So just to give you guys a taste of what to expect, we will be doing away with converting points to gift cards. Points will be linked to the account that earned them, and then those points will be available to spend towards your order. As soon as this is in place, gift cards return to normal. less

I do believe there is literature in the agreement, yes. I have received many phone calls like this:

Caller: Why my account locked?
Me: Please hold.
Check with JR, Check with JR, Check with JR.
JR: Yeah, she's got four accounts linked to that IP. She is not allowed to have that. We have contacted her multiple times and have locked her account.
Me: (relays JR's answer)
Caller: Oh. Uh. Yeah. Uh. I let my, uh, neighbor use my IP address.

So, there are ways to catch them if they're, you know, using it from the same IP address, but when they branch out to different sources it gets harder to find it. :/ less

What if my roommate wanted to become a reviewer? We'd be on the same IP. The reason he hasn't set up an account is because I told him about the IP thing and I know Miss Nessa has had problems with it. I didn't want there to be any idea that there was fraud going on. less

Yeah, that's totally true!

I've seen some pretty bad abuses too.

To P'Gell and the rest of the community: Don't sweat this too much. The points program, from my point of view, is all icing on the cake. Reviewers still get their free monthly reviews and buy-out assignments. But seeing $1,000 - $5,000 orders being placed from Brazil and other parts of the world was just too much to ignore or make a special case for.

Take a breath...breathe...
This too shall pass

In the meantime, just bank your points until you're ready to place an order. less

OK. (pant pant pant)

Jeez, $5,000.00 orders from out of the country? Who is doing this? (OK, I KNOW you can't tell us, it's just a frustration question.)

I have seen a number of something fairly new. A new poster with mainly mediocre scores on their reviews EXCEPT for one person, who always votes their reviews EU and ONLY votes on their reviews. I've reported them in the past, and a few of them are still reviewing. OBVIOUSLY these people have multiple accounts.

I also think making the Advanced Reviewer Program a little more difficult to get into, AND restrict voting on Advanced Review Applicants to no more than 2 or 3 a month would help a LOT!

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Okay, let's all get some perspective here!

I understand everyone's frustration we need to give them time to fix the programming on this for an entire community (THOUSANDS) of users who have points to use.

They've assured us that 1) it's TEMPORARY and 2) That they aren't going to screw over the "above the board" members of the community.

With that? These are sex toys. This isn't life or death. This isn't your grocery money or rent check they're messing with.

Don't get me wrong, I was right there with you guys as far as determining whether or not I'd EVER be able to use my GCs to pay for a full purchase again; but once that was answered, I'm cool. Just be a little patient. They're working as hard and as fast as they can. EF has an INTERNATIONAL reputation for being generous and fair to its contributors (and, again, THOUSANDS of contributors). They simply need to protect themselves against thieves. less

I disagree with your last idea (points only to the advanced)... seeing the little 'points' banner is what enticed me to click around the site and find the forum, back when I was brand-spanking new. I might not have spent more than a few clicks here without it. Eden wants to encourage new shoppers, too. less

OKAY now that I'm not all up in here on a cell phone trying to read and sound intelligent I'm gonna give this a go.

First of all: hi, everyone. Hi EF staff members. Hi indignant members. Sorry I'm late; you all know I like making a splashy entrance but this is a bit excessive for me.

Anyway... This post is going to be long so if you're in a rush, the summary is the last paragraph.

I've raised the idea of an Eden point bank (see Amazon, for what I mean) where you 'cash in' your codes and it remembers them and applies them to your order like a million times, and it's a really good idea. The awesome part about this is that it lets you choose if you'd like to utilize your points or pay by cash/etc. on a specific order. That's one option. (A really awesome option.)

I think that 'locking' points to one account is kind of tricksy and kind of a bad idea. Here's why: I want to give my good friend Wallawallabingbang (not a real person) a giftcard to here because I'm really nice and kind of kinky. I can no longer give her my earned points because they are ~*locked*~ to me. And, as much as I like Wallawallabingbang, I don't want to give her my hard earned money cuz, you know, I got billz. An option for people like me and Wallawalla (as well as our international friends) to create giftcards out of our points, with it being on record with the Admin so they can track it and make sure neither Wallawalla nor I are shady ladies would be nice.


While I understand that this is a lot of money in, what is effectively, stolen merchandise, I'm really surprised you'd call it the rule, rather than the exception. I'm going to be completely and totally honest, here: I've logged over $700 in points, since it (and I) became active. Would I call myself a point farmer? Well, I mean, I'd be rather offended if someone were to label me that, since I do put a lot of work into all of my endeavors on this site, forum posts, reviews and comments alike. So that's proof positive that it CAN be done if you're willing to spend a LOT of time on the site. Even so, if this is the rule, rather than the exception, clearly there need to be a significant number of changes to prevent the abuse that we are seeing here.


That being said, y'all: this is a business, and you have the right to refuse anyone's business you choose. If someone is abusing the system, you are well within your rights to decline the sale to them. Just keep that in mind. And to the other y'all (the ones that DON'T work for EF): while I understand we all put a lot of work into earning our points, this is, essentially, a customer loyalty program: and they DO have the right to change, modify or ELIMINATE this program whenever they feel like it. They aren't doing any of those things, they're just trying to make so they don't get the end of the stick where they lose lots of money.


Annyywayyy, the synopsis of this post is that I'm not gonna get my panties all twisted because they keep reassuring us that this is all ~*temporary*~ and this way I'll have plenty of panty left to twist if there's a revolution or whatever tomorrow. less

"I also think making the Advanced Reviewer Program a little more difficult to get into...would help a LOT!"

I think you hit the nail on the head there. Good Lord, there seems to be an entire screen of new reviewers each week. When I log in in the morning before work there are always one or two reviews up for advancement and by lunchtime they are already voted in.

I think it might help if you limited points to those who earn Advanced Reviewer status. I don't know I think it is silly to give points to everyone just for surfing your site and not putting anything into the community. less

Morning, guys!

So, first a recap, and then a update.

Here's the re-cap part: Gift cards have been limited to one gift card per order to cut down on point farming... I think the appropriate word here is "jerks"? Yes, let's go with "point farming jerks".

And it cannot be reiterated enough: this is a temporary fix. I saw some posts from last night that seem to suggest this word was painfully glossed over and caused the poster(s) major headache as a result. We don't want you to have headaches, so again, the implementation is temporary, you can stop chewing your Excedrin tablets now!

To those of you that posted your support both for us and the other contributors, thank you for being very awesome. If you look under your chair, you'll find your very own new car! Okay, maybe not, but symbolically a car is there and it is powered by love. Thank you

So, now that we've had a recap, let's move on to the...

Official Update

Any gift cards that are outside of the EdenPoints gift cards will be unlimited.

Users can apply unlimited EdenPoints gift cards, so long as they do so from their account. They will not be able to integrate any points or gift cards from other accounts. The user will be required to be logged into the appropriate account to apply their EdenPoints gift cards.

This ensures there is no cross-account activity, and it also ensures that those of you who do receive multiple gift cards for your awesome kick-assery will not be punished.

The estimate for this change is going to run about 3 days. Updates will be posted as they come!

This will also be a temporary fix, because in the long run we have a few more fun bells and whistles planned that will reward you as contributors and keep abusers out of your hair less

Morning, guys!

So, first a recap, and then a update.

Here's the re-cap part: Gift cards have been limited to one gift card per order to cut down on point farming... I think the appropriate word here is "jerks"? Yes, let's go with "point farming jerks".

And it cannot be reiterated enough: this is a temporary fix. I saw some posts from last night that seem to suggest this word was painfully glossed over and caused the poster(s) major headache as a result. We don't want you to have headaches, so again, the implementation is temporary, you can stop chewing your Excedrin tablets now!

To those of you that posted your support both for us and the other contributors, thank you for being very awesome. If you look under your chair, you'll find your very own new car! Okay, maybe not, but symbolically a car is there and it is powered by love. Thank you

So, now that we've had a recap, let's move on to the...

Official Update

Any gift cards that are outside of the EdenPoints gift cards will be unlimited.

Users can apply unlimited EdenPoints gift cards, so long as they do so from their account. They will not be able to integrate any points or gift cards from other accounts. The user will be required to be logged into the appropriate account to apply their EdenPoints gift cards.

This ensures there is no cross-account activity, and it also ensures that those of you who do receive multiple gift cards for your awesome kick-assery will not be punished.

The estimate for this change is going to run about 3 days. Updates will be posted as they come!

This will also be a temporary fix, because in the long run we have a few more fun bells and whistles planned that will reward you as contributors and keep abusers out of your hair less

Just for clarification, can we use gift cards generated from other accounts at all? As I said yesterday, I have donated points to other contributors and currently have a repayment GC of about $20 in my possession. Does this mean I will never be able to use this or is that only part of the temporary change? Thanks again. less

No problem, Kindred!

So, Jaimes and I and a few others have taken the "gifting" of points into consideration. That is something we will work on as part of a long-term solution, too.

The only time the account comes into question with the gift cards is if it's a point-generated gift card. All other gift cards will not depend on whether or not you are signed in. less

Morning, guys!

So, first a recap, and then a update.

Here's the re-cap part: Gift cards have been limited to one gift card per order to cut down on point farming... I think the appropriate word here is "jerks"? Yes, let's go with "point farming jerks".

And it cannot be reiterated enough: this is a temporary fix. I saw some posts from last night that seem to suggest this word was painfully glossed over and caused the poster(s) major headache as a result. We don't want you to have headaches, so again, the implementation is temporary, you can stop chewing your Excedrin tablets now!

To those of you that posted your support both for us and the other contributors, thank you for being very awesome. If you look under your chair, you'll find your very own new car! Okay, maybe not, but symbolically a car is there and it is powered by love. Thank you

So, now that we've had a recap, let's move on to the...

Official Update

Any gift cards that are outside of the EdenPoints gift cards will be unlimited.

Users can apply unlimited EdenPoints gift cards, so long as they do so from their account. They will not be able to integrate any points or gift cards from other accounts. The user will be required to be logged into the appropriate account to apply their EdenPoints gift cards.

This ensures there is no cross-account activity, and it also ensures that those of you who do receive multiple gift cards for your awesome kick-assery will not be punished.

The estimate for this change is going to run about 3 days. Updates will be posted as they come!

This will also be a temporary fix, because in the long run we have a few more fun bells and whistles planned that will reward you as contributors and keep abusers out of your hair less

Thank you for the update. Much appreciated.

I need it explained as if I were a 4 year old, though.

Say I have $20.00 in points. May I also use a couple of GFs from doing videos of $25.00 each for the same order? What about the 2 or 3 bits of point GFs I have left over from other cash ins, that are about $7.00 or $8.00 each? How or when will I be able to use those?

Just because I'm dense.

Oh, and can I use that car to get to the grocery store and my kid's school? I need to go out today. less

Thanks, Redbox. I also think limiting how many votes one can give to upgrade people to Advanced Reviewer should not only NOT be rewarded with points, but should be limited to no more than 2 or 3 a month.

I see the same 4 or 5 people voting on EVERY single person who asks for upgrades. Why is this allowed to happen? A few of these reviewers do good work, but the vast majority of them need a lot of work on their reviews and most likely have done only the absolute minimum work to write a review, yet are voted into the Advanced Reviewer program by people, who from the look of it, have NOT read their reviews. I can count on ONE hand the number of people I have voted in who have only 2 or three reviews and are asking for an upgrade. Some people vote that many people in a WEEK! Why is this still being allowed to happen? Are these people voting in alter egos? What would be the impetus to vote for every single person who asks for an upgrade, without even reading their reviews? This is part of the problem.

In the last few weeks I have seen several fairly awful reviews with the comment "GREAT REVIEW!" and an high vote all from the same persons. It only leads me to think a few people are voting on reviews they do not read, people are voting others into the Advanced Reviewer Program without reading those peoples' reviews and that things need to be tightened up to prevent this from continuing to happen.

Also, when a community member reports that they have seen something less than kosher going on, an IP search of the person being reported should be undertaken immediately. The members of the site see A LOT! less

OKAY now that I'm not all up in here on a cell phone trying to read and sound intelligent I'm gonna give this a go.

First of all: hi, everyone. Hi EF staff members. Hi indignant members. Sorry I'm late; you all know I like making a splashy entrance but this is a bit excessive for me.

Anyway... This post is going to be long so if you're in a rush, the summary is the last paragraph.

I've raised the idea of an Eden point bank (see Amazon, for what I mean) where you 'cash in' your codes and it remembers them and applies them to your order like a million times, and it's a really good idea. The awesome part about this is that it lets you choose if you'd like to utilize your points or pay by cash/etc. on a specific order. That's one option. (A really awesome option.)

I think that 'locking' points to one account is kind of tricksy and kind of a bad idea. Here's why: I want to give my good friend Wallawallabingbang (not a real person) a giftcard to here because I'm really nice and kind of kinky. I can no longer give her my earned points because they are ~*locked*~ to me. And, as much as I like Wallawallabingbang, I don't want to give her my hard earned money cuz, you know, I got billz. An option for people like me and Wallawalla (as well as our international friends) to create giftcards out of our points, with it being on record with the Admin so they can track it and make sure neither Wallawalla nor I are shady ladies would be nice.


While I understand that this is a lot of money in, what is effectively, stolen merchandise, I'm really surprised you'd call it the rule, rather than the exception. I'm going to be completely and totally honest, here: I've logged over $700 in points, since it (and I) became active. Would I call myself a point farmer? Well, I mean, I'd be rather offended if someone were to label me that, since I do put a lot of work into all of my endeavors on this site, forum posts, reviews and comments alike. So that's proof positive that it CAN be done if you're willing to spend a LOT of time on the site. Even so, if this is the rule, rather than the exception, clearly there need to be a significant number of changes to prevent the abuse that we are seeing here.


That being said, y'all: this is a business, and you have the right to refuse anyone's business you choose. If someone is abusing the system, you are well within your rights to decline the sale to them. Just keep that in mind. And to the other y'all (the ones that DON'T work for EF): while I understand we all put a lot of work into earning our points, this is, essentially, a customer loyalty program: and they DO have the right to change, modify or ELIMINATE this program whenever they feel like it. They aren't doing any of those things, they're just trying to make so they don't get the end of the stick where they lose lots of money.


Annyywayyy, the synopsis of this post is that I'm not gonna get my panties all twisted because they keep reassuring us that this is all ~*temporary*~ and this way I'll have plenty of panty left to twist if there's a revolution or whatever tomorrow. less

Morning, guys!

So, first a recap, and then a update.

Here's the re-cap part: Gift cards have been limited to one gift card per order to cut down on point farming... I think the appropriate word here is "jerks"? Yes, let's go with "point farming jerks".

And it cannot be reiterated enough: this is a temporary fix. I saw some posts from last night that seem to suggest this word was painfully glossed over and caused the poster(s) major headache as a result. We don't want you to have headaches, so again, the implementation is temporary, you can stop chewing your Excedrin tablets now!

To those of you that posted your support both for us and the other contributors, thank you for being very awesome. If you look under your chair, you'll find your very own new car! Okay, maybe not, but symbolically a car is there and it is powered by love. Thank you

So, now that we've had a recap, let's move on to the...

Official Update

Any gift cards that are outside of the EdenPoints gift cards will be unlimited.

Users can apply unlimited EdenPoints gift cards, so long as they do so from their account. They will not be able to integrate any points or gift cards from other accounts. The user will be required to be logged into the appropriate account to apply their EdenPoints gift cards.

This ensures there is no cross-account activity, and it also ensures that those of you who do receive multiple gift cards for your awesome kick-assery will not be punished.

The estimate for this change is going to run about 3 days. Updates will be posted as they come!

This will also be a temporary fix, because in the long run we have a few more fun bells and whistles planned that will reward you as contributors and keep abusers out of your hair less