Copy/Pasting Toy/Material information in reviews... is it legit?

Contributor: Jobthingy Jobthingy
I always remeasure my toys. Just to be sure. It is usually spot on or off by maybe a quarter of an inch.

Then I post that as opposed to what is written on the page.
12/03/2010
Contributor: Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
If I took a class and the teacher asked me to write a report on the Civil War - and then docked me on my grade for not including information on the Vietnam War, I'd be a little pissed.

I know a lot of people like to see specs in a review and that most of us conform and put them there but, in reality, it's unfair to hold people to standards that are NOT required.

Products that have different ingredients than those listed should have that mentioned. For example, I recently reviewed a clitoral arousal gel that had changed formulations.

Products that have changed materials should be noted. For example, the Rabbit Pearl I reviewed was elastomer, they had upgraded it from Jelly.

If a product's size differs from the specs, it should be noted. Glass and wood toys have this happen frequently since they are all handmade and variations are natural.

But, I'll be frank here, it's unfair to any reviewer to rate them poorly because you dislike looking at specs and info on the designated pages for those specs and info.

Review templates have a word count for a reason. Is it really more useful to have specs and ingredients repeated than to hear more about how the toy worked and felt?

If you must include specs, rewording them is the way to do it. As Scott mentioned, it's pretty easy to work them into the rest of your review so they flow well. But they are not required at all.

Even the extended template does not ask for exact specs. It asks " Did you like the design? Your opinion of shape and how it supposed to work and how it worked for you. What's your opinion of the size? Is this size better for beginner or more advanced users? Is this toy easy to hide? Is this toy discreet and/or suitable for travel?"

The Descriptive Review Program Guidelines state, clearly, " Include all features/functions of vibes, types offasteners on harnesses, etc. Don't worry about technical details likemeasurements, material, etc. We'll still be providing the toy properties on the page as we do now."

Remember that reviews are for customers more than voting fodder for other reviewers. It's SO cool that we have such an active community that spends so much time reading, rating and commenting on each other's reviews. Rating is a personal thing and we should all feel free to do it honestly - but we should not be holding people to standards that are above what is required by EdenFantasys itself or penalizing someone for not including information that EdenFantasys makes readily available on every single product page.

And, finally, if you have a product that is measuring differently or has different ingredients or a different material, not only include that info in your review but do a support ticket.

We can't check - and adjust as needed - the info if no one reports it.
12/03/2010
Contributor: Nicky Nicky
I usually reword the measurements given by the manufacturer rather than copy and paste. I didn't realize they could be wrong though, so I think I'll start measuring the toys I get just to be sure.
12/05/2010
Contributor: Envy Envy
Copy and paste? Talk about no effort there. You can easily incorporate it into the regular reading of the review, plus sometimes some measurements can be off (just slightly, not always, but it happens) and I just like to double check.
12/05/2010
Contributor: ToyGeek ToyGeek
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Originally posted by Nicky
I usually reword the measurements given by the manufacturer rather than copy and paste. I didn't realize they could be wrong though, so I think I'll start measuring the toys I get just to be sure.
If my measurements are different than the manufacturer's, but really close, I just phrase it as "approximately" since in some types of toys there is a variance anyway.
12/05/2010
Contributor: GeekWife GeekWife
I'm going to openly admit that I did include a few measurements (after double checking them) in one of my (currently unpublished) reviews... BUT that I elaborated on how that measurement related in terms of size to my hand, etc. It was a large toy and I wanted numerical as well as relational size information in the review for a reason. I don't count that the same thing as copy/pasting the entire material description from the item page, which is obviously cheating a review.

Now I'm curious if I'm going to get voted down for including size info like that by someone thinking five words of my review are "plagiarized".
12/05/2010
Contributor: Airekah Airekah
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Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
I remeasure my toys since 75% of the time, the stats given are not 100% correct for the toys I have had.

I think it is ok to copy the material specs, but reword them. There is one sentence in most of my reviews that contains material info ... more
I do this too.
12/05/2010
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by GeekWife
I'm going to openly admit that I did include a few measurements (after double checking them) in one of my (currently unpublished) reviews... BUT that I elaborated on how that measurement related in terms of size to my hand, etc. It was a large ... more
There is nothing wrong with including size dimensions. They are required (I personally like to see them in a review, but they don't have to be there) No one is going to downvote you for including them.
12/05/2010
Contributor: Eeyor89 Eeyor89
In my Fresh wrist cuff review I included measurements from the product page (I re-worded it of corse to make it into some sentances). But I also measured the product my self and included what I found. For example the product page said that it would fit wrists from 6in. to 9in. I found out that they actualy fit wrists from like 4in to 9in.
12/05/2010
Contributor: Emma (Girl With Fire) Emma (Girl With Fire)
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Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
I don't know that every toy requires a tape measure being whipped out, but I do appreciate when people at least put some effort into rewording it and making it their own.
Ditto. I measure when a toy does not appear to be accurately portrayed in the description but otherwise I do not.
12/05/2010
Contributor: Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by P'Gell
There is nothing wrong with including size dimensions. They are required (I personally like to see them in a review, but they don't have to be there) No one is going to downvote you for including them.
No, they are not required.

People will often downvote if they are not (far more likely to occur than a downvote because they are there) but EF does not require them.

GeekWife, I would say the votes probably came because they were not there. Other reviewers like to see them in reviews and, unfortunately, votes reflect this, even though they aren't required.
12/05/2010
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by P'Gell
I feel that although including size and cleaning information in the review is not considered "necessary" according to reviewing guidelines, for me, it can make the difference (if included) between a "somewhat useful" and a ... more
Same here actually. I will include the details if I am making a point about the details. I hate having to jump around looking for information, though I will say I have relaxed about it quite a bit since the product info is on the review page and works without crashing my browser.
12/05/2010
Contributor: Love Buzz Love Buzz
I always measure all dimensions of toys I review and think that copying & pasting is both plagiarism and detrimental to the review program. If we are just going to accept the manufacturer's opinion regarding the size of toys & the materials they're made of why not accept the rest of the information they provide?

after being involved in EF I'd never again buy anything without reading reviews for the simple fact that what the manufacturers say about their own product isn't always correct and it's always aimed at selling the item.

If people are going to just copy & regurgitate info provided by a toy maker what's the point to having them review the toy? I know copying size & material is only a small portion of a review, but I really really hate it. I feel it takes away from the review programs integrity, but that's just my opinion
12/05/2010
Contributor: ToyGeek ToyGeek
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Originally posted by GeekWife
I'm going to openly admit that I did include a few measurements (after double checking them) in one of my (currently unpublished) reviews... BUT that I elaborated on how that measurement related in terms of size to my hand, etc. It was a large ... more
Sounds like you're using measurements exactly correctly -- including the information because you actually have something to say about it. The complaints are about people who either paste it verbatim instead of actually talking about it (which is what this thread is about), or people who mention that something's big without actually giving a number, which is acceptable by EF standards, but isn't cool with the in crowd.

This is just my opinion, but it can also be dangerous to include exact measurements of your own on a toy that has some variation -- the SSA Glass Amethyst has significant variation, apparently, as the one I received doesn't match itself on the view-actual-size screen, and yet the dimensions I described were different from those of another reviewer, who commented with a third set of measurements. If you say 'approximately' then your bases are covered.
12/05/2010
Contributor: cherryredhead88 cherryredhead88
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Originally posted by ToyGeek
Sounds like you're using measurements exactly correctly -- including the information because you actually have something to say about it. The complaints are about people who either paste it verbatim instead of actually talking about it (which is ... more
Yes, this. I am NOT referring to copy and pasting measurements in the reviews.

I am talking about literally copy and pasting, word for word, information about something that is already posted somewhere else, in words that are very mechanical and don't sound like the writer's voice, or don't match their tone, etc.

I personally don't down vote for not having measurements in reviews, because that is not what I am looking at the review for. Some on here are tough cookies and can be picky about that type of thing, but I read reviews to find out if the toy actually works/if you had a good experience with it/ if it was defective, etc.

I don't care about tit for tat shit (usually) but I do care if someone seems to be putting little effort into their reviews.
12/06/2010
Contributor: Illusional Illusional
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Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
I remeasure my toys since 75% of the time, the stats given are not 100% correct for the toys I have had.

I think it is ok to copy the material specs, but reword them. There is one sentence in most of my reviews that contains material info ... more
Ditto. It seems kinda lazy to just copy and paste.
12/06/2010
Contributor: Midway through Midway through
I usually reword it if I can. But I will usually list ingredients the way that the site does, in case someone doesn't want to check back and forth. Like say, for a lube or a massage oil. You know? But like, for the toys and stuff, nah. It's better to say okay this is TPE, but it's also called TPR and this is what it is. I mean, that part I get from the info, but I often reword it. I just like everyone to be informed totally on it. But yeh, reword if you can.
12/06/2010
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by P'Gell
There is nothing wrong with including size dimensions. They are required (I personally like to see them in a review, but they don't have to be there) No one is going to downvote you for including them.
I'm sorry. I meant they're not required for the review protocol.

I still like to see them on some things, rather than going back and forth from the review to the product details.
12/06/2010
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
No, they are not required.

People will often downvote if they are not (far more likely to occur than a downvote because they are there) but EF does not require them.

GeekWife, I would say the votes probably came because they were not ... more
It was a typo. Sorry. I just realized what I did a minute ago. (And I should be sleeping.)
12/07/2010
Contributor: Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by P'Gell
I'm sorry. I meant they're not required for the review protocol.

I still like to see them on some things, rather than going back and forth from the review to the product details.
Yeah. Thing is, though, most shoppers who are not reviewers tend to look at product page first. Then, if it looks interesting, they go on to read the review.

We reviewers do it backwards - we read reviews, then move on to product page if review looks good.

So, in general, shoppers see the specs and info before they see a review. If that makes sense?
12/07/2010
Contributor: softkkisses softkkisses
To everyone on Eden. I am the one whom wrote the review in question, I am taking full response ability for my mistake. I wrote the review in a hurry because I had had surgery right after I got the toy. I have never owned a toy made of this material and wanted to give the right information about it. I did not think about it because of the drugs I was on. I was not thing clearly. I would like to apologize for the mistake I was rushed and made a bad choice, I was a little late with getting the review done and was worried about getting kick off the site. I would have researched "Prex" better if my heath problems had not been a issue. But I should have done it in a different way, maybe tried to get a extension?

Sorry to Cherryredhead88 did not mean to upset you so.
12/07/2010
Contributor: Maiden Maiden
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Originally posted by Kindred
I'm not sure that I have noticed anyone else doing it before, but I don't have a problem with copy/pasting that information. Does it make it anymore legit if someone simply retypes the information? I don't see any point in that. And ... more
I agree with this. I hate having to put all the stats on there every time. I do it because the community expects it and will vote down if it isn't in there. It gets boring having to write the same stuff over and over again, but I do it. I have copy and pasted ingredients for a product even though I think it's enough to warn if it has parabens or that if you have sensitive skin to use caution.
12/07/2010
Contributor: Maiden Maiden
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Originally posted by softkkisses
To everyone on Eden. I am the one whom wrote the review in question, I am taking full response ability for my mistake. I wrote the review in a hurry because I had had surgery right after I got the toy. I have never owned a toy made of this material ... more
I think it was fine. A lot of people are afraid to use glass as they think it might shatter inside them. You are a new reviewer and I know sometimes it is hard to describe materials that you are not familiar with.
12/07/2010
Contributor: Bunnycups Bunnycups
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Yeah. Thing is, though, most shoppers who are not reviewers tend to look at product page first. Then, if it looks interesting, they go on to read the review.

We reviewers do it backwards - we read reviews, then move on to product page if ... more
Yup, it makes perfect sense. Thanks for posting here to clarify what is and isn't required in reviews. Hopefully people will stop down voting reviews because they don't include the specs. Personally, I don't want to reread it in reviews anyway. I think a picture that compares the size of a toy to something else is much more useful than regurgitating the specs. The picture in this review is a perfect example. The picture suddenly makes the specs real to the reader.
12/07/2010
Contributor: Bunnycups Bunnycups
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Originally posted by softkkisses
To everyone on Eden. I am the one whom wrote the review in question, I am taking full response ability for my mistake. I wrote the review in a hurry because I had had surgery right after I got the toy. I have never owned a toy made of this material ... more
Don't even worry about it. I hope you're making a speedy recovery.
12/07/2010
Contributor: ScottA ScottA
If they copy the whole product info page then that's a different story - in that context it doesn't do much at all, it looks bad, and it's not contributing to *their* review.

If I'm discussing something connected with the product specs in my reviews I like to put them in there because I like having them there as a reader. If you're talking about the length it's much easier if I can see "5-1/2 inches" somewhere in the paragraph rather than having to flip back and forth to the product page, and then do it again to find out what the maximum diameter is (assuming that information is used in the review). Perhaps I'm more forgetful than most, but I find it much easier.
12/07/2010
Contributor: cherryredhead88 cherryredhead88
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Originally posted by softkkisses
To everyone on Eden. I am the one whom wrote the review in question, I am taking full response ability for my mistake. I wrote the review in a hurry because I had had surgery right after I got the toy. I have never owned a toy made of this material ... more
You didn't upset me. As I stated in the message you sent me, I wasn't even trying to personally call you out. I know you are new, I told you this, and it simply brought up my curiosity as to what the community thought.

Don't take things personally on here, a lot of different conversations go on.

Also, there is no reason to rush the reviews. Take your time and make it good! Don't do them if you don't think you will be able to commit to them, and please don't take this personally either.
12/07/2010
Contributor: cherryredhead88 cherryredhead88
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Originally posted by Maiden
I agree with this. I hate having to put all the stats on there every time. I do it because the community expects it and will vote down if it isn't in there. It gets boring having to write the same stuff over and over again, but I do it. I have ... more
It does suck having to repeat the info, but a lot of the time I look at it as someone who is shopping and reading their first review might not know all that info.
12/07/2010
Contributor: cherryredhead88 cherryredhead88
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Originally posted by cherryredhead88
You didn't upset me. As I stated in the message you sent me, I wasn't even trying to personally call you out. I know you are new, I told you this, and it simply brought up my curiosity as to what the community thought.

Don't take ... more
that is supposed to be *don't do them if you think you can't commit to them*
12/07/2010
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
If I took a class and the teacher asked me to write a report on the Civil War - and then docked me on my grade for not including information on the Vietnam War, I'd be a little pissed.I know a lot of people like to see specs in a review and that ... more
THANK YOU for putting this up here... It seems as though NO ONE read it as they are still arguing about product specs... but thank you anyway for clarifying it for ME at least!

"But, I'll be frank here, it's unfair to any reviewer to rate them poorly because you dislike looking at specs and info on the designated pages for those specs and info."

That statement, in particular, is something that needs to be reiterated to most everyone on here! So again, thank you for clarifying it!
12/08/2010