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What I was seeing is a lot of people speaking up in favor of monogamy by speaking against dishonesty and cheating, setting up this false "either/or" situation between monogamous people and dishonest cheaters. I know this was probably
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What I was seeing is a lot of people speaking up in favor of monogamy by speaking against dishonesty and cheating, setting up this false "either/or" situation between monogamous people and dishonest cheaters. I know this was probably unintentional, and I didn't mean to accuse anyone of an intentional, direct attack on polyamory and other kinds of open relationships.
I just want people to realize that when somebody makes the argument that "Monogamy is natural because people who cheat on their partners are lying jerks", it implies that those who are not monogamous are cheating jerks. I see a lot of people setting up this "straw man" argument (unintentionally, most likely, because most people aren't familiar with functional, non-monogamous relationships) by arguing for monogamy because those who aren't monogamous are dishonest. When one side of a debate is praised for their honesty and courage and moral strength, it implies that the other side does not possess honesty and moral strength. By ignoring the honest, non-monogamous crowd and instead speaking against the dishonest people who fail at their promises of monogamy, you're setting up a straw man that is more easily attacked, while those in favor of honest, non-monogamy sit there confused and wonder why we're debating honesty vs. dishonesty instead of monogamy vs. non-monogamy. Yes, honesty is important, but I don't think anybody is saying that it isn't.
Again, I know it's probably unintentional, because the non-monogamous people that most of us hear about are cheaters and not honest, polyamorous people. I don't mean to accuse anybody of intentionally attacking the non-monogamous, but rather to point out that making the discussion about honesty instead of the stated topic seems to be ignoring the existence of honest non-monogamy.
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To be perfectly honest thinking and rationalizing behavior as being either good or bad is not natural...as in it's not able to be shown in nature to the extent that we see it in the human world. To say that any behavior is 'natural' for humans is a circular argument since in nature animals do what they are prompted to do without moralizing the outcome.
Successful poly folk have taken the lying and cheating behavior off the table...we are moral people regardless of the opinions and adjendas of others. We are not required to defend our decisions or actions except to those we have wronged.
Be proud of your choices and if you are happy don't let anyone make you feel like you have to justify being happy. If you are content and amazingly happy sharing your life with just one partner then God Bless you! Show that love and let it shine....but lemme clue you God doesn't hate people who believe differently than you do or have different desires/needs. That sort of thinking leads to dissatisfaction in your own heart and damages your relationship with the rest of the world and yes, even with God. If you are happy and content then show love, compassion and understanding to your fellow men and women...isn't that the message of most religions?
We will never solve this issue just as we will never truly discover whether nature or nurture informs our adult selves the most and we will never be able to discover which came first the chicken or the egg.
I would love to see, as both a priest of my faith and a polyamorous woman that this community can be happy in their own relationships and not see the need to defend those choices by attacking other's views...especially with religion or faith. It's ok to believe that you are following the dictates of your faith but let's allow that others have the right to interpret the dictates of their own faith. If your belief that you are living the way God wants you to brings you joy and peace then don't beat someone else up who disagrees, because I DO disagree that God made us to be two by two! I believe Goddess gave us a brain and free will so that we could make our own decisions. Does that make me less of a moral or trustworthy person? NO! Does it threaten your happiness and contentment in your relationship? No!
Love is not an exclusive club only available to certain people who believe only certain things. We are not meant to suffer we are meant to live joyously. You are all wonderful people who live wonderful lives...who cares if we are "Natural" or "Un-Natural" can't we just be happy and share that with each other?