared it will be tough to get back into. It ... more
The rotation system is something we're manually implementing right now while we work on more functionality with the program. So, I don't have any specific information, but it's being worked on and we'll keep everyone updated as things change.
08/02/2011
Contributor: Elaira Elaira
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Originally posted by Sammi
The rotation system is something we're manually implementing right now while we work on more functionality with the program. So, I don't have any specific information, but it's being worked on and we'll keep everyone updated as things change.
I've done everything possible on this site except for editing, so it's the last thing to check off of my list. I hope I get thrown into the next rotation, soon.
08/02/2011
Contributor: Ms. Spice Ms. Spice
i think this is great because i've been dying to become an editor but i think we've had too many editors at once. it's awesome that we'll have more participants on the editing program now
08/02/2011
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
I don't mean to sound bitchy, but there are some contributors who have applied several times over six month period only to be told "no, there are too many editors." Personally, I've applied twice. I like this idea because it gives ... more
Amen, sister. Right there with you. I applied when I first joined EF and have yet to get a crack at it. Can't wait till this opens up. When will it take effect?

08/02/2011
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
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Originally posted by Sir
Sometimes, to be fully honest, I worry about voting on the review itself because I do not want the person to downvote me. I apologize, but I've had bad experiences with that in the past, so I'm constantly worried about voting on people's reviews.
This, too! I sometimes don't vote reviews as bad as they SHOULD be (because honestly, some are really bad, and some editing jobs are really 'poor.'
It would be nice if that aspect of the voting was anonymous.

Really!

08/02/2011