Material Mis-labeling on Love Pacifier Series...?

Contributor: Cinnamon Chambers Cinnamon Chambers
I wonder what other companies are unreliable in labeling 100% silicone but it isn't.

Great Red. I can't wait to see what you find out.
03/16/2009
Contributor: Oggins Oggins
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Originally posted by Red
I am an organic chemist, but not in the field of polymers. I have two experiments in mind to test this out that I will do tonight, when the lab is empty. My love pacifier might not survive tho, but I'll take this one for the team.

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Wow! Serious kudos to you and your scientific abilities! I'm definitely interested in the outcome for sure! It's almost like an adult science fair project. =P It would be kind of neat if it were possible to hold such an event. You can bet that I would be there to check it out! =)
03/16/2009
Contributor: DreamyLove DreamyLove
I emailed Cal Exotics once last year about this when the Love Pacifiers started to be labeled as silicone and the person that emailed me back said it was 100% silicone. I have yet to do a boiling test on mine, but it sure doesn't smell like TPR, even when it's up to your nose.
03/16/2009
Contributor: Cinnamon Chambers Cinnamon Chambers
I agree with dreamyLove. Mine do not smell, and I have boiled mine. There have been no problems with boiling them.
03/16/2009
Contributor: Red Red
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Originally posted by DreamyLove
I emailed Cal Exotics once last year about this when the Love Pacifiers started to be labeled as silicone and the person that emailed me back said it was 100% silicone. I have yet to do a boiling test on mine, but it sure doesn't smell like TPR, ... more
LOL I read your comment so fast I thought you wrote "Up your nose"
03/17/2009
Contributor: Red Red
So, I put it to the test. My love pacifier stayed very malleable at -78C, not at all brittle. In fact, I would say it's "bendability" stayed the exact same as it is at room temperature, and as it is after it comes out of a pot of boiling water.

But I don't know enough about TPR blends to say that this for sure means it's not TPR. The reading I've done says TPR blends tend to get brittle somewhere around -25C.

As for dissolving it....well, my love pacifier is now missing a chunk (just in the handle), which I cut up into 8 pieces and put into vials with a variety of solvents, and it didn't seem to dissolve in anything. I put it in hexanes (think: gasoline), acetone (think: nail polish remover), toluene (think: paint thinner), as well as ethyl acetate, butanol, dimethyl sulphoxide, dicholoromethane and tetrahydrofuran. And of course, it doesn't dissolve in water either. *shrug*. I'll check in on the silicone chunks tomorrow, and in a few days, to see if they're swelling and/or dissolving. I will also eventually dry down the solvents to see if they've extracted anything (if anything is dissolving out of this material I will be able to see a residue)....but preliminary results say this stuff is pretty inert to these organic solvents.

Now I should note, there are some pretty skookum plastics out there that are pretty solvent resistant. However, they're real spendy. It wouldn't make much sense, in my mind, to go to the trouble of labeling something as 100% silicone, and then making it out of high quality plastics instead of silicone - we're talking the same price category here, at least in lab land.

As noted previously, I will follow up in a few days, I am still quite open to seeing the error in my ways here (please chime in if you have any other info), and although I am an organic chemist, I am not a polymer chemist, or a silicone chemist, and finally, I am for all intents and purposes, just an anonymous person posting on an internet forum. So take it with a grain of salt.
03/17/2009
Contributor: Cinnamon Chambers Cinnamon Chambers
This is outstanding!! Thanks Red!
03/17/2009
Contributor: Victoria Victoria
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Originally posted by Red
So, I put it to the test. My love pacifier stayed very malleable at -78C, not at all brittle. In fact, I would say it's "bendability" stayed the exact same as it is at room temperature, and as it is after it comes out of a pot of ... more
Excellent work, Red. WOW - you really went above and beyond. I'm super curious to hear the results!
03/17/2009
Contributor: Rufina Rufina
Red, I am really impressed by your scientific enthusiasm. Labeling this product as silicone TPR we were trying to be on the safe side. Because by US law you can call material silicone when it contains at least 10% of silicone and some manufacturers often misuse this label. Although I would love to get the complete list of elements in this or any other toy I've read it is a really complicated thing to perform chemical analysis on silicone or any other polymer. We value and trust your opinion and decided to classify this toy as a silicone one. The change has been made. Thank you all for the valuable discussion and caring.
03/17/2009
Contributor: PurpleReign PurpleReign
And...it goes without saying, that is why this is a great community around a responsible and responsive company.

Absolutely admirable work Red!

I'll treat them now as silicone as well (...though I'm still a bit puzzled by the persistent chemical smell; maybe I have an older one, with a slightly different composition).
03/17/2009
Contributor: Red Red
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Originally posted by Rufina
Red, I am really impressed by your scientific enthusiasm. Labeling this product as silicone TPR we were trying to be on the safe side. Because by US law you can call material silicone when it contains at least 10% of silicone and some manufacturers ... more
Oh wow, I really didn't expect this to happen - warm fuzzies! I totally give you props for staying on the safe side with this kind of stuff, however. How f*ckt up is it that that we can't trust what manufactures say about the "ingredients" in a toy? I wonder if it's b/c of the novelty thing....and I wonder if that applies to other stuff, like kitchen equipment, kids toys, etc? I hope the voices of annoyed consumers get loud enough that that law changes! I also wonder if it's the same standard in Canada - bet it is. I wish I had a lawyer friend whose brain I could pick

And yep, you are right - the analysis techniques I could think of wouldn't give a definitive answer and would be real tough to do on something that won't dissolve.

I will still be following up on this to see if there's any swelling or dissolving of the pieces after a few more days.

Thanks to everyone for the props, but I was just doing two things I love - playing with chemicals AND sex toys Who'd have thought I could combine the two!
03/18/2009
Contributor: Metis Black Metis Black
OK I officially have a crush on Red now.
10/10/2009
Contributor: Red Red
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Originally posted by Metis Black
OK I officially have a crush on Red now.
Aw hehe, blush! Now-a-days, I would use the infamous flaming test (brilliant and simple and way more direct than freezing with dry ice) that you introduced us to
10/12/2009
Contributor: Saraid Saraid
Did anyone ever do the simple fire test?
10/12/2009
Contributor: Angel deSanguine Angel deSanguine
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Did anyone ever do the simple fire test?
I just did it with mine... just a black mark (and a slightly burned thumb... I had a DA moment and touched it to wipe off the black mark. I blame it on my long day at work.)
10/12/2009
Contributor: daniel and frances daniel and frances
I think I need to start paying more attention to the packaging...
04/30/2011
Contributor: ScottA ScottA
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Originally posted by daniel and frances
I think I need to start paying more attention to the packaging...
Packaging often is the least reliable source, as it is designed to sell the product.
04/30/2011
Contributor: M121212 M121212
Wow, interesting experiments!
06/18/2011
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by Red
I am an organic chemist, but not in the field of polymers. I have two experiments in mind to test this out that I will do tonight, when the lab is empty. My love pacifier might not survive tho, but I'll take this one for the team.

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Now if only the Challenger shuttle's engineers had cared as much about their o-rings as Red cares about her Love Pacifiers...

I loved this thread, good work Red!
06/18/2011