When You Feel You Are Down Voted...

Contributor: VieuxCarre VieuxCarre
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
I usually think (for myself) that "somewhat useful" and below is a down vote. I count "extremely useful" and "useful" both as high votes.
Yeah, same here. I'm happy when I get above somewhat useful
01/06/2011
Contributor: Owl Identified Owl Identified
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Originally posted by VieuxCarre
Yeah, same here. I'm happy when I get above somewhat useful
I guess I kind of think of the rating system like this:

extremely useful: A
useful: B
somewhat useful: C
worth reading, but not useful: D
not useful at all: F

And I never liked getting below a B very much
01/07/2011
Contributor: Sir Sir
Depends. I'll usually ignore it, but I sometimes do message the person asking what they felt I could have improved on or what I missed. Usually though, I do not give a damn. I know that my reviews are as helpful as I can make them.
01/07/2011
Contributor: Darling Jen Darling Jen
I felt I was downvoted once and got pretty hurt about it. So I looked up the contributor that voted me two steps under what everyone else did and noticed they were doing the same thing to two other reviewers, both with even higher ranking than I so I felt they definitely didn't deserve that low vote. But I could only find those examples so I felt I didn't have enough evidence to report it and maybe they were just in a crappy, cranky mood that day. But it did make me feel better to know that it was them and not my review. So I got over it and concentrated on the positive wonderful comments I got instead.
01/07/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Uh...

That wouldn't work. All someone would have to do is create another account - or log in with their boyfriend's - and they'd see all the votes, after which they could run around down-voting merrily whilst claiming they ... more
How did I know you would say that? LOL. Yes, that is true. But it is true of every limit of Eden. SOME people create fake accounts etc. to get around things. If someone cared that much to retaliate and make a second account to do that, yes, it would sad, but I don't think many would. Just like there are not many who abuse the EP system or other gracious EF gifts.

I said it would cut down on it, not illuminate it. THAT is of course impossible.

LOL it was a long one.
01/07/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Angel deSanguine
I had this happen to one of my reviews the other day actually! It was one that I had posted a follow-up review on. I messaged the person and very politely asked why they voted how they did- basically what did I leave out/ could have worded better so ... more
I am going to try to leave more comments on the ones I vote less than ext. useful so there is no confusion. I'm sorry that happened to you! I have had people answer and not, but they (by eden rules) are not required to answer. I do appreciate it when they do though. But if they don't, I leave it be.
01/07/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by LicentiouslyYours
You don't even have to log into another account. Voting results are public, without having to be logged in.

Regardless, I do believe, Lauren, that you were one of the people who called for voting to be public so people could be held ... more
I thought of that too Laurel. That could be changed too. But still, if it were possible to do even without that, I think it still would cut down. I wasn't proposing we do this. It was just a wish, a though, and ramble.

Yup! You are right. I was. But no, I don't believe it would defeat the purpose because staff can see it all. Other members can too. It still holds accountability. Not every idea idea is perfect. it was just a thought.
01/07/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Tuesday
If anyone received a lower vote than you hoped from me, its likely because there wasn't enough discussion of how the toy worked for you in actual use. Seems like I've read quite a number of reviews lately that completely or almost completely ... more
I agree. That is critical. I vote that way when that occurs too.
01/07/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by LicentiouslyYours
Yeah, I don't consider the individual low vote to be down voting... if I find a review lacking something I wanted to know, I will vote it lower because..I find it less useful to me personally.

To me, down voting involves a more systematic, ... more
I don't either. PLUS a useful vote is great! I know we had a discussion about this awhile ago.

Some people have different standards than others. I have noticed one or two people in particular that seem to vote one or two below EVERYONE else, seemingly on purpose. It baffles me because they never comment. THIS I consider down-rating without question.
01/07/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by VieuxCarre
What makes me mad about the down voting is that the people who have down voted me as of late have been people who have not contributed one thing to Eden. No reviews, no forum posts, no nothing. It kind of irks me that they're allowed to just ... more
That irks me too. I have always not liked that, BUT I see why it can be useful.
01/07/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by LicentiouslyYours
Voting isn't a privilege you earn by being involved. Voting is a tool to assess how informative a review was found to be by anybody who might be shopping for a toy.

You don't have to be a reviewer to be qualified to have an opinion on ... more
Yea, this is why I understand it even though it has frustrated me at times.
01/07/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Naughty Student
Maybe they don't understand how the system works...just a an alternative explanation

I haven't really noticed it on my reviews. I did notice it in the past but now I don't really mind. If someone is downvoting me, they're prob ... more
Yes, this may be true. Some people vote based on if they would use the product. I know a few people who were simply confused.
01/07/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by VieuxCarre
Being voted "useful" isn't really down voting. Being voted "worth reading, but not useful" and "not useful at all" would be considered down voting. There is a fine line between extremely useful and useful. Useful ... more
AMEN! I don't even twitch at seeing useful votes. To me useful is an A and ext. useful is like extra credit lol. I still strive for the A+ though.
01/07/2011
Contributor: Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
I don't either. PLUS a useful vote is great! I know we had a discussion about this awhile ago.

Some people have different standards than others. I have noticed one or two people in particular that seem to vote one or two below EVERYONE ... more
I would have to disagree that someone voting consistently lower than others should be considered as down-rating. Personally, the majority of reviews I consider as Useful. I reserve Extremely Useful for those reviews that I feel go above and beyond what I would expect. Regardless of how a person votes, as long as they are consistent among all reviews, I would not consider that to be down-rating. If you disagree, then I would have to say that I'm guilty of down-rating.

I also don't understand why people are still so concerned about votes. The majority of the community votes fairly and an occasional low vote will have no impact on your overall rating as long as you continue to be an active reviewer.
01/07/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
I think there is a huge difference between what I consider "downvoting" (really, giving someone a poor vote due to personal issues that have virtually nothing to do with the review itself) and being voting honestly when a review simply wasn't of "extremely useful" or even "useful" caliber. Every review isn't going to get all "EU" or "U" votes, that just the way it is.

"Somewhat Useful" is a "C." Which means "average." I think, especially, when one is starting out, that isn't really a problem. When someone is learning a new skill, getting Cs is......well, average. I do really like when I see a new reviewer write a really great review. It shows me they put in the time, tested the toy completely, thought of alternative uses or at least alternative ways to solve problems with it, and put effort into the writing of the review.

I usually start reading a review assuming it is "helpful." Then I move my view up or down, based on the details, how accurate the data was, how imaginative the reviewer was, how much effort I felt was put into the review and yeah, syntax and grammar and spelling have about a 5% impact or more on how I vote. Text speak will usually cause me to not even want to finish reading the review, but I always do anyway.

I sometimes feel put on the spot when someone PMs me about a vote they felt wasn't "fair." Sometimes a review just was "average" (meaning a "C") or slightly below average and if I had anything specific to say about it, I would have in the comment section. It is NEVER personal, the way I vote. I don't care if someone likes the toy or not, it has no impact on how I vote. But, for me anyway, usually very short reviews, with little detail or little imagination or of course, improper data tend to get lower votes.

I spend an average of 2 to 3 hours (sometimes even more) writing each of my reviews. That isn't including any photos, or even editing. (I know people who have been here longer can write amazingly good reviews in a much shorter time, though.) I expect people to put as much effort into a review as I do to get a "helpful" review vote and a butt load of effort and imagination into a review to get an "extremely helpful" review vote.

I occasionally respond if someone PMs me, but I sometimes read up to 20 or more reviews in a day, and don't always have the time to get to my PMs in a few hours or even a few days. Chances are, I will get to them, but I do sometimes feel put on the spot when I am PMed with a "why didn't you give me a ____ vote?" If it was specific, I would have put it in the comment section. Sometimes a review just didn't hit me as an "extremely useful" review and I vote honestly and according to how I feel the review was written. Also, I don't always have the time to re-read every review I have already carefully read and voted on. Sometimes I will, but when it's a busy day, I can't re-read 20 or more reviews, looking for issues that may have effected the honest way that I voted.

Also, we are NOT required to explain our votes, if we feel we don't need to. Nothing personal at all. I never "downvote" in a retaliatory manner and I think most of us who have been here a while never do.

Sometimes the review just wasn't scintillating, sparkling or just didn't hit us as something someone spent a lot of effort on doing. I have to vote according to my conscience and often, simply my impression of the entire review in it's Gestalt. Sometimes, there isn't much to say about why a review was less than "extremely useful."
01/07/2011
Contributor: Yoda Yoda
I don't do anything when that happens. Sometimes it irks me if it seems that someone is being spiteful, but I try to keep my anger in check since I don't actually know anyone on here. If it happened in my real life I might react more and defend myself, but this is the internet, and I don't consider it real at all.
01/07/2011
Contributor: Angel deSanguine Angel deSanguine
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Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
I am going to try to leave more comments on the ones I vote less than ext. useful so there is no confusion. I'm sorry that happened to you! I have had people answer and not, but they (by eden rules) are not required to answer. I do appreciate it ... more
I know they're not required to answer, I was just speaking from how I personally would feel if I just ignored it, assuming they asked nicely. If someone comes in and kicks the door down and is all 'why didn't you give me an extremely useful?!' with flames for hair then yeah, they're probably going to get ignored and if they're extremely ugly they may be reported.

Also, to clarify, it was not just a 'useful' rating. Those just make me think maybe my tone or writing style doesn't completely match what the reader likes best.
01/07/2011
Contributor: Angel deSanguine Angel deSanguine
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Originally posted by Kindred
I would have to disagree that someone voting consistently lower than others should be considered as down-rating. Personally, the majority of reviews I consider as Useful. I reserve Extremely Useful for those reviews that I feel go above and beyond ... more
Kindred, I think that the people that are bothered by it, such as myself, are bothered because that means/ implies we left something out. That means that I didn't do as well as I should have, I wasn't able to help someone by providing the information they were looking for which means I didn't do my job and, with no comment left and no response to a PM, I have no way to know what that something was so I can see to it that it is added from here on- and editing my initial review/ seeing to it that it gets caught in my follow-up review.

I am always very careful how I rate a review because even though I may not prefer their writing style or overly casual tone what it boils down to (for me) is this- if they have all of the information they should have it is no less than a useful and, in my opinion, usually an extremely useful.
01/07/2011
Contributor: Kindred Kindred
Quote:
Originally posted by Angel deSanguine
Kindred, I think that the people that are bothered by it, such as myself, are bothered because that means/ implies we left something out. That means that I didn't do as well as I should have, I wasn't able to help someone by providing the ... more
Understandable, but I think it's wrong to believe that we are going to satisfy everyone with every review. If you're happy with your review and the majority of people think you did a good job, that's reward enough. There will always be situations where you can't provide information that a reader may be looking for or that you hadn't thought of before. Don't sweat those. In the long run they are irrelevant.
01/07/2011
Contributor: Airekah Airekah
Especially in the beginning, I would always talk to everyone and find out what I could improve. Also, sometimes if it seems they are the only person to vote down for whatever reason, I may just ignore it and brush it off.
01/07/2011
Contributor: Envy Envy
I don't do anything. They must have down voted me for a reason right? I only would do something if I see the same person going around and down voting all my reviews, ya know, with having malicious intent.
01/07/2011
Contributor: Pleasure Piratess Pleasure Piratess
Wow, I guess a vote all depends on the person voting. Personally, I tend to vote like this

-not useful at all: virtually no information, information grossly incorrect

-worth reading, but not useful: gave reviewers opinion, but lacked general info, or vise versa

-somewhat useful: decent review that didn't answer all my questions

-useful: good review that answered all my questions

-extremely useful: great review that answer all my questions, plus some I didn't even think to ask
01/07/2011
Contributor: darthkitt3n darthkitt3n
I don't really do anything if someone gives me a bad vote on one review. Though, if I noticed that all of them had a very low vote from the same person, I would probably report it.
01/07/2011
Contributor: Darling Jen Darling Jen
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Originally posted by Pleasure Piratess
Wow, I guess a vote all depends on the person voting. Personally, I tend to vote like this

-not useful at all: virtually no information, information grossly incorrect

-worth reading, but not useful: gave reviewers opinion, but lacked ... more
I think that's a great system! Those should be the standard definitions.
01/07/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Kindred
I would have to disagree that someone voting consistently lower than others should be considered as down-rating. Personally, the majority of reviews I consider as Useful. I reserve Extremely Useful for those reviews that I feel go above and beyond ... more
I am not talking about useful votes though. I agree with you, that is why I said some people have higher standards than others and vote lower because of it. I vote the same as you. Ext. useful is for above and beyond or I am left with no big questions. Consistency is key, I totally agree! I am not concerned with some, but some are and always will be. I wanted people to know that they can contact me if they feel comfortable. I agree with you. Look at my earliest reviews. I was downrated ridiculously. It didn't affect my rating much did it ;p.
01/07/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by P'Gell
I think there is a huge difference between what I consider "downvoting" (really, giving someone a poor vote due to personal issues that have virtually nothing to do with the review itself) and being voting honestly when a review simply ... more
"I usually start reading a review assuming it is "helpful." Then I move my view up or down, based on the details, how accurate the data was, how imaginative the reviewer was, how much effort I felt was put into the review and yeah, syntax and grammar and spelling have about a 5% impact or more on how I vote. Text speak will usually cause me to not even want to finish reading the review, but I always do anyway." This is basically what I do as well. Your entire post was well written. I agree with you.
01/07/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Angel deSanguine
I know they're not required to answer, I was just speaking from how I personally would feel if I just ignored it, assuming they asked nicely. If someone comes in and kicks the door down and is all 'why didn't you give me an extremely ... more
LOL I get cha!
01/07/2011
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Pleasure Piratess
Wow, I guess a vote all depends on the person voting. Personally, I tend to vote like this

-not useful at all: virtually no information, information grossly incorrect

-worth reading, but not useful: gave reviewers opinion, but lacked ... more
Excellent scale! Mine looks similar especially the top parts.
01/07/2011
Contributor: Dusk Dusk
I usually ask, especially if they didn't put any comments on the review. I like to know if there's something constructive they have to offer, if they were confused on an issue I could help with, or if they're just being...well...an ass.
01/08/2011
Contributor: Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
Currently we don't do anything about it and rarely look to see how anyone voted. What we concentrate on is the Comments, because we want to be available to answer any questions a reader may have or to fix any mistakes that people may point out. Comments are the way to let us know if you see something we can improve on.

I *did* write to one girl last year who was voting very low for everyone else who had reviewed anything that she herself had reviewed, obviously to raise her own ranking. When I asked what could have been improved in the 20+ reviews that she'd hit, she gave a real vague excuse about her keyboard being messed up and making her "accidentally" vote low. Funny how the inquiry must have magically fixed her keyboard, because she never did it after that. Think I should bill her for keyboard repairs? LOL
01/08/2011