In what places do you believe smoking should be banned?

Contributor: Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
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Originally posted by Jobthingy
And how about just walking across the street and getting hit by a bus. Really, there are more things to worry about. If a waft hits you, well guess what, *lights up a smoke* that one quick breath of itty bitty smoke is not going to give you cancer in ... more
Not to worry pot smoking isn't going to become common - at least not in public places. Even in uber-liberal California we soundly rejected a referendum to legalize pot.

Smoking bans are admittedly a tyranny of the majority. Smokers make up less than 20% of the US population - that means 80% are non-smokers.

Getting hit by a bus is nothing more than a red herring - it may make you feel better about making bad choices - but you admit it's a dirty habit that you will one day quit.

As you may already know the most vociferous anti-smokers are former smokers - so take heart, one day you will join us. I can't wait to welcome you into the rational fold of non-smokers.
02/03/2011
Contributor: Misfit Momma Misfit Momma
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Originally posted by Chilipepper
Lost revenue? Here's a funny story on that.

The diner I worked at in Montana had allowed smoking inside since it opened in the 1960's. When the state laws were passed to ban smoking in public establishments, the owner complied and ... more
Several restaurants/bars went bankrupt after the smoking bans in my city.
02/03/2011
Contributor: Naughty Student Naughty Student
I'm not a smoker and neither is my partner.

I would agree that smoking is aloud outside but not indoors anywhere, even hotels. I am glad that there is no smoking in bars and restaurants and stores. It's nice to go out and not come back home with my hair and clothes smelling like cigarette. It stinks!

The leading causes of health related deaths are respiratory and heart diseases. I agree that there are many dangers out in the world that can cause your death but I feel like pointing this out is like trying to rationalize. I have friends who smoke and I don't nag them about it. They can do what they want, it's their body they're destroying. If they want to quit I will be very supportive, each time they try.
02/03/2011
Contributor: Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
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Originally posted by Angel deSanguine
The problem I have with smoking outside of restaurants and stores is even if a smoking area is provided there is ALWAYS a group of smokers so close to the entrance of the building they could be door decorations. I don't smoke, I quit over a ... more
Yeah I'll give you that one. I don't smoke commercial cigarettes (too many chemicals) and even as a smoker those smell bad to me... especially since that FSC crap went into effect. Still, I don't have a problem with courteous smokers of *any* kind of cigarette, but the ones that stand right in the doorways make it hard on all smokers since people tend to condemn the lot based on a few.
02/03/2011
Contributor: Misfit Momma Misfit Momma
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Originally posted by BluePixi
the passerby may not get cancer but they may have a severe allergic reaction and end up dead or in a hospital, but its not your fault they have allergies is it?
less serious cases may have an asthma attack, hay fever(think flu-like symptoms), more ... more
Nope. Not my fault.

Smoke is not an allergen. No one is allergic to smoke.
02/03/2011
Contributor: Crystal1 Crystal1
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Originally posted by markeagleone
I think smoking should be up to the business owner. It should be allowed outdoors, anywhere. I do not believe the government that is in power now should throw away our personal freedoms that this country was based on. If government tells us what, ... more
So should it also be a personal freedom to pull down my pants and urinate in a crowded public area?
02/03/2011
Contributor: BluePixi BluePixi
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Originally posted by Misfit Momma
Nope. Not my fault.

Smoke is not an allergen. No one is allergic to smoke.
It is a non specific allergen and yes it is responsible for health problems beyond the cancer that everyone is so obsessed with.
02/03/2011
Contributor: Darling Jen Darling Jen
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Originally posted by P'Gell
Cheap perfume is nasty, but it isn't a carcinogen and it won't cause pneumonia or bronchitis in children or adults.

I also notice (and I am being nice about this, I'm married to a smoker) always say, "And you can't even ... more
Yeah, I'm pretty sensitive to it and find myself tearing up and sometimes gagging at work when heavy smokers come in to buy more cigarettes. And my mom smoked for over 30 years before she was able to quit and she's HYPER-sensitive to it now and it makes her very ill.

And I agree with Chilipepper on the business revenue thing. Maybe it could work out if there were establishments opened up for the specific purpose of smoking where smokers could work too, like "smoke houses" or something. Go to bars to drink alcohol and smoke houses to light up.

But saying employees have the right NOT to work at restaurants is just cruel. I applied to more than 2 dozen jobs and only was able to land one. I have bills to pay or I'd have debt collectors on my ass and no way to feed my dog. It's not as simple as them picking up and moving somewhere else and getting a job. But maybe others have more money than I and can afford that. But anyone working a minimum wage job as a server or something likely does not and they're doing what they can to put food on the table.

A server I recently had at a restaurant was visibly pregnant and one of my coworkers is 8 months in too. They both are working hard when their bodies really don't want to be in order to support their growing families. They shouldn't have to be worried about harming their unborn child at work too.

The right to choose not to give money to a business is one thing. You're not losing anything with the choice of "I don't want to eat here". But to tell workers not to keep their jobs, lose income, and possibly fall below the poverty line and lose their property isn't the same.
02/03/2011
Contributor: Misfit Momma Misfit Momma
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Originally posted by BluePixi
It is a non specific allergen and yes it is responsible for health problems beyond the cancer that everyone is so obsessed with.
Yes. It causes health problems and irritates asthma and other conditions. It still isn't a real allergy.

People who are allergic to pets, dust, pollen, or whatever else are expected to deal with it on their own. "Smoke Allergies" shouldn't be any different.

I feel the same about banning peanuts. If I'm not the one with the allergy, then no, it's not my problem.
02/03/2011
Contributor: vegan.guy vegan.guy
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Originally posted by Alan & Michele
I think it should be permitted anywhere outdoors and in a person's own car. Smoke dissipates relatively fast outside, so if people are too stupid to stand far enough away from a smoker not to be offended, then that's their problem.

It ... more
Yeah but perfume doesn't kill people.
02/03/2011
Contributor: That Guy That Guy
In general I just think it's a bad idea to allow smokers to light up in enclosed spaces they don't own, unless the place is specially billed as a smoker's facility, bar, etc. We have liquor licenses, they should just have the the same policy with respect to smoking. That way, if you're a waitress or a bartender, you're not forced by virtue of your vocation to deal with something so hazardous to your health, appearance, and let's face it, smell.
02/03/2011
Contributor: vegan.guy vegan.guy
I think that smoking should be banned . . . period.
02/03/2011
Contributor: Darling Jen Darling Jen
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Originally posted by Misfit Momma
Yes. It causes health problems and irritates asthma and other conditions. It still isn't a real allergy.

People who are allergic to pets, dust, pollen, or whatever else are expected to deal with it on their own. "Smoke Allergies" ... more
But the FDA did do something for everyone with a peanut allergy to protect them. It's now required on all food products to have a fine-print warning label saying "this product contains peanuts and/or was made in a factory that could contaminate it with peanuts".

And anything is an allergy. There are documented cases of people being allergic to water which leaves them with red, painful blisters and hives. Is water an allergen? There are documented cases of women's vaginal canals having allergic reactions to semen and causing tremendous pain and completely prevents natural pregnancy because her body attacks and kills the sperm. Is semen an allergen?

An allergen is...

- "A substance that is foreign to the body and can cause an allergic reaction in certain people"

- "A foreign substance which, when inhaled, causes the airways to narrow and produces symptoms of asthma"

- "A substance capable of producing an allergic response or antigen within the body"

Sooo... yeah, anything and everything can be an allergen. It's not the substance itself that defines it. (Peanuts are not allergens for everyone.) But it's the reaction within the individual's body that does. So if they react to it, it's an allergy.

And I just wanted to throw in my knowledge. I didn't mean this to be pro- or anti- either side. Just some useful information.
02/03/2011
Contributor: BluePixi BluePixi
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Originally posted by Misfit Momma
Yes. It causes health problems and irritates asthma and other conditions. It still isn't a real allergy.

People who are allergic to pets, dust, pollen, or whatever else are expected to deal with it on their own. "Smoke Allergies" ... more
Most schools and businesses don't allow pets and tend to clean on a regular basis thus pet dander and dust aren't usually a problem out in public. Pollen is everywhere there isn't much to be done about it at home or at a business, but its not like you ever see a big pot of ragweed or johnson grass in the planters at a shopping district or in a hotel. I have mixed feelings about banning peanuts, it depends on where you want to ban them from. I agree that it would be pretty stupid to ban them altogether for the tiny minority of people sensitive enough to be killed by it. But there does seem to be a market for schools that cater to children with severe allergies.

Smoking is voluntary you do not need to smoke a cigarette to survive, but everyone should be allowed to breath. I have never heard of anyone collapsing or suffocating because their smoke break was delayed anymore than I have heard of people dying because they were separated from their pet for a few hours.
02/03/2011
Contributor: DeliciousSurprise DeliciousSurprise
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Originally posted by BluePixi
Most schools and businesses don't allow pets and tend to clean on a regular basis thus pet dander and dust aren't usually a problem out in public. Pollen is everywhere there isn't much to be done about it at home or at a business, but its ... more
If I'm allergic to dogs, should they ban service dogs from indoor public buildings? Or, for that matter, from public facilities like parks or beaches? There are a lot of large, furry service dogs out there making people sneeze every day. People *COULD* do without their service dogs in most cases.





(As a note, I don't think that service dogs should be banned ANYWHERE, this is just an example for the purposes of this thread.)
02/03/2011
Contributor: potstickers potstickers
Whenever I walk by people smoking on the sidewalk it sends me into a coughing fit. My mom smokes and we finally forced her outside after many years of smoking inside. I don't mind if people smoke and it's an open area, but not right outside buildings. Whenever I go to the library I have to pass through walls of smoke which makes me cough until I get inside. Ugh.
02/03/2011
Contributor: UnknownGirl UnknownGirl
I'm an ex-smoker so I can say this; smoking is a filthy disgusting habit. It really should not be permitted anywhere but designated areas far removed from non-smokers. Nothing worse than taking a stroll outside on a nice breezy summer day when all of a sudden you get a random waft of smoke. That shit just lingers inside your nose. Blegh.
02/03/2011
Contributor: BluePixi BluePixi
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Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
If I'm allergic to dogs, should they ban service dogs from indoor public buildings? Or, for that matter, from public facilities like parks or beaches? There are a lot of large, furry service dogs out there making people sneeze every day. ... more
I am allergic to dogs too and a service dogs, which tend to be well groomed thus not likely to drop too much dander, are not going to jump up on people or wander around looking for attention the way a pet might. Not to mention service dogs are relatively rare and pets are not.
Personally I don't think a voluntary habit compares to an aid for disabled individuals.
02/03/2011
Contributor: AU AU
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Originally posted by Jobthingy
And how about just walking across the street and getting hit by a bus. Really, there are more things to worry about. If a waft hits you, well guess what, *lights up a smoke* that one quick breath of itty bitty smoke is not going to give you cancer in ... more
I disagree with most of this but I really agree with "What irks me more is that people are going above and beyond to allow pot smoking everywhere. Yet smoking a cigarette is a big taboo." I believe pot looks and smells just as bad and I suspect we are going to find out it isn't as safe as people are trying to make it look in fighting for their right to it. We already know about some risks.
02/04/2011
Contributor: AU AU
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Originally posted by Chilipepper
Lost revenue? Here's a funny story on that.

The diner I worked at in Montana had allowed smoking inside since it opened in the 1960's. When the state laws were passed to ban smoking in public establishments, the owner complied and ... more
I believe the stats are surprising. Smoking bans don't always hurt business. In some cases, they help. Most people I know would go to some smoking-OK places if they were smoke free.
02/04/2011
Contributor: AU AU
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Originally posted by Gunsmoke
Not to worry pot smoking isn't going to become common - at least not in public places. Even in uber-liberal California we soundly rejected a referendum to legalize pot.

Smoking bans are admittedly a tyranny of the majority. Smokers make up ... more
That has been some of my fear about legal pot--how OK it will be in public places. And I fear that some stupid people will think that if it's legal, it's much more OK to do it on the job and such. I really dislike marijuana, would hate to see it legalized for my own reasons. But I will tolerate it much better if it it's usage is as restricted as alcohol, isn't allowed inside most places of entertainment.
02/04/2011
Contributor: DustBunny DustBunny
I don't smoke and the smell makes me sick, so I honestly don't want it anywhere. I know that for those that smoke it's not a good answer, but honestly when it used to allowed in restaurants it ruined meals. Delaware was one of the first states to ban it, and it was the best thing in the world for me. It sucked traveling to other states where they'd not yet banned it.

A few years back I went out to eat in Michigan, the entire meal the table behind us chain smoked. Sure I was technically in the no smoking section, but it was close enough that it didn't matter. At one point all 4 of the people at the table were smoking and I had such a bad asthma attack we had to get my rescue inhaler. While they were allowed to smoke, it was effecting others and certainly wasn't harmless. I don't care if you want to do that to yourself, but there are some places I was glad to see it banned from.

I honestly can't even be around someone wearing too much cologne, perfume or body spray. My coworker came in reeking of axe one day and I had an asthma attack, he didn't want to smell of cigarettes, so you covered himself in something just as bad. Uhg, it's not covering it up, it made it worse.
02/04/2011
Contributor: AU AU
I would rather see tobacco banned but I doubt that will happen for a whyile. So I'd like to see it less popular and in ever fewer places than it is in the U.S. Some countries are pretty far behind us and I'm a little worried about the slight possibility of me moving to these places.

I would like to see more smoking areas away from others, in their own rooms if indoor smoking is a must for a business owner. I would like it not to be allowed in the entry of businesses. It is show that the smoker does not care about anyone else's opinion, which is a display in many cases I do not like. No, that bit of smoke won't kill me. But it's so gross to smell and see before going in. When doors open, it goes inside. I had to deal with this as a receptionist every day for a while. And I get enough chemicals every day that are surprisingly dangerous. I'd like to eliminate some of this.

I don't even like smoking on beaches, sidewalks, and sometimes not in private cars. The reason here is because not so much because of the smoke, but the way people handle things when they are done. How many beaches, sidewalks, roads, parks, pleasant places in general have you seen littered by the trash of smokers? Just because your trash is small doesn't mean it's still not litter. Litter that can start forest fires, make sitting on the ground less fun, fit in animals' mouths.

I'm sorry if I offend. My stance is rather harsh. I get tired of attacks on it just as pro-tobacco people are tired of me attacking their stance. It is strange to me that people would get so defensive about the right to do something that looks, smells bad and is bad for us. It seems like addiction speaking.

I worry about people I know who have had problems likely due to smoking. Some of these people are still young. I know you have the right to do what you want with your life, but think about the well-being of the people around you, even if you aren't convinced smoking is so bad. And think of how some of them would feel if you died because of something like smoking.
02/04/2011
Contributor: Andromeda Andromeda
I'm not an advocate of smoking in public places. I'm in Europe now, and smoking is a lot more popular over here than it is back home. It's really unavoidable. If someone wants to avoid being around smoke, they should be able to do so with ease, not be subjected to it because some asshole on the street is blowing smoke into peoples' faces. I know not all smokers are like this, but the vast majority I've encountered while out and about aren't mindful of their surroundings.

I'm living with a couple of girls who smoke inside our apartment and refuse to take it outside, even though I am allergic to smoke and one girl has asthma. Hence I'm a little jaded in regards to smoking at the moment.
02/04/2011
Contributor: Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
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Originally posted by markeagleone
I think smoking should be up to the business owner. It should be allowed outdoors, anywhere. I do not believe the government that is in power now should throw away our personal freedoms that this country was based on. If government tells us what, ... more
Well, they tried to revoke personal freedoms with liquor during the prohibition and look what happened. People went from being allowed to drink only in a few backstreet areas to where we are today: Liquor is available in grocery stores, gas stations, and drug stores. There are bars everywhere you look, people are served beer at sports events and fairs where children are present, and drunk drivers are killing people at an alarming rate. And even with that you don't hear too many people jumping up and saying "I hope they ban drinking everywhere" anymore. Nope, now they're after the smokers, and they're leaving the drunks in peace. It will be interesting to watch the outcome this whole anti-smoking thing and then to see who they go on a head hunt for next

I personally don't care all that much if they ban it in public places all together. It would be going overboard in my opinion, but hey, whatever. But when they start trying to dictate what a person does in their own car or home, that's where I get angry.
02/04/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Misfit Momma
Nope. Not my fault.

Smoke is not an allergen. No one is allergic to smoke.
People certainly ARE allergic to many of the constituents in tobacco smoke! I have been allergy tested and proved a 4+ histamine reactions to pure tobacco particulate matter and nicotine, and a 3+ histamine reaction to formaldehyde and a 4+ histamine reaction to the pure tobacco plant. My reaction is very common, which is why allergists test for it all the time. Tobacco and several of it's break down materials are a standard part of ANY allergy scratch test kit as well as tested for when a RAST test is done.

You may want to think otherwise, but the AMA and the National Institutes of Health disagree with you. You are welcome to your own opinions, however no one is welcome to their own "facts" when they are proven untrue.

When I worked ER, we saw kids brought in every day with severe allergic reactions to parents who refuse to quit, (particulate matter can be even be brought into the house on clothing when people smoke outside and cause reactions) and asthma attacks, not to mention the increase in pneumonia and bronchitis and broncholitis from second hand tobacco smoke.

Tobacco allergy is absolutely true and VERY common. Saying otherwise is like putting blinders on.

Really.

Here's a link on cigarette smoke allergies.Cig Allergies

The problem with cigarettes is, though, that it is difficult to "enjoy" them without effecting other people, unlike most other vices. If a dude decides to shoot up next to me on the El, I may not like it, but his heroin isn't EFFECTING me. If someone lights up next to me on the El, I am taking in, without CONSENT, the same poisons he feel he has "the right" to place into publicly breathed air.

I take issue with someone doing things to me, or my kids, without my consent.

Safe, Sane and Consensual doesn't just apply to BDSM. It applies to anything that effects other people.
02/04/2011
Contributor: Shellz31 Shellz31
I think cigarettes should be banned altogether.
I hate having to clog up my lungs because some smoker has no respect for anyone elses life!

Over here they aren't suppose to smoke within a certain distance from a building entry - but do smokers give a $#^$%@*! NOPE!
Too bad if someone with chronic lung problems has to get into a shopping centre. Any smokers stop to think just for a second, that they could kill that person cause they can't friggin breath?????

They also aren't by law allowed to smoke in a car (over here) if there is a young cild with them. Again, they have no respect for the developing body of their own children! I think that's digusting.

I use to be a smoker years and years ago. I no longer want to pollute my body with poisons than need be. Plus - I don't want to stink like that ever again. It really is offensive - but ya don't really notice that when you are a smoker.

Thankgoodness I live over here where they have banned all indoor smoking (apart from their own homes which I'd never go to anyway)!
03/22/2011
Contributor: Darling Jen Darling Jen
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Originally posted by Shellz31
I think cigarettes should be banned altogether.
I hate having to clog up my lungs because some smoker has no respect for anyone elses life!

Over here they aren't suppose to smoke within a certain distance from a building entry - but ... more
I had asthma as a child (maybe from my mom smoking during pregnancy...) and was NEVER told. Then I had a major attack at school and my mom came to get me and said, ever so calmly while I gasped for air in the back seat, "Yeah, the doctor told me you had asthma and I thought if I didn't tell you about it or do anything, you wouldn't pull this sh*t for attention."

...Now, I already have issues with my mother, but seriously, Mom??? Anyway, story's not done. We went to the doctor where he magically calmed my breathing down and then lectured my mother about caring for me. One of the things he insisted on was NO MORE smoking in the car, especially when I'm in it. She actually ARGUED with him on it and said, "I open the windows!" And he informed her that it didn't matter. The way the air circulates around the car actually perpetually will bring the smoke back in.

So, on the way home from the doctor's, she smoked... Yeeeaaah. It's memories like that that make me want them banned completely, even though I know it's not fair and very un-American to remove the right.
03/22/2011
Contributor: Sweet-Justice Sweet-Justice
While I don't think it should be permitted in grocery stores, or clothing outlets, I think it was just fine in a restaurant and I don't really smoke :/ its not like people were purportedly blowing it in non smokers faces.
03/22/2011
Contributor: Airekah Airekah
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Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
With NYC now declaring that smoking is banned in parks and beaches as well as in bars and restaurants, I wonder what EF thinks about having the freedom to light up where you'd like.

Please select all appropriate answers.

If you ... more
WAIT, is smoking not permitted in a private vehicle anywhere?
03/22/2011