How many people believe sex is BEST saved for marriage?

Contributor: Tuesday Tuesday
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Originally posted by P'Gell
I wouldn't buy a car without a test drive. I don't declare someone my "best friend" until I know them well and know that we are "compatible for shopping" . I certainly wouldn't marry someone or enter into a Civil Union ... more
This is for everyone who said they wouldn't have married their spouse if the sex weren't good.

You don't have enough else going for you two? If you were weak in the sex department you would have abandoned everything?

Its easy to say that you wouldn't marry someone if the sex weren't good when you have a good sex life with your spouse.

For me, I felt an instant deep connection with my husband from the first phone conversation, like we had known each other all our lives. I've never felt that way about anyone else. And he has so many good qualities. I can't imagine throwing that away for one little thing. OK, one big thing, but still.

I hope I don't sound like I'm attacking people. I'm just having trouble wrapping my brain around the idea of sacrificing all the other excellent aspects of a relationship for a weakness in one area.
07/17/2011
Contributor: Redboxbaby Redboxbaby
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Originally posted by Tuesday
This is for everyone who said they wouldn't have married their spouse if the sex weren't good.

You don't have enough else going for you two? If you were weak in the sex department you would have abandoned everything?

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I felt the exact same way you did when you talked to your husband for the first time. I think because we were both so turned on by all the other aspects of each others brain/personality it made the sex that much better. I had never met anyone that could get me horny by having an intelligent conversation with me before. He truly was interested with what was between my ears more than what was in my pants and down my shirt. I was totally in love with him before we had sex.

If we had had sex and it was terrible, I think we would both have tried it a few more times and then hopefully talked about how to make it better. If it had remained terrible, I don't know...that's difficult.
07/17/2011
Contributor: Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
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Originally posted by Tuesday
This is for everyone who said they wouldn't have married their spouse if the sex weren't good.

You don't have enough else going for you two? If you were weak in the sex department you would have abandoned everything?

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Interesting perspective. Although I voted for having sex before marriage - I didn't mean to suggest that I was looking for some kind of sex goddess. All the things you mentioned about connection are important - it's just that after establishing/experienc ing those connections I would be looking for a bit of sexual openness and an interest in trying new things to keep things fresh.

I don't believe in the false choice that you have to sacrifice one level of happiness for another - and having gotten married at 35, I would hope no one would be expecting me to be a virgin.
07/18/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Tuesday
This is for everyone who said they wouldn't have married their spouse if the sex weren't good.

You don't have enough else going for you two? If you were weak in the sex department you would have abandoned everything?

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We do have other things going for us than sex. However, if the sex weren't fantastic, we'd both feel we'd be missing out on SO much pleasure, bonding, attachment and fun over the years, that yes, it would have cause either of us to abandon the relationship.

For us, sex is healing and restorative. I get anxious, and so does he, if we go more than a few days without reconnecting through sex. We both need, not just orgasms, but the connection that good sex brings us. Two bodies, of two people who are in love connecting in a sweaty, endorphin filled embrace, and physically as well as spiritually connecting through sex is what we both feel is one of our best problem solvers, our best form of recreation and our best way to say "I LOVE you." Our minds as well as our bodies literally meld when we make love. The more intense the better. At least for us.

We've solved pretty serious issues, simply by having a lot of sex. It's that good, and that.... healing for us.

For me, it takes both having some (but not all things) in common AND a wonderful sex life. I'm a virtual nympho, I can't go without it. Being sexually frustrated would be enough to break a relationship, if it went on long enough. As I said, we've been through rough times, (both sexually and non sexually) When our babies were young, I had virtually no libido, he's had a few instances of libido issues (although they rarely last more than a week or so) and, of course we've worked through them. Mostly because we know how fantastic it CAN be and will be again.

I have friends who I actually have more "in common with" than with My Man. We, of course, have a basic compatibility, of course. But, we also have our own interests. One of my main sticking points with him is that he doesn't read enough. But, that isn't enough to break the relationship. Bad sex would.

I have friends who can supply any added or additional intellectual stimulation, but I don't want to fuck them. (Not that My Man doesn't supply some intellectual stimulation, of course he does. He isn't stupid, he's a very intelligent man. But, I think I'm the more cerebral of the two of us. We also often THINK very differently.)

But, that's us. Everybody had different priorities. One of ours happens to be sex.

I still feel, even if it isn't THE priority, that basic sexual compatibility is a large part of the foundation of a good relationship. But, I'm looking at it from my own marriage.

Mileage and all that.
07/18/2011
Contributor: Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
I don't want to dominate the discussion - but we're a lot like P'Gell and her husband.

For obvious reasons both intellectually and chemically, the closeness and bond you feel with your partner after having a satisfying sexual experience is so much more powerful than say - going to dinner or a movie - or both. Sure spending time together is nice - but honestly the rush of oxytocin and endorphins through orgasm is truly the glue that keeps us strong.

For a long time my wife was all concerned that we didn't spend enough time together. She shopped - I golfed. She went to the movies - I went for a hike or bike ride. But once she figured out that I would pass up any activity to give her multiple orgasms - the light went on and we've been on a roll ever since.

To borrow a phrase - mileage and all that!
07/18/2011
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
I don't think people should feel obligated to wait until marriage for sex. But if it's their belief, I'm not going to tell them they're dumb or anything. It's a choice best left up to the people making it for themselves.

Saying that, sex may not be the largest aspect of a relationship...but it's a biggie! Having a lack luster sex life (or worse) with a partner can start all sorts of problems!
07/18/2011
Contributor: Redboxbaby Redboxbaby
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Originally posted by Gunsmoke
I don't want to dominate the discussion - but we're a lot like P'Gell and her husband.

For obvious reasons both intellectually and chemically, the closeness and bond you feel with your partner after having a satisfying sexual ... more
Yep! This exactly! You and P'Gell are in my brain this morning, typing my thoughts I just know it!
07/18/2011
Contributor: AOutrajus AOutrajus
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Originally posted by bayosgirl
These results are definitely what I expected... My perspective is, if you're in love with someone-I mean truly LOVE them, not just lust-then good sex comes naturally. If it needs improvement, that's where talking comes in. And for things ... more
that's mostly how I feel too.
07/18/2011
Contributor: jesseftm jesseftm
I'm not all that into sex, I know, shocking. I've certainly slept with the people I date, but I just started thinking about what things would have been like if I hadn't until after marriage. There are absolutely no religious ideas behind my new thoughts about it, it just seems like it could have been a good idea. I think the reason I started thinking about it is because at the beginning of a relationship I want to jump that person's bones just about 24/7 but after a few months that goes away. This is absolutely a personal story, and I can't speak for anyone else and don't want to. Still, it makes me wonder what's going to happen 10 years from now when we're still together and I got tired of sex back around month 6. Maybe if I waited to put out until marriage it would not only be incredible first sex because we'd been building up to it and dying of sexual frustration for years, but then I'd still be trying to jump their bones after marriage. I can't really explain why I get tired of it, but it definitely happens. Plus, I don't think it'd be so bad to spend the first few years really getting to know the person. It's much more important to me that we're compatible on levels other than sexual levels since I don't care too much for sex. Like, if I end up marrying a person and we were too busy having wild and crazy sex instead of really gettin to know the down and dirty about each other I think I'd be a lot more unhappy than I would if I had waited to have sex after marriage.

Again, I've slept with my girlfriend plenty of times already and do plan to marry her, but the idea has got me thinking lately.
07/18/2011
Contributor: null null
I think it is important to 'try before you buy', just don't 'try so many models' that you can't decide what you like :p
07/18/2011
Contributor: Ace <3 Ace <3
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Originally posted by bayosgirl
Leaving reality alone, how many people feel that leaving sex for marriage/civil union is the ideal?
Honestly, I really think its a personal decision. I've grown up in a major Catholic family who believe that sex is part of marriage and that you should love the other person you are with without their body being a major factor. I feel that if sex is started too early in a relationship it actually destroys it. Then it becomes a goal. There is nothing exciting about it anymore no matter how many new things you try. REALLY good sex comes from love, not one night stands and hook-ups. When you are so focused on making the sex good for your partner is when your own body is overwhelmed. I've had it both ways: sex just hooking up and sex with my long term girlfriend. There is no comparison, my girlfriend gives me MUCH better results. And I believe that if you have sex, whether its before or after you are married, your body and your heart will be able to tell you.
P.S. The answer "No, sex is necessary before marriage to find out if you are meant to be" is not a fair response. Sex isn't going to tell you if "you are meant to be" you aren't marrying the person for sex. Sex won't make an entire relationship. It's love. And lust is not love.
07/19/2011
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by bayosgirl
Leaving reality alone, how many people feel that leaving sex for marriage/civil union is the ideal?
I absolutely feel sex is not best saved for marriage but I also think it isn't a deal breaker...it should be up to the participants, period.
07/20/2011
Contributor: Beck Beck
I'd never marry someone without having sex first. Sex is important! What if after marring them you find out they have some kind of fetish that you are never going to be into? What if each others angles do not match up? This does happen, I had a boyfriend that we could never have sex, not from lack of trying mind you. Our angles and shapes did not match up sexually. What if one is a sex hound and the other is one of those once a year kind of people? You want to make sure you are sexually compatible since that is a part of marriage. People can do as they wish, but I would never of done this.
07/20/2011
Contributor: Beck Beck
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Originally posted by Tuesday
This is for everyone who said they wouldn't have married their spouse if the sex weren't good.

You don't have enough else going for you two? If you were weak in the sex department you would have abandoned everything?

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I believe having good sex is part of having a good connection. Can not be truly happy if you are sexually frustrated.
07/20/2011
Contributor: Jul!a Jul!a
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Originally posted by Woman China
I agree with you Tuesday.

Sex is great, and good sexual compatibility is important. But I agree, the gray matter is more important to me overall. Plus. I've got boxes filled with toys.

If I suddenly fall for a man who said ... more
I feel pretty much exactly the same way.

I would respect the person I fell in love with if they wanted to wait until marriage to have sex, however I'm in support of having sex before marriage as well. If the sex sucks, we can work on it and I know it might not end up always being the best sex ever but us being open and honest about it would make a huge difference. It'd be great to still be having sex when we're 70 or 80, but if the sex doesn't happen as often, I need to know that we can still talk to each other and hold conversations and that won't happen if the relationship is all about sex. At least for me anyway.
07/20/2011
Contributor: lexical lexical
I remember having this conversation with a table full of girls in the cafeteria at my high school. We were all loudly discussing it and arguing, when all of a sudden...the really, really quiet, paralyzingly shy girl pipes up...

"Well, you wouldn't buy a car without test driving it first!"

It went dead silent and then we all just about died laughing.

It's so true. I really believe that waiting until marriage to have sex is a horrible, ineffective, and antiquated idea. You won't know what you want or what you like. You're just setting yourself to have intimacy and compatibility problems, in so many ways.
07/20/2011
Contributor: bayosgirl bayosgirl
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Originally posted by lexical
I remember having this conversation with a table full of girls in the cafeteria at my high school. We were all loudly discussing it and arguing, when all of a sudden...the really, really quiet, paralyzingly shy girl pipes up...

"Well, ... more
A lot of women would do anything to have their virginity back. 'Nough said.
07/20/2011
Contributor: Lady Nina Lady Nina
doesn't matter either way
07/27/2011
Contributor: southern woman southern woman
Waiting til you're married to have sex is not only a beautiful thing, but also helps to ensure a healthy relationship.. You never have to worry about std's or if your spouse ever thinks about another partner from the past, and you never have to compare so you and your spouse will be the most amazing thing you ever felt and person you've ever experienced. If you have the attitude that you have to have sex with someone before you marry them to compare them and know how they are, then isn't that unfair to them, and wouldn't that mean that you're really deep down only in it for the sex.. My husband and I tried to wait til we were married to have sex and didn't.. and although I dont ever regret being with him or a single time I made love to him.. there are times I wish we had waited.. however I never had this idea that I HAD to have sex with him first and know what he was like before I could marry him, thats not love.. and Im surprised at the amount of people that think they need to experience everyone they can so they can compare and pick the best one.. thats not looking for love.. thats looking for a great lay.. no wonder divorce rates are so high.
07/29/2011
Contributor: southern woman southern woman
And as far as not knowing if they can please you... You've got the rest of your life to figure each other out and if you really love each other, than its totally worth the practice, cuz practice makes perfect! Its also fun learning about each other.. and the longer you're married, the more you learn about one another..everyday it gets better and better.
07/29/2011
Contributor: Kkay Kkay
The idea of saving sex for marriage to me confuses the ideas of sex and marriage. Marriage is a lasting bond and a commitment. Sex is an activity. An intimate, pleasurable activity, but it is not in and of itself a commitment.
07/29/2011
Contributor: bayosgirl bayosgirl
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Originally posted by southern woman
Waiting til you're married to have sex is not only a beautiful thing, but also helps to ensure a healthy relationship.. You never have to worry about std's or if your spouse ever thinks about another partner from the past, and you never have ... more
I love this and your other response. Agree 100%.
07/29/2011
Contributor: sarki sarki
I won't save sex for marriage
07/29/2011
Contributor: Caprieclipse Caprieclipse
sex is an adventure!
07/29/2011
Contributor: southern woman southern woman
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Originally posted by Caprieclipse
sex is an adventure!
Yes but to marry someone because they please you better than anyone else is not why you should marry someone.. Thing is I can have the most amazing sex I've ever had with my husband one night, and the next night its not very great at all, and then the next night its even more amazing than the first. You will never find someone that pleases you in bed every single time. Because different things will cause you to react differently. Lack of sleep, changing birth controls, eating certain foods can all cause make it near impossible for you to orgazim no matter what you're man does, and for a guy its the same thing, lack of sleep, over-working yourself, eating certain foods can lower your testostrum.. ect. And for females, if you ever have a baby.. pregnancy is a whole hormonal rollercoaster.. where one day you cant get enough sex, the next you dont enjoy it at all. And where we Men and Women may not get moody or notice the change in hormone balance, our body does. And sometimes you're partner can be doing everything just right, but you're body is just not responding like it should. Im just saying, sex should not be our reason for marrying somebody.. you should marry someone because you love that person and who that person is, and you want to be with that person.. sex should just be the bonus you get to enjoy with the person you love.
08/01/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by southern woman
Yes but to marry someone because they please you better than anyone else is not why you should marry someone.. Thing is I can have the most amazing sex I've ever had with my husband one night, and the next night its not very great at all, and ... more
Waiting until marriage in no way "guarantees a good marriage." My parents waited until they were married, married as virgins and found out they were absolutely sexually incompatible and ended up miserable, sad, fighting and eventually divorced. THIS is so common, it effects virtually every couple I know who "waited." Eventually.

When you have sexual experience and are mature you NEVER "compare" your current lover to others while you are in bed. Not if you have your head on straight. But, choosing a mate based on sexual compatibility is as important as choosing them for any other thing they value as much as you do. You choose a mate because of their values (usually) and sex is one of those, a BIG one.

And I had My Man first then had an Open Relationship, saw and had sex with other men, and then My Man and I began a closed relationship a number of years later, after I had sown some wild oats, and finished college. (He's older than I am and had experience first, as well as during the Open Relationship.)

I look at it in the way that I would never buy a car without a test drive, nor would I buy a house without several walk throughs and an inspection before buying. Marriage is often a life long decision, and you need to be sure in ALL things. Finding out after you are married that you aren't compatible has to be one of the most frustrating and soul destroying things known.

Maybe it works for you, but you can't say it "helps to ensure a healthy relationship" because it simply doesn't for everyone. I know too many "virgin marriages" who ended up in disaster and sadness and looking back thinking "what did I miss?" If you and your partner are compatible that's great, but many people are quite happy looking for someone and sampling what people have to offer, sexually and otherwise before signing their lives away.

My Man and I are together BECAUSE we know we are compatible in most spheres, sexually as well as other ways. We know from experience. We didn't guess. There is no way we could have known this if we hadn't had sex with each other AND with other people first. Sex is one of the things that holds us together, and is one of the best and most important things in our marriage, so it matters to us. No, it isn't perfect every time. No mature person would expect that. But, we know enough about sex and about each other to know it can be amazing and will be again.

I know few, if any couples who are sexually incompatible and are happy with the other parts of their marriage. Sexual frustration seeps into every pore of a marriage, can and does ruin and destroy relationships all the time.
08/01/2011
Contributor: southern woman southern woman
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Originally posted by P'Gell
Waiting until marriage in no way "guarantees a good marriage." My parents waited until they were married, married as virgins and found out they were absolutely sexually incompatible and ended up miserable, sad, fighting and eventually ... more
Like I said before.. You're not always going to have great sex all the time.. You have to communicate with each other on what you like and dont like. Its you're desision on wether you have sex first or not.. but Im saying, you dont marry someone BECAUSE of sex. Your sex life changes as your body changes. You have to work on it, and communicate, just like you do in your marriage.. You dont marry someone for the sex and then work on falling inlove with them. You marry someone because you love them, and then work on the sex. not the other way around... as I said before.. my husband and I didn't wait like we wanted to.. but we didn't wait because we were already madly inlove and couldn't keep our hands off each other.. not because we wanted to test each other out first.. he had already asked me to marry him and we already knew we were meant for each other. We have a wonderful sex life. but there are times we have to work at it together, just like our marriage. You have to be willing to make it work for both of you if you want you're marriage to last.
08/03/2011
Contributor: southern woman southern woman
And I agree with you.. waiting til marriage to have sex does not guarentee a good marriage.. We didn't. God is the only guarentee to a great marriage.. Seek him first and He will help you work out anything that comes along. He cares about the little things as well as the big things.. and its important to him that a marriage lasts because of the commitment that is made to each other and to him when 2 are joined together.
08/03/2011
Contributor: Chilipepper Chilipepper
Let me tell you a story.

My ex-husband (whom I met online in 1999) was a very good sexual storyteller. He and I were sexually compatible with our brains (at least I thought so) and I figured we were going to be great in person. He was older and had more experience than me, and he was okay with my little experience. With everything else in our relationship being very cozy and compatible, this seemed okay.

Fastforward to when we finally got together in person. We were already engaged and planning the wedding by that time. We tried to have sex a couple of times, but it just didn't seem to work out. I figured 'What the hey, we have the rest of the marriage to work it out.'

Fast forward to first year of marriage. He had lied to me about his libido. He demanded to know why I got worked up about a 'genital sneeze'. He called me a freak for having a sexual appetite. And I found the mother-son porn.

Fast forward throughout the marriage. We were virtually roommates - great friends, but lousy spouses and no sex at all. He refused to talk or work on anything. It was 'my fault' that the sex was dead, because I was 'too pushy'. We were great with everything else ... except the fact that he couldn't hold onto a job and was passive-aggressive about everything and expected me to look after him ... and he didn't have to work on anything. I carried that fucking marriage for years, by myself, and he didn't do a damn thing.

2009, unhappy with my marriage and feeling like my soul was dying, I found myself on a bridge and wondering which rock below would break my head open on the first jump. I went into a crisis center and decided the Marriage was over and I was going to move back home.

Lesson: be emotionally, intellectually, spiritually, and sexually compatible. Don't lie to yourself about the state of the relationship. I had grown and changed in the ten years we knew each other while he had remained EXACTLY THE SAME as the day we had met. He wasn't going to change, and any sort of relationship takes BOTH people to grow together, not just one of them.

Is sex important? Yes. Is emotional connection important? Yes. Is maturity important? Yes. Is honesty about all those things important? YES. It's all tied together.

So, the original question: is sex best saved for marriage? It's up to the individual. It didn't work out for me because I refused to actually look at what I was marrying - I spent years believing something was wrong with me because he said I killed his libido when he simply didn't want to take responsibility.

Sex is just ONE aspect of compatibility, it's not an end in itself.
08/16/2011
Contributor: Sunshineamine Sunshineamine
It doesn't matter either way. If they suck they can learn. Love is love.
08/16/2011