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Contributor: Emma (Girl With Fire) Emma (Girl With Fire)
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Originally posted by Sapphire Pet
Ohhh Emma... you just gotta come to Tennessee sweetie! I got more curves than I can handle on my own and I'll have to look up this "modesty" word... not sure what that means!
Well if'n I ever get my passport hun, you are on!
02/01/2012
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
I agree. I am in LOVE with the photography. I'm totally jealous as well, because I can never find willing models... people are more modest than they would have you believe!
i really loved how she took folks who were not mainstream boring old cookie-cutters, and showed them to us in a deliciously extravagant light. and sometimes so simple it was just edible. some of those gals there i wouldn't think twice of passing them on the street, but in the light she painted them, i thought again. there's beauty in everyone, is what those photos said to me.
02/01/2012
Contributor: Research Research
I agree about your skill as a photographer, when I wrote my review I meant to break down the video section but I was so impressed by the photos that I ended up writing almost entirely about the photography instead.

I teach photography for a company here in the Bay Area (outdoor photography I admit, but the fundamentals are the same) and going through your photos reads like an Art Photography basics textbook. Your photos do all the right things and do them so well that they work in a complete set or as standalone pieces of art. I am thankful for the opportunity to have seen so much quality photography in such a short time. Thank you
02/01/2012
Contributor: Courtney Trouble Courtney Trouble
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Originally posted by wrmbreze
More like they have had work done or they have super skinny women that are hard to relate to for someone who is a size 14. Also, real as in everyone seemed to really enjoy the experience without overdoing it for the camera. Or at least that is my ... more
it is an interestin gpoint of view although i have to say, as a fat person, that i think that thin, and surgically-altered people, are still "real" - especially if you can put them in sexual situations where they can be themselves. the point is to see beyond size and see a greater spectrum of kink, sexuality, gender 0- that goes beyond the classifications given in MOST sources of media!
02/01/2012
Contributor: Tuesday Tuesday
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Originally posted by Willow Wand
More authentic. "Mainstream" porn tends to fake orgasms, and moan just because they think it sounds good. It doesn't sound good, it sounds fake.
Yes. There was no faking and that was tremendously refreshing.
02/01/2012
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
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Originally posted by Kindred
I think Indie porn is how I would best classify it. Live Sex Show covered so many different classifications, but ultimately I felt that all had that artistic, Indie aspect to them.
indie-porn, love that term! kindred you always have the little brain wheels churning. love it.
02/01/2012
Contributor: Kitty Stryker Kitty Stryker
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Originally posted by Kindred
I think Indie porn is how I would best classify it. Live Sex Show covered so many different classifications, but ultimately I felt that all had that artistic, Indie aspect to them.
Indie porn is a good one. Alt, too.

"Real" often has to do with real bodies, which often means a diversity of bodies. I kind of hate that, since my girlfriend has enhanced breasts, and they're real, too! But that's usually what people mean. Also, real couples, and/or realistic orgasms.
02/01/2012
Contributor: Sapphire Pet Sapphire Pet
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Originally posted by Courtney Trouble
so, does this group consider the people in "mainstream" porn to not be "Real" and that my work is some how a signifier? or by real do you mean more authentic of people's desires?
Both!!! The majority of porn has little skinny girls with fake boobs (not that I'm knocking that 'cause I watch that too... happily!) But yours has "models" that are true to themselves... they are proud of what they are and who they are. They don't fake and have you looking for the "eye roll of boredom" half way through. They are proud of the ink, the piercings, the choices and aren't going to apologize. They take all of this and make wonderful scenes with real passion! I can't speak for everyone but this is what I want to see! I don't want to watch 2 girls "pretend" to fool around because it turns guys on... I wanna see 2 people fool around because it turns THEM on!
02/01/2012
Contributor: Courtney Trouble Courtney Trouble
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Originally posted by bzzingbee
I'd say that mainstream porn has too many 'barbie' type ladies who moan constantly while the guy just kinda follows the routine they know or that the director outlined for them (oral, missionary, doggy-style, girl on top & reverse and ... more
that's awesome. i'm really glad that more people are seeing gender as a spectrum instead of two automatic, permenant, things.
02/01/2012
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
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Originally posted by wrmbreze
More like they have had work done or they have super skinny women that are hard to relate to for someone who is a size 14. Also, real as in everyone seemed to really enjoy the experience without overdoing it for the camera. Or at least that is my ... more
not only real, but god who else gets fucking sick of seeing the same barbie, long-haired big titted, tiny waisted gal getting fucked by some ken doll with a huge cock?


i sure do.
02/01/2012
Contributor: Destri Destri
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Originally posted by Courtney Trouble
it is an interestin gpoint of view although i have to say, as a fat person, that i think that thin, and surgically-altered people, are still "real" - especially if you can put them in sexual situations where they can be themselves. the ... more
agreed about thin, altered people being real, but the porn scenes aren't. Mainstream porn is the same scene. over and over again. and none of the women actually seem as if they are really orgasm-ing.
02/01/2012
Contributor: wrmbreze wrmbreze
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Originally posted by Courtney Trouble
it is an interestin gpoint of view although i have to say, as a fat person, that i think that thin, and surgically-altered people, are still "real" - especially if you can put them in sexual situations where they can be themselves. the ... more
But thats what I mean, they get work done to make a buck.. Also agree with the others, fake moaning and fake orgasms are not a turn on. Its like they put men/women in some of the porn that they think will appeal without actually thinking about what truly appeals to most.
02/01/2012
Contributor: M121212 M121212
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Originally posted by Courtney Trouble
Thanks so much for inviting me Emma. This kind of feedback from a mixed audience makes me really happy. I have been thinking a LOT about how to market my porn to "the masses" - so let's say you awesome ladies are the masses, how would ... more
I'm always drawn to that more artistic shooting style. So many porn DVDs you see it's just bodies and photoshop all up on the cover. But it's that erotic nicely designed imagery that ropes me in, as well as queer and BBW styles. Images of ladies with attitude where it's clear that they're fully handling their own sexuality.
02/01/2012
Contributor: Courtney Trouble Courtney Trouble
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Originally posted by Research
I agree about your skill as a photographer, when I wrote my review I meant to break down the video section but I was so impressed by the photos that I ended up writing almost entirely about the photography instead.

I teach photography for a ... more
oh my gosh, well THANK YOU!!!!! i am first and foremost a photographer and as porn goes more and more hardcore and more and more streaming video, the permanent and beauty of a photograph jsut steals my heart every time.
02/01/2012
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
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Originally posted by Courtney Trouble
so, does this group consider the people in "mainstream" porn to not be "Real" and that my work is some how a signifier? or by real do you mean more authentic of people's desires?
for me porn is not reality because that kind of sex is not so realistic, also the folks in them are acting for the most part, and alot of times their bodies are fake in one way or another.

and folks' desires are much more broad than the vanilla hetero shit that has characterized the porn industry for far too long. so i'd say real in both senses of the word. in many senses, really!
02/01/2012
Contributor: Midway through Midway through
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Originally posted by aliceinthehole
not only real, but god who else gets fucking sick of seeing the same barbie, long-haired big titted, tiny waisted gal getting fucked by some ken doll with a huge cock?


i sure do.
this. OMG this.
02/01/2012
Contributor: Mr. & Mrs. Peg Mr. & Mrs. Peg
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Originally posted by Courtney Trouble
so, does this group consider the people in "mainstream" porn to not be "Real" and that my work is some how a signifier? or by real do you mean more authentic of people's desires?
I think the scenes are real in that the performers (not actors in my view) are really working on bring pleasure to one another.....and we just get to be in the room with them.
02/01/2012
Contributor: Willow Wand Willow Wand
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Originally posted by aliceinthehole
not only real, but god who else gets fucking sick of seeing the same barbie, long-haired big titted, tiny waisted gal getting fucked by some ken doll with a huge cock?


i sure do.
Yep, you've seen 1 porn, you've seen them all, which is why I never buy porn. But THIS has changed EVERYTHING for the better!
02/01/2012
Contributor: Kitty Stryker Kitty Stryker
Ok, I'm off, but it was nice to chat briefly! See you around Courtney, I expect! x
02/01/2012
Contributor: Heartthrob Heartthrob
Sorry I'm late. My car was vandalized and I busy making a police report and checking the car out. I'll be in and out tonight.
02/01/2012
Contributor: tim1724 tim1724
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
We were absolutely THRILLED to be able to work with you Courtney! It is easy to find large very mainstream companies to work with, but our community is so diverse the mainstream porn just doesn't suit many of our tastes! Even if it did, it is a ... more
I'm so glad you were able to get us some non-mainstream porn this time. It's so nice to have some more realistic stuff, with more variety.
02/01/2012
Contributor: Courtney Trouble Courtney Trouble
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Originally posted by Kitty Stryker
Ok, I'm off, but it was nice to chat briefly! See you around Courtney, I expect! x
Bye sweetheart!!
02/01/2012
Contributor: Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by Courtney Trouble
it is an interestin gpoint of view although i have to say, as a fat person, that i think that thin, and surgically-altered people, are still "real" - especially if you can put them in sexual situations where they can be themselves. the ... more
I think it's more the fact that mainstream porn industry wants us to believe that the Barbie body is what porn is about. Rather, I think more of us think that porn is more about the chemistry, the passion, regardless of body type. We just associate the two when that's probably not fair to individuals who really do have that body type.
02/01/2012
Contributor: M121212 M121212
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
My Suggestion to you, is to market it to different shops as different genres. I imagine that you will quickly discover which section you find your customer base in
Ooh one more thing, I'm a huge fan of Bust magazine and I think that a bunch of the ladies who read that would be into your work. They run a sex advise column by Carol Queen and always have erotica and a few porn adverts in the back.
02/01/2012
Contributor: Emma (Girl With Fire) Emma (Girl With Fire)
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Originally posted by Destri
Mainstream porn is soooo NOT real! I think people mean that your stuff features people that look like people one would see around in real life, and that the sex is real, as opposed to fake moans and fake orgasms that only feature the face shot at ... more
I don't know that that is entirely true. I'm sure that there is some mainstream porn, that aside from the stress of being directed, and the technical aspects of it "looking good" are having honest enjoyable experiences, and truly want to be there. Granted, this is likely not the norm, but I have a hard time believing that it is NEVER the case
02/01/2012
Contributor: Heartthrob Heartthrob
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Originally posted by Destri
Mainstream porn is soooo NOT real! I think people mean that your stuff features people that look like people one would see around in real life, and that the sex is real, as opposed to fake moans and fake orgasms that only feature the face shot at ... more
I agree. I really love seeing the difference between unscripted sex and scripted sex. The orgasms were stronger and the passion was really there. I would love to see more porn movies like this.
02/01/2012
Contributor: Destri Destri
Take, for instance, Buck Angel. I love him (but I hate his movies, because they are so poorly done) because of his gender-bent body and pride. My idea of heaven would be him in one of your movies, because you have what it takes to make an awesome movie I would actually want to see.

I have known all my adult life that there are a myriad of genders... and eventually, that the world would come to realize that face.
02/01/2012
Contributor: Courtney Trouble Courtney Trouble
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Originally posted by M121212
Ooh one more thing, I'm a huge fan of Bust magazine and I think that a bunch of the ladies who read that would be into your work. They run a sex advise column by Carol Queen and always have erotica and a few porn adverts in the back.
I love that magazine as well. I have some contacts there. What would be GREAT is if all of you can call your favorite magazines, porn stores, et cetera and say "GET COURTNEY TROUBLE" because customer requests is what gets me in places.
02/01/2012
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
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Originally posted by Heartthrob
Sorry I'm late. My car was vandalized and I busy making a police report and checking the car out. I'll be in and out tonight.
oh dude i'm sorry! hope you get that straightened out okay.

02/01/2012
Contributor: Midway through Midway through
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Originally posted by Heartthrob
Sorry I'm late. My car was vandalized and I busy making a police report and checking the car out. I'll be in and out tonight.
Oh no! I'm so sorry that's awful! Best of luck with the police report and everything. I hope it all works out!
02/01/2012