Everything before Holding Hands is a no go zone for me. I am somewhat of a jealous partner though. I really don't like flirting either but don't consider ti cheating.
What things do you consider as cheating?
12/01/2010
I'm also in the emotional camp too. I mean they could have never met the person but if they're on the phone or texting constantly and saying "I love you", then I consider that cheating.
12/01/2010
Honestly, I would consider every little thing cheating. Flirting is the only thing that MAY be a gray area, only because what one person can consider flirting, someone else may just mean an honest compliment, such as "I really like your hair" or something. I like to know that I am the only person that he wants to be with, and if he decides he likes some other woman, that he would at least have the decency to tell me first.
I don't feel jealous over him being friends with another woman or anything, but if another woman looks like she is trying to make a move on him, I will tell her exactly what's on my mind. We decided a month or so ago to give a dance class a try, which turned out awful. The woman who was supposed to be teaching ended up spending the whole time dancing JUST with my boyfriend. There was 5 or 6 other people there, most of whom she did not dance with even once. My boyfriend said she made him pretty uncomfortable, so we just ended up not going back. This other woman there seemed to notice it as well, cause she grabbed my arm when I stepped forward from the instructor taking my boyfriend again. I'm pretty sure I had fire in my eyes.
I don't feel jealous over him being friends with another woman or anything, but if another woman looks like she is trying to make a move on him, I will tell her exactly what's on my mind. We decided a month or so ago to give a dance class a try, which turned out awful. The woman who was supposed to be teaching ended up spending the whole time dancing JUST with my boyfriend. There was 5 or 6 other people there, most of whom she did not dance with even once. My boyfriend said she made him pretty uncomfortable, so we just ended up not going back. This other woman there seemed to notice it as well, cause she grabbed my arm when I stepped forward from the instructor taking my boyfriend again. I'm pretty sure I had fire in my eyes.
12/01/2010
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Even in our non-open relationship, anything that we wouldn't talk about with each other is, in the very least, lying or cheating.
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Airen Wolf
In an open relationship what constitutes cheating is fairly simple: Anything that you can't or won't come home and talk to your partners about openly. So that can be virtually all of the things you mentioned. If it is not something you will
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In an open relationship what constitutes cheating is fairly simple: Anything that you can't or won't come home and talk to your partners about openly. So that can be virtually all of the things you mentioned. If it is not something you will discuss with your partner then, for us, you cheated or are planning to cheat. This is the litmus test all three of us use to decide whether what we are planning or wanting to do is going to cause harm to our trust relationship. So far, knock wood, we haven't had to be more specific and we generally talk about whatever we think might be fun or exciting BEFORE we rush out and do it. This is the only way we can act as a sort of check and balance for each other. Our motto, even with our kids, is: If we don't know what is going on we can't help you if you get in trouble. This is our biggest concern to be honest, we've cheated or been cheated on enough to know that we can overcome this...but an accusation from a fourth party of impropriety or, Gods forbid, a health issue is another story!
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I went to a bachelorette party. I danced with guys and one of the party "dares" on the dice was to kiss another woman and I did. All of this was discussed with My Mister as soon as I got home so he knew the context was completely innocent. We have a "full-disclosure" policy. We've even said that if the situation ever occurs for a fantasy to become reality, to please talk about it beforehand. Then we can discuss whether or not it is within the parameters of our comfort level.
12/01/2010
Establishing an emotional connection or physical connection is cheating in our relationship. This is one of those oft talked about but never truly defined topics because it can vary from couple to couple. Especially now that it's "cool" to be poly or have an open relationship, just like when I was in high school and it was "cool" to be bisexual.
Suffice it to say, I HAVE to be there. No kissing. Ever.
Suffice it to say, I HAVE to be there. No kissing. Ever.
12/01/2010
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And that is the other thing... both My Mister and I are super jealous people. So even if the opportunity to fulfill a fantasy came up, it probably would never happen for the simple fact that it would probably be outside our comfort levels.
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Hannah Savage
I just say that if you're not willing to walk up to your partner and say, "Today I _______ with _________" then you probably shouldn't be doing it. Yes, I am a very jealous person, although I wish I wasn't, so even the smallest
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I just say that if you're not willing to walk up to your partner and say, "Today I _______ with _________" then you probably shouldn't be doing it. Yes, I am a very jealous person, although I wish I wasn't, so even the smallest things like flirting or holding hands would really upset me.
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It would go a little something like this:
If we fulfilled the fantasy in front of our partner, then it may not fall into line with how we wanted it to take place. If we didn't include one or the other, it would make the left out party jealous. Therefore, we both would end up refraining because it wouldn't actually fulfill the fantasy and we don't want to hurt one another.
12/01/2010
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Same here, I voted based on myself, not what I think is cheating for other people and their relationships. If someone has an open relationship then they wouldn't consider cheating the same way I consider it. And my "other" vote was for emotional cheating as well.
Originally posted by
Darling Jen
It definitely depends on the people and the particular relationship but I consider all of the above cheating merely based on my own. Also any emotional affair is also cheating.
12/01/2010
I voted what I would consider cheating, but I totally agree that any of the above, as well as emotional affairs, can be very damaging if your partner(s) aren't okay with it.
12/01/2010
Hell, if they so much as consider cheating or seriously think about another person sexually that is not someone like a celebrity or someone they'll never meet, I consider that cheating in the mind. (This would be if there is no agreement to an open relationship).
If they lean on someone emotionally and it becomes extremely intimate, I'd consider it cheating in the heart. I'm all for going to other people for advice or an ear to listen, but it can go too far. I've never experienced it personally, but I've seen it happen and that alone can get messy because of a lack of trust and commitment. Functional, long term relationships REQUIRE COMMUNICATION!!
If they lean on someone emotionally and it becomes extremely intimate, I'd consider it cheating in the heart. I'm all for going to other people for advice or an ear to listen, but it can go too far. I've never experienced it personally, but I've seen it happen and that alone can get messy because of a lack of trust and commitment. Functional, long term relationships REQUIRE COMMUNICATION!!
12/02/2010
For me most things are cheating; as I am not in an open relationship. If I were (and with the right person I think that'd be awesome) then it would be totally different. However, we're both quite territorial of each other so nothing like that is going to happen, and we've discussed most of it.
My rule is; if you feel the need to hide it, or have lied about it, or would lie about it or want to or feel the need to lie about or hide it...et al. then it's wrong.
My rule is; if you feel the need to hide it, or have lied about it, or would lie about it or want to or feel the need to lie about or hide it...et al. then it's wrong.
12/02/2010
Everything there except mild flirting. I do believe in emotional cheating, though. If my partner needs to look to someone else to be close to or intimate with, we have a problem.
01/04/2011
I think it all depends on how secretive it is. Someone said in another thread that if someone is hiding something, then it's cheating, and that's basically what I think. Recently, my girlfriend kissed one of our mutual guy friends in front of me, as a complete joke. I was there and was aware it was going to happen before it did, so I don't consider that cheating. If they did the same thing without my knowing about it and I found out about it later, I would have considered it cheating.
01/05/2011
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I agree as well!
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El-Jaro
I've stuck with "If you wouldn't do it in front of your partner, it's cheating (unless there's permission)". Forgiveness is better than holding a grudge in most cases.
01/10/2011
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^ THIS. and i see alot of people agree with you.
Originally posted by
El-Jaro
I've stuck with "If you wouldn't do it in front of your partner, it's cheating (unless there's permission)". Forgiveness is better than holding a grudge in most cases.
01/12/2011
I voted, but also Cyber type sex I would also consider cheating.
03/18/2011
My views on this have changed over the years. I agree, that cheating is definitely emotional and not just physical. So I don't even want my man to flirt with anyone else. I think this is such an important thing to talk about in a relationship, because everyone feels differently on the subject, and I have felt differently about it too in each relationship I've had. My man and I do have different standards in this department (and he even admits to having somewhat of a double standard, which is true lol) and so part of being in a relationship is trying to behave in a way that shows your partner you love them, care about their feelings and that they can trust you.
03/18/2011
I've read a lot of studies suggesting that women tend to be more bothered by "emotional infidelity," while men tend to be a lot more bothered by physical acts of infidelity. I think it really boils down to what you're willing to tolerate from your partner, and what code of conduct you're willing to adhere to. If I couldn't flirt, I'd pretty much never talk, so if my woman couldn't handle it, I wouldn't be able to handle her.
03/18/2011
Most if not all of that i consider cheating
03/18/2011
everything but flirting i voted for, but it also depends on what kind of flirting. if you use a sexual situation while talking and "hinting" about sex, that's definitely cheating. i also voted for other because emotional cheating to me is cheating. it is really hurtful as well to have your significant other talking to someone about everything including your relationship.
03/23/2011
We have a no mucus membrane contact policy and only touching boobies at the strip club.
03/23/2011
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But friends do that too. People need an outlet to express concerns. I can understand if there's a romantic undercurrent, but as for simply talking about the relationship, friends are important to have.
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beautiful
everything but flirting i voted for, but it also depends on what kind of flirting. if you use a sexual situation while talking and "hinting" about sex, that's definitely cheating. i also voted for other because emotional cheating to me
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everything but flirting i voted for, but it also depends on what kind of flirting. if you use a sexual situation while talking and "hinting" about sex, that's definitely cheating. i also voted for other because emotional cheating to me is cheating. it is really hurtful as well to have your significant other talking to someone about everything including your relationship.
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I have several close friends that I talk to when things are tough. If I didn't, I don't know if my marriage would have survived.
03/23/2011
AngelicaU
I think dating another person is cheating. It doesn't matter if they didn't have sex, didn't kiss didn't do anything. If they're going on dates with another person, that's cheating to me. Also, sexting/phone sex stuff like that.. no way. That's cheating to me because it's telling them you want to do those things and if you were there, you probably would be.
03/23/2011
what i would consider cheating is sex behind my back. If I give permission or get permission ahead of time then it's not cheating because your not hiding it.
03/23/2011
The only one I wouldn't consider cheating is the flirting.... but it also totally depends on the situation and what is being said/done
03/24/2011
I consider all of that Cheating other then flirting. I know that some people flirt without even realizing it.
03/26/2011
I voted "flirting" but I meant an attempt to gain romantic attention from another. I mean, I flirt with my friends, in front of my girlfriend, for example, "Hey, sexy, I didn't see yo' fine ass in class today!" "Hi, hottie! Yeah, I overslept." but I have no intention of pursuing a romantic relationship with them. I also touch my friends' boobs and kiss them on the cheeks, but it's clear that we have no romantic interest. It's all about intention.
03/27/2011
I voted for everything except flirting, though in some more extreme cases I think it could be considered cheating as well.
03/27/2011
Flirting isn't cheating. Everything else, if done without permission, is.
03/30/2011
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removedacnt
Personally, anything beyond some innocent flirting is not acceptable.
03/31/2011
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This, this, this; a thousand times this!
Originally posted by
joja
What does and does not constitute cheating depends solely on the boundaries set in your individual relationship. For some, just a glance is enough to get upset. For others, it's okay to date/sleep with other people, as long as your current S.O.
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What does and does not constitute cheating depends solely on the boundaries set in your individual relationship. For some, just a glance is enough to get upset. For others, it's okay to date/sleep with other people, as long as your current S.O. remains your primary partner. Some swingers are okay with sex, but not kissing.
I think the idea applies to more than just open/poly relationships. I've had boyfriends who were fine with me dancing/grinding with other dudes, and boyfriends who didn't even want me giving other guys massages (which are completely innocent, I just happen to like giving them). less
I think the idea applies to more than just open/poly relationships. I've had boyfriends who were fine with me dancing/grinding with other dudes, and boyfriends who didn't even want me giving other guys massages (which are completely innocent, I just happen to like giving them). less
"Cheating" is whatever violates the boundaries previously set by all people in the relationship. That's how I see it anyway - what I'm okay with just depends on the type of relationship I have with the person. I guess it's natural to be a bit more "possessive" in one relationship than you were in another one or whatever.
03/31/2011