I actually wrote a review of the wipes recently because I didn't see any other reviews with detailed information on the ingredients (particularly with respect to the skall possibility for potential allergic reactions to some of the components). I knew that information is something I'd have wanted before using the wipes myself, existing reviews didn't seem to have that information, and I went and did a significant amount of technical outside research to provide useful new information to potential shoppers.

That's not to say that there aren't plenty of abusive reviews on the types of products you mentioned, but it's not as clear cut as "all reviews of wipes and free gifts are spam/farming."

Also, regarding the the "500 points or more" thing: what's the relevant timeframe? 500 points since a user first joined? In that case, longtime members will have certainly accumulated 500 points via forum responses, etc. Or would it just be 500 points out of the points the user has right now? less

"A quality account with minor temptations and blatant abuse" - what does this even mean, Fred? When someone uses the point system as you have laid it out to them by submitting two QUALITY reviews per day, or several SexIs articles per day up to the limit, how is that abuse. I don't see it. What I see is you trying to make excuses not to give people what they are owed. less

Well Fred, I don't know what "proposal to the community" means in Russia, but usually it means "taking input and considering what the people have to say"

It usually doesn't mean "this is an ultimatum, take it or leave it"

I also don't understand why you are asking for opinions if it is indeed an ultimatum like you're saying.
"If the majority will think it is unfair deal - there won't be a deal."
What is the point of even asking us what we think here if you don't value our opinions? less

Then who came up with the idea of awarding 2000 points per review, twice a day for a week? If that's not offering a point motivation, I don't know what is. What if Ford said "You can buy a brand new car this week for $200" then blamed everyone who bought a $200 car for abusing their offer? People did what you encouraged & allowed them to do. That's not their fault - it's what kept people here!

Your own system has encouraged 'point farming'. I'm not complaining, but you give 2500 points just for having a birthday! Another 2500 for best review of the week in the Rumble (I've won it several times, but I already got 50 points for writing the review in the first place!). Want to write a review about anything at all? Fine, here's $10 (now $5) Who made that happen? People were writing reviews for 50 points and YOU increased that 20x then 40x and want to punish people for taking advantage of that?

It's entirely obvious that 95% of people who wrote 3 paragraph review on wipes, totes, disposable cock rings, batteries, etc were just racking up points, but the system allowed & encouraged that. I think giving 2 x 2000 points per day for reviews on ANYTHING, no matter how long/short/good/bad was a far worse idea than punishing people who do enough actions to reach a daily limit - limits that your own system lists right there on the dashboard for all to see and work towards.

It wouldn't have been that hard to have a system that only allowed reviews on items valued at $20+ (for example). Nor would it have been hard to have points only awarded for posting in certain areas. Don't like the "Count to 5000" posts? Keep them open but don't give points for them then. As already mentioned, people will still play games because of the camaraderie. You could have just given points for discussions and posts made within certain sections.

And as for high numbers of reviews by individuals - correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there Milestone awards for people who post reviews in high numbers? Doesn't that suggest that large numbers of reviews have been encouraged by you?

EF has been very good to me and to others. We've had things we'd only have dreamt of, but in return people like us try to give back. That could be by reviewing those products when we didn't have to, volunteering to edit (yes, there are points there, but I'd also volunteered to do extra editing for free), or by bringing paying customers in (I've personally brought in more than 10 new paying, repeat customers in the last 12 months). I also attend parties where I give your 'freebies' back out - unused - as gifts. You can't account for advertising like that and looking at somebody's account isn't going to show you those things, even if they are reaching their point limit each day. less

I agree with all these points.

If you don't want these things to happen, why did you allow them? There's a difference in using features you are given and abusing them.

Point farming is not "liking" when you tell us to like.
Point farming is not writing a reviews on something (even we got for free) after it's set us for us to make a review.
Point farming is not commenting the number of times you tell us we can get points for commenting.

Point farming SHOULD be what you say it is in the terms and conditions and that should be all. You can't set up actions without certain rules up and then say "Well you can't get your points now because you did all these actions I set up for you!!!!!"

My point- Stop being a hypocrite and give us the points we earned.

Point farming in the rules state as- "Point farming is a serious offense on Edenfantasys. Performing actions just to earn points can and/or will cause your point-earning ability to be suspended. This is up to the discretion of the administrators of Edenfantasys. To find out more about point farming and how to avoid it, please read the Expectations of Conduct and the Best Practices: Basic Community Standards documents to become familiar with how our forum activities work. Gross violations of our Terms of Service and Expectations of Conduct can result in permanent removal from the points program."

EOC-

"1. Repeated following and un-following of manufacturers and contributors.

2. Posting emoticons as comments or forum posts.

3. Numerous threads and posts being created that offer nothing of value to the forums. While we do encourage questions about products being asked on the forums, we ask that the questions first be researched on the website for an answer and then asked via the forums if a satisfactory answer was not found.

4. Uploading several videos to EdenTube that are irrelevant to EdenFantasys.

5. Posting multiple forum threads sequentially. It’s one thing to have a question; it’s another to post the same question five different ways on different threads."


PLEASE abide by your own rules when enforcing them. less

I don't believe that this is fair. My account was suspended a few months ago and I felt that it was an inappropriate decision but didn't speak up for fear of getting banned. If you're not willing to look at what a person truly contributes, than what's the point of looking into any of it?

I can only speak for myself, but I have spent hours of my time contributing quality reviews, writing articles, mentoring students, giving feedback, helping people around the forums, etc. And if you're only going to look at the fact that people stopped certain actions once they hit the daily limit, that's just sad because so many of us did SO MUCH MORE than that every day.

I would also like to question what you mean by nonsensical reviews. If you didn't want people to write reviews on certain items, you shouldn't have had it as an option.

I have written many reviews over shorter periods of time, and have included my own photos in each of those reviews. These are products I received from Eden, how else is someone supposed to prove that? I guess I have proof with the order recipes, but nothing beyond that.

I think it's great that you're 'considering' looking into individual accounts, but I don't think that these standards are fair and will work out well.

Every product I own, have written reviews on, or have yet to write reviews about, are to share my opinion, experience, and feelings on a product. Just for points? If I was doing that, I wouldn't have invested so much time in every review I've published - I would have pushed out the bare minimum instead of being so thorough, and including so many helpful photos. less