Kind Upset With Some Of The Stuff I Am Seeing On Here!

Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
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Originally posted by PeaceToTheMiddleEast
Yes I get what you are saying now Alice. I did not think about that part of it.
yaaay.
03/07/2012
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
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Originally posted by - Kira -
Alice, your ass always looks hot in your reviews!! Just sayin'.
haha... i know. thats why i said that.
03/07/2012
Contributor: PeaceToTheMiddleEast PeaceToTheMiddleEast
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Originally posted by indiglo
You sound really frustrated, and I’m sorry to hear that. I thought I’d offer a few ideas that might help you, if that’s ok.

Sometimes the day or time of day you publish a review can make a difference in how quickly it gets bumped off the ... more
Thank you so much indiglo, for all the information that really helped me out. I was frustrated but now that I understand from what you guy's said. It is becoming a little clearer. All I wanted was answers and that is what I am getting. Everyone is always so helpful. I did not mean to be to harsh but sometimes it happens. Now I can breath and keep looking for all the insight from everyone.
03/07/2012
Contributor: Loriandhubby Loriandhubby
I am so new to EF it is crazy. But I saw this and just wanted to chime in a little. I do not understand the vote and rating very well. I know they are connected somehow. But for me, I read a review for a product ( and before I had any clue at all what EF review program was about ) if the review seemed to give me some information I would vote useful or very useful. I never vote for ones that don't seem to have much information. IDK why, I just have not.
But I am starting to ..

Now that I joined the community and started doing a few reviews myself I'm starting to understand what the voting is all about so I make it a point to follow people now and have alerts for new reviews sent to my email so I can read them. I did this not for the idea of voting for them but really to see others reviews without having to search for a product to find them. This way I can read lots of reviews and get more ideas of how I can improve my own reviews. But I DO vote for every review that I read now.

Since I am now writing reviews I see how exciting it is to get a new comment or vote on your review. It gives you a seance of pride and accomplishment. It lets you know you did good and helped someone.

Rest assured every review that comes my way I am voting for. I don't always comment because I'm lazy and don't like to type much sometime. But I am voting !!!!
03/07/2012
Contributor: NurseKitty NurseKitty
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Originally posted by PeaceToTheMiddleEast
I am starting to see now that people don't return the favor, but you know what that is fine. It is just called common courtesy, but I guess not everyone thinks the way I do.
No I don't think voting on your review is a common courtesy. I think that sort of thinking is against the very idea of what EF's review program is all about.

We write reviews so that other people can learn something about the product from real people who have tried them. Notice that EF has no manufacturer advertising junk in the information sections.

The voting process is a way for people to express how useful your information is and for you to take as feedback. It shouldn't be an expectation that because you voted on my review that I now should feel that to be polite I go back and look at one of yours and vote on it. That's no different than saying "I did this for you so you should do this for me"

I only read reviews on products that I am interested in and that I may actually buy one day. I do follow some reviewers because I have found their reviews to be of the highest quality and full of great information. That being said I do not read all of their reviews, just ones on products I have interest in. I also don't expect them to look at any of mine just because I read theirs.

This really smacks of a popularity contest where you want to know why all your friends didn't vote for you and you are angry because you voted for them. Honestly I would suggest asking yourself what you can improve about your reviews that will make people want to read them or how you can build your reputation up that of some of our premier reviewers instead of getting upset because people you voted on haven't "returned the favor"
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    I am personally offended by this
03/07/2012
Contributor: PeaceToTheMiddleEast PeaceToTheMiddleEast
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Originally posted by Loriandhubby
I am so new to EF it is crazy. But I saw this and just wanted to chime in a little. I do not understand the vote and rating very well. I know they are connected somehow. But for me, I read a review for a product ( and before I had any clue at all ... more
Welcome to EF. Also yes sometimes I don't get to comment a lot too because by time I am done getting through my email my fingers are tired. But I will vote all day long.

I think that is another point you brought up, I want to see that I did something useful to help someone. Especially for the product I chose. I read through the comments on the page of the product to see what people had said about it. So I was useful in giving the information that I could to give them a peace of mind that it would not hurt to try it.
03/07/2012
Contributor: PeaceToTheMiddleEast PeaceToTheMiddleEast
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Originally posted by NurseKitty
No I don't think voting on your review is a common courtesy. I think that sort of thinking is against the very idea of what EF's review program is all about.

We write reviews so that other people can learn something about the product ... more
I did not say my friends did not vote because to be honest they do so there how you like that one. I am not here for popularity if that was the case I be up there in the 8's or 9's not a 5.5. My reviews are just fine and I have done well since I started on here from my first review.
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    This is unacceptable / Against the Expectations of Conduct
03/07/2012
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
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Originally posted by NurseKitty
No I don't think voting on your review is a common courtesy. I think that sort of thinking is against the very idea of what EF's review program is all about.

We write reviews so that other people can learn something about the product ... more
very well said, nursekitty. i second everything said here.
03/07/2012
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
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Originally posted by PeaceToTheMiddleEast
I did not say my friends did not vote because to be honest they do so there how you like that one. I am not here for popularity if that was the case I be up there in the 8's or 9's not a 5.5. My reviews are just fine and I have done well ... more
"so there how you like that one."

this kind of attitude is really not what this community is about!

please don't take out your anger over things you've misunderstood on this community. we're not perfect or anything close, but we do try to keep a jovial and respectful tone. this is not what this whole thread has been like.

you should really reevaluate how you're coming off to people. it's rude. and really uncalled for.

noone is owed anything on EF except for respect. it is not disrespectful to not vote on someone's review just because they voted on yours. you're really missing the whole point. i recommend taking a day off the forums to cool down, then re-read and digest what folks who have been here a long time have said, and all with good intentions. nobody is trying to attack you, and there's no need for you to attack us.
03/07/2012
Contributor: PeaceToTheMiddleEast PeaceToTheMiddleEast
Great I got flagged. I was not trying to be rude but I did not appreciate what she said either. I am not here for popularity if I was I would have been talking about my rank instead of reviews.
03/07/2012
Contributor: Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama
Oh wow...I came to this thread thinking you were frustrated about the same thing I was (seeing a 7 minute video review that sucked...had no written review and is being kept up - and yes - I did contact JR about it) and instead I see it is about this.

I must be horrible then. I have 247 people who follow me. I follow 33 (I cut it down recently and will probably cut it down more). Of those 33 I get alerts when ONE PERSON posts a review..that is it. I do plan to add two more people - maybe three - when I return home from a trip.

I go to reviews from my wall when I see someone commenting on a review. I'll go to a review if the product interests me, or I know the reviewer and want to read what they're saying or if there are comments on the review that get me interested in it for some reason. Other than that - I don't have the time to go to reviews very often (unless I'm shopping for something).

I hope the 247 people who follow me aren't feeling the way you do - because it's truly not personal. I don't have the time to read everyone's reviews and when I followed over 70 people, my wall moved so fast that I felt like I wasn't keeping up with the people I really cared about the most and contacted the most. That's why I cut way back.

15 votes isn't bad...wow...I have a lot of reviews that have 6 of 7 votes and I've been COTM and won the rumble two or three times - and I still have reviews that don't have 15 votes.

Sorry that you were upset...hope things go better for you and maybe folks have helped you feel better.
03/07/2012
Contributor: NarcissisticLust NarcissisticLust
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Originally posted by PeaceToTheMiddleEast
This really has been bugging the crap out of me. This is the second time within the past couple weeks. I sat and worked my ass off for this last review I did on The Nexus iStim. I even did a video, which I was nervous about doing. Now the review is ... more
This is bad taste. If you enjoy being involved with EF, continue, but don't expect a gold sticker for it.
03/07/2012
Contributor: PeaceToTheMiddleEast PeaceToTheMiddleEast
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Originally posted by Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama
Oh wow...I came to this thread thinking you were frustrated about the same thing I was (seeing a 7 minute video review that sucked...had no written review and is being kept up - and yes - I did contact JR about it) and instead I see it is about ... more
Thank you HNST I know you are busy. I do see that you vote when you can. Yes I got a lot of helpful information and that is all I was looking for. I did not mean to attack anyone and or offend anyone. I was just looking for answers to why. I just don't want people thinking I am saying this for popularity because that is not the case.
03/07/2012
Contributor: Silverdrop Silverdrop
This misses the entire point.

We aren't supposed to be writing reviews for each other to read. They're supposed to be helping shoppers. Eden rewards us for writing reviews and for rating other reviewers with points and rank and review items. There is no way I'm going to try keeping a list of everyone who commented or voted on my reviews so I can make sure I reciprocate evenly. That's not a very effective use of my time, and it's not the way I prefer to use the site.
03/07/2012
Contributor: - Kira - - Kira -
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Originally posted by aliceinthehole
"so there how you like that one."

this kind of attitude is really not what this community is about!

please don't take out your anger over things you've misunderstood on this community. we're not perfect or anything ... more
This.
03/07/2012
Contributor: NurseKitty NurseKitty
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Originally posted by PeaceToTheMiddleEast
I did not say my friends did not vote because to be honest they do so there how you like that one. I am not here for popularity if that was the case I be up there in the 8's or 9's not a 5.5. My reviews are just fine and I have done well ... more
Then please clarify what the anger is over? This is what you have said in a number of posts

"If you can't return the favor for me, even if you don't comment at least vote.....Now I want you to tell me on this poll that if you don't vote and return the favor, I want you to let me know now. So I can stop wasting my precious time. For all those that want to get up there real fast well it won't be coming from my end. I will not help those out anymore."

And "I am starting to see now that people don't return the favor, but you know what that is fine. It is just called common courtesy, but I guess not everyone thinks the way I do."

What I was trying to point out was that this line of thinking is everything EF rather discourages in the review program.

Secondly, I was trying to point out the same thing Airen Wolf was is that your tone on this forum is coming off as very much like all you are trying to do is milk the ranking system, for lack of a better term and that it does not sit well with a number of the reviewers here who put a lot of time into trying to put together reviews that help the shoppers, not gain votes.

Thirdly, you say you are looking for advice but you lash out when I offer you a suggestion to go over your reviews and think about why they are not garnering votes like you want. This is not an attack, it really is meant to foster some thought on your part so that you can ask yourself "hey what is it about my review that is not getting votes?" I asked myself that after my first couple of reviews did not get great votes. I took Hot 'N Sexy Texas Moma's (my first and most wonderful editor) advice and got a mentor through the program. I could have gotten all offended and told her "my reviews are fine" but I decided looking at the great reviews she wrote she knew something and I took her advice. I am SO glad that I did, I think the quality of my reviews are much better, but more importantly my mentor taught me how to key into what people are interested in reading.

I'm sorry you are so frustrated, but perhaps you need to take a step back away from the review program if it is angering you so much that people are not voting. Perhaps you need to re-evaluate why you are doing this and what makes it enjoyable for you.
03/07/2012
Contributor: wildorchid wildorchid
Oookay well I hope everyone feels better in a couple of days and JustLikeHeaven, it sounds like you really are listening to things people have to say. I'm sorry you are frustrated however, I seriously doubt people reading your reviews (or not) ever meant to frustrate you. What I am going to say next is simply my personal opinion, my own two cents on this topic and is not meant to offend you or as a personal attack. So please try not to take it that way ok?

We all know Eden is a great community for those of us who are contributors. I know of no other site that makes me feel as welcomed as Eden has done. I love to read reviews and chat with contributors about products. What I have found in the short month and a bit I have been here is that sometimes people forget or don't realize that Eden is first an foremost a site that SELLS sex toys. The community is a perk for those of us who use it. But, the site is flooded daily with regular shoppers who read our reviews that we worked hard on and don't comment, vote, like or rate the review. Do you know how many people may click on the reviews we wrote and not even read them properly?

I personally am quite content with whatever recognition people choose to give me. If contributors felt obligated in any way to do so, then it would not mean the same thing as an honest comment or vote that someone took the time to write/click.

Again, this is just my two cents. I really hope that you do feel better. Message me if you need someone to talk to ok?
03/07/2012
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
Alice, Airen, and HSTM are all going on the right direction.

The Review Program is for the customer or anyone who comes along and wants to read more about a product. Product reviews totally show up in search results too.

Rather than stating what went wrong on this thread or how it started, I'd rather direct readers to the Expectations of Conduct.

If (general) you feels an intense emotional need to post something on a forum thread, review, or anything online - don't. Don't post it. It's better to stay quiet and calm down rather than post something that may feel good but make matters worse after the fact.
03/08/2012
Contributor: Gary Gary
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Originally posted by PeaceToTheMiddleEast
This really has been bugging the crap out of me. This is the second time within the past couple weeks. I sat and worked my ass off for this last review I did on The Nexus iStim. I even did a video, which I was nervous about doing. Now the review is ... more
I can appreciate your frustration, however, I think you are taking the voting a little too personal. Yes, a lot of work does go into writing reviews and creating videos... even more sometimes when you are very particular about getting everything just right.

EF does give you points for your work every time to thank you. And even though you may not realize it, your reviews and videos make such a huge difference to the people who are considering the products that you review. The voting system for reviews can be helpful for offering feedback and suggestions. It can also boost or lower a reviewers enthusiasm based on the individual feedback.

But there are a few tings that I would recommend that you keep in mind for the future:

- the purpose of the reviews, are to help people who are considering purchasing the products

- we have over 500 reviews being published per week at this point, and to expect that your average contributor has the ability to read and comment on all of them is just not a realistic expectation

- finally, just because you feel your review deserved a better response than it got, does not mean that your review is not a great review.
03/08/2012
Contributor: Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama
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Originally posted by PeaceToTheMiddleEast
I am starting to see now that people don't return the favor, but you know what that is fine. It is just called common courtesy, but I guess not everyone thinks the way I do.
I want to make a statement but I want you to know that it is NOT directed personally at your reviews. I'm thinking about reviews in general.

You talk about common courtesy and voting on reviews - but there are times I will read a review and out of courtesy, I won't vote on it because I honestly can't give it an EU or a U vote. Out of courtesy and not wanting to hurt someone's rank, I will just close out of the review and walk away. Sometimes it is a newer reviewer and other times it is someone who may have been around for a while but I can tell the review isn't one of their best. I read a review recently where I felt like I was reading porn as the person talked about gushing with a product and how it will work for "everyone", etc. etc. and I knew it wouldn't work for everyone (I have it) and the way they described the gushing and stuff was just...I don't know - it didn't appeal to me at all. I have noticed it is part of their style...so I backed out and didn't vote....out of courtesy for them.

I understand it can be discouraging when you're newer here and trying to get folks to read your reviews, let alone vote and post on them. It really does take time to build up a "following" of folks who read your reviews - I probably had at least 75 reviews up before I started seeing more folks following me - and I have no idea how many have alerts set (I'm assuming not all of the 200+ who follow me).

I hope you understand somehow that it isn't that we don't care - but it is simply that many of us have limited time for reading reviews because we're so busy writing our own, etc.

I hope you feel better somehow after this discussion. Poor JR - I know that sometimes I've dumped on him (or on friends here privately) when I've gotten frustrated about stuff. I find that sometimes my friends will help me get a different perspective....I hope you can develop some good friendships here with folks you can message and vent with.

Have a great day!
03/08/2012
Contributor: Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
Alice, Airen, and HSTM are all going on the right direction.

The Review Program is for the customer or anyone who comes along and wants to read more about a product. Product reviews totally show up in search results too.

Rather than ... more
Thanks to the link to the Expectations of Conduct - I'd never seen that before.

You rock!
03/08/2012
Contributor: PeaceToTheMiddleEast PeaceToTheMiddleEast
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
Alice, Airen, and HSTM are all going on the right direction.

The Review Program is for the customer or anyone who comes along and wants to read more about a product. Product reviews totally show up in search results too.

Rather than ... more
Thanks JR for the information.
03/08/2012
Contributor: PeaceToTheMiddleEast PeaceToTheMiddleEast
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Originally posted by Hot 'N Sexy TexasMama
I want to make a statement but I want you to know that it is NOT directed personally at your reviews. I'm thinking about reviews in general.

You talk about common courtesy and voting on reviews - but there are times I will read a review ... more
Yes I remember you did say that some time ago. That you will read but you will not vote if you don't feel it is the right thing to do. This is the stuff I am looking for to hear from people. I am over it now. I got it out. I just don't get how people can't speak their mind if something is bothering them. Times have changed and not a lot of people are as open minded as some or get what some one is trying to say.

Anyways Thank you for the information. That is to everyone that gave good insight on to things I did not see at the time I was writing this post. Guess my bi polar got the best of me yesterday. After awhile it sunk in and I sat back and re looked at things.

You have a safe trip HNSTM. Come back safe.

Thank you again.
03/08/2012
Contributor: Nora Nora
I NEVER go looking for people who voted on my reviews...I appreciate that they took the time to vote if they read it, but they can be sure that if they see me vote on one of their reviews it is purely by accident. If I had a single review with 15 votes (I currently have 14 reviews completed and one more to write up this week), and took the time to go and read (and then vote) on a review for each voter...I'd be here all day!

I have a business to run, toys to test, reviews to write, baby stuff to organize, cloth diapers to sew, crib sheets to make...oh, and a house to attempt to keep clean!

I do however take the time to read comments on my reviews and respond when needed (sizing questions, etc...)...see I "do" care!
03/08/2012
Contributor: Breas Breas
Haven't read the entire thread yet here but just wanted to say I always try and check out your new reviews. Even if I don't always comment, I always vote Hope we are still friends!
03/08/2012