There's NO reason homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to get married.
Gay marriage: yay or nay?
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I'm a lesbian, of course it's a YAY.
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I hate the inane argument that 'marriage is by definition between a male and a female' as if language and word meanings are static and unchangeable, and as if that is an excuse for depriving millions of their right as responsible citizens. It would make as much sense to say we should outlaw anyone from using the word 'gentleman' to refer to any but the landed gentry because that was the original meaning of the word.
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You have the right to any "belief" you want, or to hate any kind of person you want. However, your prejudices have NOTHING do do with law.
Originally posted by
mama2007
if people wanted it legal who are in the congress and such, it would be already. it's not and im sure religion is a lot to do with it and I'm glad. I've never seen/heard so many people in "agreement" with gay marriage til this
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if people wanted it legal who are in the congress and such, it would be already. it's not and im sure religion is a lot to do with it and I'm glad. I've never seen/heard so many people in "agreement" with gay marriage til this post. everyone i know except maybe 2 people are against it.
It states in 1 Corinthians 6 that certain sins will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and this is one of them.
And it's not an "anceient book". I'm a Christian and I firmly believe it's wrong as with abortion = murder, and other subjects that no one will ever agree on.
My answer is no i do not think it should be legal. keep it at that less
It states in 1 Corinthians 6 that certain sins will not inherit the kingdom of heaven and this is one of them.
And it's not an "anceient book". I'm a Christian and I firmly believe it's wrong as with abortion = murder, and other subjects that no one will ever agree on.
My answer is no i do not think it should be legal. keep it at that less
As for "everybody you know" it has no bearing on this discussion.
Everybody I know, with the exception of a very few people who have no education, thinks gay marriage should be legal. Most of my friends and family are tolerant people, no matter what 'religion' they purport to belong to.
Corinthians was not written by Christ it was written by Paul, who by researching was not only mentally unstable, but a woman hater, and probably a heavily closeted self hating homosexual. He hated who he was... so he told others to agree with him. What Paul said is NOT "the Word of Christ." I would think anyone who claims to be a Christian would know that.
Christ said NOTHING on the matter about homosexuality. IF he had thought it was important to rail against gays, he would have. He had plenty of time to rail against the Rich, and I admire him for that. But, he never said a WORD about gay people.
Even if he had Our laws and Constitution are NOT based on The Judea o-Christian Bible.
Your prejudices have no bearing on the laws of the Nation that we ALL belong to.
You claim to be a Christian. How could you hate someone just because of who they love? I don't get it, I don't get it at all.
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Thank you. Makes sense to me.
Originally posted by
BBW Talks Toys
If you choose not to watch the video, fine. But the biggest points that made sense in terms of THIS conversation were:
1) Our Founding Fathers instituted a separation of church and state.
2) The Bible is not a legal document.
3) Using ... more
1) Our Founding Fathers instituted a separation of church and state.
2) The Bible is not a legal document.
3) Using ... more
If you choose not to watch the video, fine. But the biggest points that made sense in terms of THIS conversation were:
1) Our Founding Fathers instituted a separation of church and state.
2) The Bible is not a legal document.
3) Using religion as a reason to ban gay marriage does not give you freedom of religion, it's using religion to oppress people. less
1) Our Founding Fathers instituted a separation of church and state.
2) The Bible is not a legal document.
3) Using religion as a reason to ban gay marriage does not give you freedom of religion, it's using religion to oppress people. less
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The Bible said you were supposed to wait 40 days after birth.... Why is THAT rule flexible, yet "rules" about homosexuality NOT flexible? I thought you "knew" the Bible? Bible says it is "an abomination" to have sex in the first 40 days after a birth (longer for a girl baby, for the same lovely reasons that it says you can sell your girl children into slavery, I would imagine.)
Originally posted by
mama2007
no one is perfect except for God
And i know what drs say, i was just saying i chose not to wait but 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 wks after my kids were born to do anything 3 1/2 and 4 1/2 yrs ago.
And i know what drs say, i was just saying i chose not to wait but 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 wks after my kids were born to do anything 3 1/2 and 4 1/2 yrs ago.
Here: Leviticus 12
Purification After Childbirth
1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Say to the Israelites: 'A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. 3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. 4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. 5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding.
Just for shits and giggles, here's what the Bible has to say about tattoos.
Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."
I guess you are just as much of "an abomination" as the rest of us, hmmmm?
How can you condemn others, when your own actions are in just as much in contrast to Leviticus and Deuteronomy as anybody you condemn? Please, learn some tolerance! Or at least realize most of the Bible is an ANCIENT TEXT written for ANCIENT HEBREWS and not modern Americans.
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I feel embarrassed that my state is one of the 30
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I'm for gay marriage, gender shouldn't matter when it comes to love. You love who you love.
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To further expound on this, there are lots of books that teach about Bible reading and many of them say, "Know who the audience is. Consider when this was written and for whom." The books of Corinthians were letters to the Corinthians. Are there bits and pieces that are applicable to today? Perhaps. But the last time I checked, we weren't living in 1st century Corinth. Perhaps there was a reason that Paul wrote about homosexuality then that no longer applies today.
Originally posted by
P'Gell
The Bible said you were supposed to wait 40 days after birth.... Why is THAT rule flexible, yet "rules" about homosexuality NOT flexible? I thought you "knew" the Bible? Bible says it is "an abomination" to have sex in
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The Bible said you were supposed to wait 40 days after birth.... Why is THAT rule flexible, yet "rules" about homosexuality NOT flexible? I thought you "knew" the Bible? Bible says it is "an abomination" to have sex in the first 40 days after a birth (longer for a girl baby, for the same lovely reasons that it says you can sell your girl children into slavery, I would imagine.)
Here: Leviticus 12
Purification After Childbirth
1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Say to the Israelites: 'A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. 3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. 4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. 5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding.
Just for shits and giggles, here's what the Bible has to say about tattoos.
Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."
I guess you are just as much of "an abomination" as the rest of us, hmmmm?
How can you condemn others, when your own actions are in just as much in contrast to Leviticus and Deuteronomy as anybody you condemn? Please, learn some tolerance! Or at least realize most of the Bible is an ANCIENT TEXT written for ANCIENT HEBREWS and not modern Americans. less
Here: Leviticus 12
Purification After Childbirth
1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Say to the Israelites: 'A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. 3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. 4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. 5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding.
Just for shits and giggles, here's what the Bible has to say about tattoos.
Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."
I guess you are just as much of "an abomination" as the rest of us, hmmmm?
How can you condemn others, when your own actions are in just as much in contrast to Leviticus and Deuteronomy as anybody you condemn? Please, learn some tolerance! Or at least realize most of the Bible is an ANCIENT TEXT written for ANCIENT HEBREWS and not modern Americans. less
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Mine isn't. C'mon over!
Originally posted by
Beck
I feel embarrassed that my state is one of the 30
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I agree with most of what has been said, but wanted to add this. If you don't want to start an argument, then why post anything in the posts that talk of gay marriage? Not saying it is wrong for you to believe what you believe, but it is my take on things. For instance 99% of the time when someone says, I am not a racist but,( they're gonna say something racist).. or I don't want to offend but, then they go on to say something offensive. If you believe what you believe, say this is what I believe and leave it at that. When you say you don't want to argue about what you believe and then you turn around and do just that..Your point goes out the window...
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that you tube guy is a kook ive seen his videos before, they are pointless
Originally posted by
Beck
That is just awesome! I love it!!!
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I would pack up and leave if I could. It's a shame!! It's too bad that I wasn't old enough to vote in 2004. (That was when it was passed here.)
Originally posted by
BBW Talks Toys
Mine isn't. C'mon over!
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and there is only 1 true God, all others are false. And we don't make laws, officiaries do but they must not like it either because it's only legal in a few states. and nope the Bible is NOT stupid.
Originally posted by
Beck
"If you don't like His teachings, then don't read the Bible. simple as that."
Not really as simple as that because laws like the banning of gay marriage force those who don't like HIS teachings to live by them. And learn ... more
Not really as simple as that because laws like the banning of gay marriage force those who don't like HIS teachings to live by them. And learn ... more
"If you don't like His teachings, then don't read the Bible. simple as that."
Not really as simple as that because laws like the banning of gay marriage force those who don't like HIS teachings to live by them. And learn them. Religion has no place with any law. Because not everyone follows the same religion and there is no PROOF anyone religion is right. Allowing one to provide reasoning behind the laws only allows them to have more power. No one can say any GOD is right, therefore when laws are made they shouldn't include any religion. It's really as simple as that. less
Not really as simple as that because laws like the banning of gay marriage force those who don't like HIS teachings to live by them. And learn them. Religion has no place with any law. Because not everyone follows the same religion and there is no PROOF anyone religion is right. Allowing one to provide reasoning behind the laws only allows them to have more power. No one can say any GOD is right, therefore when laws are made they shouldn't include any religion. It's really as simple as that. less
arguing with yall is like talking to a wall. pointless when we don't agree
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Thomas Jefferson described Paul as a "first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus", and wrote of his "palpable interpolations and falsifications." He described Paul's writings as "the ravings of a maniac." I tend to agree with Jefferson.
Originally posted by
BBW Talks Toys
To further expound on this, there are lots of books that teach about Bible reading and many of them say, "Know who the audience is. Consider when this was written and for whom." The books of Corinthians were letters to the Corinthians. Are
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To further expound on this, there are lots of books that teach about Bible reading and many of them say, "Know who the audience is. Consider when this was written and for whom." The books of Corinthians were letters to the Corinthians. Are there bits and pieces that are applicable to today? Perhaps. But the last time I checked, we weren't living in 1st century Corinth. Perhaps there was a reason that Paul wrote about homosexuality then that no longer applies today.
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And I don't accept it because it's gross to see 2 guys or 2 girls kiss or hold hands. i dont wanna see that. keep it in privacy of your home, same with heterosexuals IMO = pda at home
Originally posted by
BBW Talks Toys
To further expound on this, there are lots of books that teach about Bible reading and many of them say, "Know who the audience is. Consider when this was written and for whom." The books of Corinthians were letters to the Corinthians. Are
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To further expound on this, there are lots of books that teach about Bible reading and many of them say, "Know who the audience is. Consider when this was written and for whom." The books of Corinthians were letters to the Corinthians. Are there bits and pieces that are applicable to today? Perhaps. But the last time I checked, we weren't living in 1st century Corinth. Perhaps there was a reason that Paul wrote about homosexuality then that no longer applies today.
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There is no PROOF that there is a god at all let alone there is only one god. We elect the officals we want to stand up for the laws we want. The only reason it's illegal is because people use religion to oppress and discriminate against an entire group of people. It's not right and it's unconstitutional. It just takes time to fight for what is right!
Originally posted by
mama2007
and there is only 1 true God, all others are false. And we don't make laws, officiaries do but they must not like it either because it's only legal in a few states. and nope the Bible is NOT stupid.
arguing with yall is like talking ... more
arguing with yall is like talking ... more
and there is only 1 true God, all others are false. And we don't make laws, officiaries do but they must not like it either because it's only legal in a few states. and nope the Bible is NOT stupid.
arguing with yall is like talking to a wall. pointless when we don't agree less
arguing with yall is like talking to a wall. pointless when we don't agree less
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What you view is gross is what you view as gross. 2 girls kissing is incredibly sexy to me. Just because two people are allowed to be married doesn't mean they are going to run around and make out in front of others.
Originally posted by
mama2007
And I don't accept it because it's gross to see 2 guys or 2 girls kiss or hold hands. i dont wanna see that. keep it in privacy of your home, same with heterosexuals IMO = pda at home
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I seem to remember that divorce is wrong in the Bible as well. Spin offs of Christianity started because the king wanted to divorce his wife and take another...
Also...the Bible is a translation, who is to say that whoever translated it, translated it correctly?
Also...the Bible is a translation, who is to say that whoever translated it, translated it correctly?
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There's different translations but the ones that aren't re-worded into "todays" words is NIV, NKJV, KJV and NSV
Originally posted by
wrmbreze
I seem to remember that divorce is wrong in the Bible as well. Spin offs of Christianity started because the king wanted to divorce his wife and take another...
Also...the Bible is a translation, who is to say that whoever translated it, ... more
Also...the Bible is a translation, who is to say that whoever translated it, ... more
I seem to remember that divorce is wrong in the Bible as well. Spin offs of Christianity started because the king wanted to divorce his wife and take another...
Also...the Bible is a translation, who is to say that whoever translated it, translated it correctly? less
Also...the Bible is a translation, who is to say that whoever translated it, translated it correctly? less
AND i agree that it's stupid to argue about this, so with that said this is my last reply before i end it lol. I believe it is wrong, so that is my belief.
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Then if you don't want to see it, YOU stay home.
Originally posted by
mama2007
And I don't accept it because it's gross to see 2 guys or 2 girls kiss or hold hands. i dont wanna see that. keep it in privacy of your home, same with heterosexuals IMO = pda at home
I think intolerance is gross, but people are still doing it. Can't always get what you want!
A little simplified and a bit caustic.
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And you're entitled to that belief, but you're not entitled to oppress people.
Originally posted by
mama2007
There's different translations but the ones that aren't re-worded into "todays" words is NIV, NKJV, KJV and NSV
AND i agree that it's stupid to argue about this, so with that said this is my last reply before i end it ... more
AND i agree that it's stupid to argue about this, so with that said this is my last reply before i end it ... more
There's different translations but the ones that aren't re-worded into "todays" words is NIV, NKJV, KJV and NSV
AND i agree that it's stupid to argue about this, so with that said this is my last reply before i end it lol. I believe it is wrong, so that is my belief. less
AND i agree that it's stupid to argue about this, so with that said this is my last reply before i end it lol. I believe it is wrong, so that is my belief. less
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Logic is totally kooky.
Originally posted by
mama2007
that you tube guy is a kook ive seen his videos before, they are pointless
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I would. But only in front of bigots.
Originally posted by
Beck
What you view is gross is what you view as gross. 2 girls kissing is incredibly sexy to me. Just because two people are allowed to be married doesn't mean they are going to run around and make out in front of others.
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NICE!!!
Originally posted by
BBW Talks Toys
Then if you don't want to see it, YOU stay home. I think intolerance is gross, but people are still doing it. Can't always get what you want!A little simplified and a bit caustic.
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thanks... wish I could say that I came up with it.
Originally posted by
wrmbreze
NICE!!!
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nope, i do what i want when i want with my kids/husband, and thankfully for us we have like no "open" people like that around here except the 1 tranvestite person at the museum lol who was CLEARLY a guy with fake boobs or tissues in shirt. the lady behind us who was helping with tickets was like did she help u? im like yes he helped us thanks. if you're gonna dress like a girl at least do a decent job at it, not have facial hair and a wig moving.
Originally posted by
BBW Talks Toys
Then if you don't want to see it, YOU stay home. I think intolerance is gross, but people are still doing it. Can't always get what you want!A little simplified and a bit caustic.
And of course you'll get arguements on here or anywhere - i have fun with the debates on facebook about this, goes on for 3 hours once my kids are in bed. im not the only opposing person on there though, so it's better with 2 people's views as the same pretty much.
And lastly, it's not a popularity competition so idk what the point in continuing it is.
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Why won't you comment on the fact you have a tattoo, expressly forbidden in the Bible? And what about eating pork, wearing mixed fibers, etc.? Why are some laws in the Bible "right" and some "wrong"? What gives you the right to decide?
Originally posted by
mama2007
nope, i do what i want when i want with my kids/husband, and thankfully for us we have like no "open" people like that around here except the 1 tranvestite person at the museum lol who was CLEARLY a guy with fake boobs or tissues in shirt.
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nope, i do what i want when i want with my kids/husband, and thankfully for us we have like no "open" people like that around here except the 1 tranvestite person at the museum lol who was CLEARLY a guy with fake boobs or tissues in shirt. the lady behind us who was helping with tickets was like did she help u? im like yes he helped us thanks. if you're gonna dress like a girl at least do a decent job at it, not have facial hair and a wig moving.
And of course you'll get arguements on here or anywhere - i have fun with the debates on facebook about this, goes on for 3 hours once my kids are in bed. im not the only opposing person on there though, so it's better with 2 people's views as the same pretty much.
And lastly, it's not a popularity competition so idk what the point in continuing it is. less
And of course you'll get arguements on here or anywhere - i have fun with the debates on facebook about this, goes on for 3 hours once my kids are in bed. im not the only opposing person on there though, so it's better with 2 people's views as the same pretty much.
And lastly, it's not a popularity competition so idk what the point in continuing it is. less
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I just got my tatoo last week because it stands for something i went thru 6 years ago.
Originally posted by
VelvetDragon
Why won't you comment on the fact you have a tattoo, expressly forbidden in the Bible? And what about eating pork, wearing mixed fibers, etc.? Why are some laws in the Bible "right" and some "wrong"? What gives you the right to decide?
My family is against tatoos too, but my sister has 2 and i just got my 1 and only one likely.
I have an opinion as anyone else. u like gay marriage awesome. i don't awesome. not worth putting people down over. i don't hate the person, i dislike the lifestyle.
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I'd love to, personally, hear an argument that opposes gay marriage that has nothing to do with religion.
Originally posted by
VelvetDragon
Why won't you comment on the fact you have a tattoo, expressly forbidden in the Bible? And what about eating pork, wearing mixed fibers, etc.? Why are some laws in the Bible "right" and some "wrong"? What gives you the right to decide?
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