obama, four more years or not

Contributor: FaerieLove FaerieLove
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Originally posted by wetone123
Fire them all!

Although it really doesn't matter. I say this because the next one will be on the Corporations and Federal Reserves puppet strings as well.

YES, living, breathing dummies with the elites hand up their ass, moving ... more
I second that wetone123!!!
10/02/2011
Contributor: Darling Jen Darling Jen
No president will ever be perfect. They're human. Even worse than human, actually. They're politicians. And to make it EVEN worse, by definition the president will be answering to many other politicians, businesses, lobbyists, and even other countries. And presidents are not all-powerful. So it's their intention, personality, and degree of honesty that matters most when it comes to who we vote for.

That being said, my personal opinion is that after Bush, Obama did amazing. The world hates us SO much less, DADT is gone, he's calling out the immature politicians when he sees it, and he communicates so well with us and represents us in a positive light. I could sure go for 4 more years of him rather than some of those Republican candidates. Or even worse, a tea party candidate...
10/02/2011
Contributor: Nothere Nothere
The lesser of two evils...I'm waiting until the Republicans nominate someone.
10/02/2011
Contributor: Peggi Peggi
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Originally posted by UnknownGirl
I'm not sure if I want Obama in office for another four more years. However, one thing I'm sure of is that Rick Perry is not the answer.
I don't think he'll get it anyway because so many people are all about Ron Paul
10/02/2011
Contributor: Jul!a Jul!a
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Originally posted by Darling Jen
No president will ever be perfect. They're human. Even worse than human, actually. They're politicians. And to make it EVEN worse, by definition the president will be answering to many other politicians, businesses, lobbyists, and even other ... more
I'm with this and the general opinion that Obama did the best he could with what he was given when he took office. No one single person is going to be able to magically make everything better overnight, and nothing is going to be perfect. Some things that worked really well for some but not all might have to be let go to make way for things that work better for more people. Does it suck if you no longer get what was working? Absolutely. But if you were managing the welfare of an entire country it's about what works the best for the majority, and I can't really argue with that.

Obama may not have done everything we've wanted in the last 3 years, but I don't think he's done a terrible job and I'm personally a little curious to see how he handles the next 4 if he does get re-elected.
10/03/2011
Contributor: Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
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Originally posted by Peggi
I don't think he'll get it anyway because so many people are all about Ron Paul
That's interesting, not enough people know who Ron Paul is get him elected dog catcher (nationally). He gets about 6-10% of votes in a Republican only poll. No doubt he's an interesting guy, and if you're a gold bug he's your man.

Why make gold the standard? It's just a commodity like grain or pork bellies. At least you can eat and recreate grain. By setting a gold standard you just make South Africa and Russia the wealthiest nations in the world - just because of an accident of geology. Interesting plan - but in my view very flawed. A countries 'value' should not be determined by geology - but by the productivity of it's people.


About Obama - I'm in the middle. I didn't vote for him, but he was given a very tough hand. The problem is he volunteered to 'bring hope' - by that self-directed measure he has failed. Hope now is as low as I can remember in my 57 years here in the US.

He has time to change things, but the second recession - which I believe has already started - will greatly diminish his chances of winning.
10/03/2011
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
I hope he gets another 4.

I lean towards the Democratic side, but wish there were more than two "legit" parties. I also like the idea of politicians wearing logos for the companies that fund them, like Nascar.

I think it'd be great if he had something along the lines of Germany...and elect Pirates in.

I think the Republicans have been extremely narrow minded and unhelpful to anyone but their own sponsors.
10/03/2011
Contributor: Darling Jen Darling Jen
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
I hope he gets another 4.

I lean towards the Democratic side, but wish there were more than two "legit" parties. I also like the idea of politicians wearing logos for the companies that fund them, like Nascar.

I think ... more
Ditto on the desire to get rid of the two-party dominated political machine. I think we'd all be healthier to have more than two perspectives on issues anyway. Most Americans are not extremists as it is so let's all bring a few new refreshing ideas into the mix. I'd love to see the Libertarian party in particular be a little more vocal.
10/03/2011
Contributor: married with children married with children
this country cant take another 4 years of his policies.
10/05/2011
Contributor: ErisEsoteric ErisEsoteric
I will never again vote for a multi-millionaire. I will never again vote for someone who takes $100Million+ from corporations. You vote for people who are AGAINST you and you get bad and broken democracy.

Vote for people who will serve YOUR interests...Demopublic ans and Republicrats will NOT.

Green Party, Libertarians, Ron Paul, and a few others WILL.
10/05/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Eucaly
I think it's likely that Palin will be the alternative. Or even worse!
Palin isn't running, THANK GOD!!!! Now, if will only get through Michelle Bachman's head that she isn't suited for the job, based on clinical insanity, we'd be on our way.

I'm still gonna vote for Obama, regardless.
10/06/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by wetone123
U.S. Staff Sergeant Kendrick Manuel swung his rifle over his shoulder and grumbled about being viewed as a "non-combat" soldier in Iraq.

"When NBC talked about the last combat troops are gone, they made it sound like everything ... more
Quote: "That doesn't really change a thing, it is still dangerous," said 22-year-old Specialist Byron Reed Yeah. War's dangerous. Soldiers know this.

Bring them all home. Leave a skeleton crew in Afghanistan and Iraq just for now, of ONLY volunteers, and bring those boys home. NO reason to continue these wars anyway.
10/06/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Darling Jen
No president will ever be perfect. They're human. Even worse than human, actually. They're politicians. And to make it EVEN worse, by definition the president will be answering to many other politicians, businesses, lobbyists, and even other ... more
AMEN sister!

And to an other post, going with "the lesser of two evils" is the Republican? Aside from Herman Cain, who has NO chance of being elected (the South has to vote, yanno) I don't see one who doesn't qualify as "evil" in my little book.

Mileage and all that, remember what GWB did to our country, our future, our economy and our trust of public officials.
10/06/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Gunsmoke
That's interesting, not enough people know who Ron Paul is get him elected dog catcher (nationally). He gets about 6-10% of votes in a Republican only poll. No doubt he's an interesting guy, and if you're a gold bug he's your man. ... more
Thank you for your insight. I didn't really understand the whole "gold standard" thing until now. It makes perfect sense. I also have other reasons not to ever vote for Ron Paul, but the Gold Standard thing is fascinating. Thank you also for understanding that Obama was handed what was probably the shittiest political hand in American history. He hasn't been aggressive enough to make enough changes. He's made some, and they have mostly been good ones. But, he has to stop worrying about people "liking him" and get down to business and play Tough Love with Congress.
10/06/2011
Contributor: emilia emilia
One term
10/06/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
I find it hard to trust ANY politician, but if the candidates refuse to stand up and defend someone who is in the Middle East fighting for us, HOW can I expect them to give a flying shit about ME!?

The fact that they(Santorum) want to reinstate DADT, because "sexual orientation has no place in the military," makes me nauseated. If sexual orientation has no place in the military, what fucking difference does it make if a soldier is out or not? Why is it harder to trust the guy next to you if you know that he/she is gay? (and the very fact that he didn't say ANYTHING about the booing? )

Bachmann is a fucking moron. She would be the bane of this country's existence if she were elected. The shit that comes out of her mouth is repugnant and she also refuses to answer a direct question.

And a lot of the problem with our country now is that we are behind in the areas of technology research, innovation, production, etc. We're all working for someone (the GOP, honestly), and we're not doing anything to advance. We have nothing to offer the rest of the world. They don't want unions to protect their own assets, but let me ask you: teachers, plumbers, any any other public sector job that has a union, I don't see people getting RICH off of them, they just don't want to be obligated to pay people what they're worth. And what about the guy (this wasn't a candidate, this was just some idiot on Faux News) who said that he'd like to see minimum wage abolished because most workers aren't worth a whole $7.25? He said he'd rather pay them $3 or $4/hour. These MORONS have no idea what it's like to be lower class (or even middle class). They don't have any idea what it takes to live from paycheck to paycheck. They DO NOT represent our country. They represent the rich. I am not rich.

I could go on and on and on and on. The GOP candidates aren't worth their weight in salt and I would rather have Obama for another 4 than to have these morons.

At least if Obama gets another 4 years, then in 2016 we'll have another liberal to run against these GOP idiots.
10/06/2011
Contributor: Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
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Originally posted by P'Gell
Thank you for your insight. I didn't really understand the whole "gold standard" thing until now. It makes perfect sense. I also have other reasons not to ever vote for Ron Paul, but the Gold Standard thing is fascinating. Thank you ... more
P'Gell - Obama was given the best political hand ever for a newly elected president. He was elected with an overwhelming mandate of both popular and electoral votes and an huge majority of dems in congress.

It was his failure to take advantage of this 'all aces' hand that resulted in the drubbing the dems took at the mid term.

The shitty hand was the state of the economy. What the Jr. Senator from IL failed to comprehend is that 'Hope' is not policy. With no understanding of how to be an executive, he had no idea how to get things through congress. There is a huge difference between being a legislator and an executive. He has failed as an executive.

On the foreign policy side Obama did nothing in Iraq but to stick to the time table all ready agreed to by Bush. I agree with that - but he didn't pacify the pacifists that elected him. Then he turned around used the same 'surge' in Afghanistan policy that he criticized Bush so much for in Iraq. You have to give him credit for understanding the military need - but you also have to call him out on his hypocritical hyperbolic campaign rhetoric.

What ever happened to talking nice to the Koreans and Iranians - its funny how the real world is different than the campaign world.

Obama has reneged on so many promises - I can't believe the base of the democratic party can support him. The only thing he has going for him is that he is not republican.
10/06/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys


Don't know if this will lighten the mood or enrage some people, but it's pretty funny especially if you have seen any part of these debates.
10/06/2011
Contributor: Jaimes Jaimes
One term. I am a Libertarian. I can't say I agree with the religious right, and I am pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, but also very pro-capital punishment, and absolutely believe in Capitalism. When it comes to finding my way in this two party country, I tend to back the Republican Party, even though I hate how preachy they can be. But I have major problems with the socialist direction the Democratic party leans towards, especially behind Obama. I don't really get what I want either way, but life isn't all about me, now is it?

Honestly, I have a little political crush on Herman Cain right now. Rose from bottom to top in 3 separate industries, and is the child of a chauffeur and a maid. Talk about living the American Dream that so many of us have forgotten, or wrongfully believe we are simply entitled to. I miss candidates that know what it means to work, so he really is a breath of fresh air to me.
10/06/2011
Contributor: Ash1141 Ash1141
I just want Clinton back
10/06/2011
Contributor: Avant-garde Avant-garde
If there is a better democratic candidate then I would prefer to see Obama replaced.
10/06/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Avant-garde
If there is a better democratic candidate then I would prefer to see Obama replaced.
right, but I'd rather see Obama in office than Santorum, Romney, Bachmann, Gingrich, Perry (I could go on, but there are just too many of them)
10/06/2011
Contributor: Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
right, but I'd rather see Obama in office than Santorum, Romney, Bachmann, Gingrich, Perry (I could go on, but there are just too many of them)
You have to ask yourself - can we stand 4 more years of this? If you're idealogue, any democrat is better than any republican - i get it, but as George Gershwin so aptly opined "It ain't necessarily so".
10/06/2011
Contributor: aliceinthehole aliceinthehole
if you ask me... apples and apples. voting is choosing between equal evils. they're all in it together. it's all fucking fixed anyway.

(im moving to canada.)

10/06/2011
Contributor: The-IT-Guy-And-My-Secretary The-IT-Guy-And-My-Secretary
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Originally posted by big b
can we take four more years.
Well I think now that the free cash give away has taken place, nobodys mortgage and cars have been paid for, and the war he said would be ended under his leadership has been slighly escalated, and we should probably learn chineese due to the greatest country in the world owing china such a large debt.... Oh im sorry did I let my inner conservative out...

No lets keep him in, he has done so well.... Atleast michelle Obama is finally proud to be an American since her husband has become president. (True quote google it)

If you dont like that one.. Hows about "people in Pennsylvania cling to their faith and their guns". Basically saying that people in our great state are ignorant and daft.
10/06/2011
Contributor: The-IT-Guy-And-My-Secretary The-IT-Guy-And-My-Secretary
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Originally posted by Ghost
I voted both because it doesn't matter either way. Whoever is elected will suck.
Im with Elona.
10/06/2011
Contributor: The-IT-Guy-And-My-Secretary The-IT-Guy-And-My-Secretary
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Originally posted by The-IT-Guy-And-My-Secretary
Im with Elona.
One of my favortie obama videos.


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lion king obama

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10/06/2011
Contributor: MrWishyWashy MrWishyWashy
One term for me...
10/06/2011
Contributor: Yaoi Pervette (deleted) Yaoi Pervette (deleted)
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Originally posted by Starkiller87
I agree either way it is going to suck. But I dont blame Obama for it. People act like he could snap his fingers and things would get better. It is gonna take years for our country to get better no matter who is in charge because we were left in such ... more
I agree with your observation about how people just thought everything would magically change once Obama took office. It took a long time for things to get so bad, so I cannot see how people can expect it to be fixed overnight.

I voted for him before, but I honestly feel like every election that I have voted in since I was old enough to vote has been like that South Park episode where the school children had to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich for the school's mascot. I don't really expect things to improve any time soon.

@Markie#78,I loved Bill Clinton, though I wasn't old enough to vote for him.
10/06/2011
Contributor: Yaoi Pervette (deleted) Yaoi Pervette (deleted)
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Originally posted by Beck
He will not be getting my vote, I did not give it to him the first time around. I am not a democrat. I am not sure why anyone blames any president, really it comes down to all of them combined. So they all need fired! And if you are talking about ... more
I agree. Congress hasn't put forth any solutions for anything in a long time. Frankly, partisan politics has been a blight on this country lately. There is so much fighting along party lines that nothing gets done.
10/06/2011