No I am not concerned and if they want to be nosy I hope they see something they should not see anyways.
Are you concerned Big Brother is watching?
06/12/2013
Don't care one way or the other.
06/12/2013
I'm a gamer, so I have to:
06/12/2013
If yall think the government (any government) has no potential for corruption, you need to go back to school and read your history books and read your Orwell. I am astounded at the number of people who don't give a shit or think "they're just gonna catch the bad guys it's ok!". Yeah fucking right. If you think a government, a body that possesses POWER over all the people it's governing, does not have potential for corruption: You're extremely deluded, go dig a hole in the sand and stick your head in it right now because that's essentially what you're doing. If you'd rather not know what the government is doing, same to you. If you don't see the potential for corruption with the government monitoring your every keystroke, you are seriously unintelligent.
06/12/2013
Augustxsins
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This. Exactly this.
Originally posted by
MrWill
While I understand the sentiment of "If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear" I think it is total and complete bullshit.
Most would be blown away at what can be done with a 4 year old laptop on a 1.5mb ... more
Most would be blown away at what can be done with a 4 year old laptop on a 1.5mb ... more
While I understand the sentiment of "If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear" I think it is total and complete bullshit.
Most would be blown away at what can be done with a 4 year old laptop on a 1.5mb connection by someone with no training.
I can, from where I sit right now, take over computers remotely (I've installed software for someone over 800 miles away before), which means I would have full access to every file and folder, the webcam, any microphones, and any network said computer has access to.
Network access provides contact with other machines on the same network, and there is almost always one with more credentials for another network.
Now: Imagine that power being wielded by a couple of hundred of intelligence agents that have access to a super computer with future of the art (the stuff we'll have in 15 year) algorithms that can do allllll kinds of things with a keystroke or two. Oh hey, they've also got access to the cell phone networks, the broadcast networks, and anything you've ever said into a phone/computer/or even in front of a network connected camera.
So: Yeah, it bothers me. It bothers me that a political system that is largely controlled by corporate interests has the technological power to silence (as well as locate, and publicly destroy) someone that could cause a hiccup in some plan they have. Then you throw in the fact that they've got the drones that can blow the top off of a 20oz soda at 10 miles (and still leave enough of the bottle for you to quench your thirst), and yeah I'm a little concerned.
1984 much? Just wait, it won't be long before Monsatano has your Soylent Green waiting for you. less
Most would be blown away at what can be done with a 4 year old laptop on a 1.5mb connection by someone with no training.
I can, from where I sit right now, take over computers remotely (I've installed software for someone over 800 miles away before), which means I would have full access to every file and folder, the webcam, any microphones, and any network said computer has access to.
Network access provides contact with other machines on the same network, and there is almost always one with more credentials for another network.
Now: Imagine that power being wielded by a couple of hundred of intelligence agents that have access to a super computer with future of the art (the stuff we'll have in 15 year) algorithms that can do allllll kinds of things with a keystroke or two. Oh hey, they've also got access to the cell phone networks, the broadcast networks, and anything you've ever said into a phone/computer/or even in front of a network connected camera.
So: Yeah, it bothers me. It bothers me that a political system that is largely controlled by corporate interests has the technological power to silence (as well as locate, and publicly destroy) someone that could cause a hiccup in some plan they have. Then you throw in the fact that they've got the drones that can blow the top off of a 20oz soda at 10 miles (and still leave enough of the bottle for you to quench your thirst), and yeah I'm a little concerned.
1984 much? Just wait, it won't be long before Monsatano has your Soylent Green waiting for you. less
06/12/2013
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Whatever Google has the government can or does have too.
Originally posted by
Gunsmoke
Google knows way more about you than the gov't does. Is Google going to protect you from terrorists?
06/12/2013
LOL!!!!! I just have to laugh at this topic.
I live in China. Everything I do is watched. Sometimes I feel like I am really in a laboratory like a science experiment.
But no. I stopped caring years ago. I feel like I have more freedoms and privacy here than I ever did (or do when I travel) living in North America. Minus the old man peeping Tom at the power company across the street. Or the man who snoopes through my trash- he should get lucky today (I tossed out a toy).
I live in China. Everything I do is watched. Sometimes I feel like I am really in a laboratory like a science experiment.
But no. I stopped caring years ago. I feel like I have more freedoms and privacy here than I ever did (or do when I travel) living in North America. Minus the old man peeping Tom at the power company across the street. Or the man who snoopes through my trash- he should get lucky today (I tossed out a toy).
06/12/2013
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VERY NICE! It's a matter of leadership; we got none! Period!
Originally posted by
eri86
06/12/2013
Liberty and freedom are dying before our eyes. The sad part is we're not safer as a result. We live in the "greatest country in the world" but we cannot seem to get past basic human greed, apathy and indifference. The have protect the haves by governing to the haves which is made up of the haves. They tell you in elementary school that anyone can be president but we all know that's not really true. I love this country but I don't often feel that it loves me back.
06/12/2013
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Everything you do has been watched for years. Anyone who doesn't believe so should look up the Echelon project.
Originally posted by
Woman China
LOL!!!!! I just have to laugh at this topic.
I live in China. Everything I do is watched. Sometimes I feel like I am really in a laboratory like a science experiment.
But no. I stopped caring years ago. I feel like I have more ... more
I live in China. Everything I do is watched. Sometimes I feel like I am really in a laboratory like a science experiment.
But no. I stopped caring years ago. I feel like I have more ... more
LOL!!!!! I just have to laugh at this topic.
I live in China. Everything I do is watched. Sometimes I feel like I am really in a laboratory like a science experiment.
But no. I stopped caring years ago. I feel like I have more freedoms and privacy here than I ever did (or do when I travel) living in North America. Minus the old man peeping Tom at the power company across the street. Or the man who snoopes through my trash- he should get lucky today (I tossed out a toy). less
I live in China. Everything I do is watched. Sometimes I feel like I am really in a laboratory like a science experiment.
But no. I stopped caring years ago. I feel like I have more freedoms and privacy here than I ever did (or do when I travel) living in North America. Minus the old man peeping Tom at the power company across the street. Or the man who snoopes through my trash- he should get lucky today (I tossed out a toy). less
06/12/2013
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I feel the same way.
Originally posted by
eri86
06/12/2013
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Exactly why I am laughing at this topic!!!!
Originally posted by
MrWill
Everything you do has been watched for years. Anyone who doesn't believe so should look up the Echelon project.
06/12/2013
I'm a bit concerned about it.
06/12/2013
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I don't trust the government as far as anyone could throw them. They know how I feel.
Originally posted by
Hallmar82
Are you worried that the government (NSA, IRS, etc.) is collecting and monitoring your on-line activity or phone calls? Not just on EF but any adult website or even Facebook being recorded.
06/13/2013
After a session of questioning from Naval Intelligence when I was fresh out of high school I realized that nothing is sacred or secret. When I said I didnt remember the person in question, the officer pulled out photos of me talking to him on a CLASS TRIP to Europe. The pics were taken in a museum in East Berlin. Why the hell was a group of high school being watched anyway???
Since then I live with the knowledge that we are all being watched. I don't like it,but I have accepted it.
Since then I live with the knowledge that we are all being watched. I don't like it,but I have accepted it.
06/13/2013
It's ridiculous that everyone is monitored and yet some of the worst criminals aren't even questioned. I guess the government is mainly concerned with people that directly affect them.
06/13/2013
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Bwahahahahahaha. Yeah, I've been following this drama. I wasn't planning on picking up the system because of their ridiculous restrictions on reselling/trading games, among other things. The nonsense about needing to be connected to the internet every 24 hours plus the cam being always on, etc, just made me cranky and not interested in ever owning one.
Originally posted by
MrWill
I'm a gamer, so I have to:
06/13/2013
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I'm going to keep throwing things on the tracks and hope I don't derail this thread, but I absolutely ABHOR Playstation controls... but I've already decided I will be gettting a PS4 and figuring out how to use an XBOX control.
Originally posted by
Pixel
Bwahahahahahaha. Yeah, I've been following this drama. I wasn't planning on picking up the system because of their ridiculous restrictions on reselling/trading games, among other things. The nonsense about needing to be connected to the
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Bwahahahahahaha. Yeah, I've been following this drama. I wasn't planning on picking up the system because of their ridiculous restrictions on reselling/trading games, among other things. The nonsense about needing to be connected to the internet every 24 hours plus the cam being always on, etc, just made me cranky and not interested in ever owning one.
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06/13/2013
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Okay Rusty Shackleford, lol.
Originally posted by
Hallmar82
By now your name and particulars have been fed into every laptop, desktop, mainframe and supermarket scanner that collectively make up the global information conspiracy, otherwise known as "The Beast."
06/13/2013
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I don't care, I'm pretty boring where they are interested watching who visits sites with terrorist information.
Originally posted by
Hallmar82
Are you worried that the government (NSA, IRS, etc.) is collecting and monitoring your on-line activity or phone calls? Not just on EF but any adult website or even Facebook being recorded.
06/13/2013
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I'm glad someone caught that reference, hehe.
Originally posted by
Septimus
If Big Brother is watching, I hope he's getting some good recommendations on which sex toys to buy, and learning to avoid toxic toys!
(Also, I love Dale Gribble)
(Also, I love Dale Gribble)
06/13/2013
I don't trust them as far as I can throw them.
06/13/2013
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no, not concerned
Originally posted by
Hallmar82
Are you worried that the government (NSA, IRS, etc.) is collecting and monitoring your on-line activity or phone calls? Not just on EF but any adult website or even Facebook being recorded.
06/13/2013
I'm a lawyer and familiar with the FISA court system, the controversy, and the administration's response. Everyone should care about this. There is no meaningful oversight in this system. Secret oversight =/= oversight.
06/13/2013
Everything has always been being recorded.
06/13/2013
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i dont think its a matter of "if"
Originally posted by
Hallmar82
Are you worried that the government (NSA, IRS, etc.) is collecting and monitoring your on-line activity or phone calls? Not just on EF but any adult website or even Facebook being recorded.
its already been proven.
06/14/2013
Yes, I am concerned. I was even more freaked when I found out Verizon was involved.
06/14/2013
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I suggest you try and understand that the world is not black and white, before accusing people of stupidity and ignorance. You have mentioned George Orwell, I suggest you read William Golding. True 100% democracy is unachievable by nature. We live in the world where every step is recorded, it does not matter whether you are in USA or Zimbabwe. It is not just the internet, there are satellites, CCTVs and a bunch of other information resources.
Originally posted by
sunflower
If yall think the government (any government) has no potential for corruption, you need to go back to school and read your history books and read your Orwell. I am astounded at the number of people who don't give a shit or think "they're
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If yall think the government (any government) has no potential for corruption, you need to go back to school and read your history books and read your Orwell. I am astounded at the number of people who don't give a shit or think "they're just gonna catch the bad guys it's ok!". Yeah fucking right. If you think a government, a body that possesses POWER over all the people it's governing, does not have potential for corruption: You're extremely deluded, go dig a hole in the sand and stick your head in it right now because that's essentially what you're doing. If you'd rather not know what the government is doing, same to you. If you don't see the potential for corruption with the government monitoring your every keystroke, you are seriously unintelligent.
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No one in this thread believes that any, even the most democratic government is ideal and free from shady practices. But you know, sea levels are rising, HIV is spreading, we are all going to die etc, etc ,etc. We are never gonna live in a perfect world, so obsessing about things that are beyond our control is useless. Whether you like it or not, without control there is anarchy.
Yes, hackers can access my personal information. At the same time Obama or Putin can push the Button destroying the world in nuclear explosions. Or maybe I'll die from pesticides in my veggies. All of those things are possible, to one degree or another. I, personally choose to live in a real world instead of fixating on doom and conspiracy theories.
06/14/2013
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I was referring to the people saying "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." I'm not even gonna respond to the rest of this post looool but apparently there is no middle ground between anarchy or complete control. It's either Lord of the Flies or Big Brother to you? That seems pretty black and white to me. I absolutely love your attitude of "everything sucks. oh well. get over it." That is like the summary of your post. I'm sure that sort of positive attitude has changed a lot of things in the world!
Originally posted by
SourAppleMartini
I suggest you try and understand that the world is not black and white, before accusing people of stupidity and ignorance. You have mentioned George Orwell, I suggest you read William Golding. True 100% democracy is unachievable by nature. We live in
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I suggest you try and understand that the world is not black and white, before accusing people of stupidity and ignorance. You have mentioned George Orwell, I suggest you read William Golding. True 100% democracy is unachievable by nature. We live in the world where every step is recorded, it does not matter whether you are in USA or Zimbabwe. It is not just the internet, there are satellites, CCTVs and a bunch of other information resources.
No one in this thread believes that any, even the most democratic government is ideal and free from shady practices. But you know, sea levels are rising, HIV is spreading, we are all going to die etc, etc ,etc. We are never gonna live in a perfect world, so obsessing about things that are beyond our control is useless. Whether you like it or not, without control there is anarchy.
Yes, hackers can access my personal information. At the same time Obama or Putin can push the Button destroying the world in nuclear explosions. Or maybe I'll die from pesticides in my veggies. All of those things are possible, to one degree or another. I, personally choose to live in a real world instead of fixating on doom and conspiracy theories. less
No one in this thread believes that any, even the most democratic government is ideal and free from shady practices. But you know, sea levels are rising, HIV is spreading, we are all going to die etc, etc ,etc. We are never gonna live in a perfect world, so obsessing about things that are beyond our control is useless. Whether you like it or not, without control there is anarchy.
Yes, hackers can access my personal information. At the same time Obama or Putin can push the Button destroying the world in nuclear explosions. Or maybe I'll die from pesticides in my veggies. All of those things are possible, to one degree or another. I, personally choose to live in a real world instead of fixating on doom and conspiracy theories. less
2 weeks ago if someone said "The government is reading my emails and all my emails are being saved in a big computer and my phone calls are being recorded." People would call that person a fucking paranoid lunatic and now everyone is like yeah, I knew that. Of course. Last weeks conspiracy theory is this weeks truth I guess. The NSA thing is a conspiracy, not a conspiracy theory. I'm not living in a world of make believe. Those people on the Doomsday Prepper show are paranoid yeah. I'm not stocking up on cans or anything. But I guess if shit does hit the fan eventually, they'll be doing well. Idk what I'm trying to say here.
06/14/2013
Yep, it's concerning for sure. Oh, and here are just a few (of many) reasons why "I'm not doing anything illegal, so why should I care?" completely misses the point:
(1) Taken to its logical conclusion, that attitude is patently absurd. Let's assume for the moment that you actually don't do anything wrong or illegal in your day to day life. Are you REALLY only concerned with surveillance if there's a chance you might get caught for something? Hey, since good ol' Gdom here doesn't have any law enforcement power, I presume you'd be alright with me just putting a few cameras up in your house, right? But you're probably not alright with that, correct? That would be super weird and creepy. (And you probably aren't even alright with me collecting your metadata) You might trust the government more than someone like me. That makes sense to a degree, but it seems you'd have to believe that the government is all-beneficent to give them that much trust (call me cynical, but that strikes me as profoundly naive).
(2) The fact that you have, in fact, done nothing illegal doesn't prevent you from being arrested or detained. You don't even have to get all conspiracy-theory for this one; I'm not suggesting that the big bad government is going to go round up innocent dissenters and throw them in jail on purpose (that could conceivably happen down the line, but we don't need to go there for this argument). But wrongful convictions happen already. Like, all the time. Now granted, if the surveillance information were totally public, it could actually be used to prove innocence in some of those cases ("Need an alibi? Just look at my NSA phone records"), but that's not going to happen. The information will be tightly held (as it has been for the past 6-7 years) and will be available (often as circumstantial evidence) only to convict, not to acquit.
(3) Surveillance has a chilling effect on free expression, creativity, and spontaneity, even when the expression WOULD BE TOTALLY LEGAL. Incontrovertible evidence shows this to be the case, so even if you truly don't do anything illegal, provided you still want to express yourself (or--if you think you're immune to the chilling effects of surveillance--if you want to live in a more vibrant world where the people around you feel free to voice their opinions and express themselves without looking over their shoulders), the surveillance state is a bad idea.
(1) Taken to its logical conclusion, that attitude is patently absurd. Let's assume for the moment that you actually don't do anything wrong or illegal in your day to day life. Are you REALLY only concerned with surveillance if there's a chance you might get caught for something? Hey, since good ol' Gdom here doesn't have any law enforcement power, I presume you'd be alright with me just putting a few cameras up in your house, right? But you're probably not alright with that, correct? That would be super weird and creepy. (And you probably aren't even alright with me collecting your metadata) You might trust the government more than someone like me. That makes sense to a degree, but it seems you'd have to believe that the government is all-beneficent to give them that much trust (call me cynical, but that strikes me as profoundly naive).
(2) The fact that you have, in fact, done nothing illegal doesn't prevent you from being arrested or detained. You don't even have to get all conspiracy-theory for this one; I'm not suggesting that the big bad government is going to go round up innocent dissenters and throw them in jail on purpose (that could conceivably happen down the line, but we don't need to go there for this argument). But wrongful convictions happen already. Like, all the time. Now granted, if the surveillance information were totally public, it could actually be used to prove innocence in some of those cases ("Need an alibi? Just look at my NSA phone records"), but that's not going to happen. The information will be tightly held (as it has been for the past 6-7 years) and will be available (often as circumstantial evidence) only to convict, not to acquit.
(3) Surveillance has a chilling effect on free expression, creativity, and spontaneity, even when the expression WOULD BE TOTALLY LEGAL. Incontrovertible evidence shows this to be the case, so even if you truly don't do anything illegal, provided you still want to express yourself (or--if you think you're immune to the chilling effects of surveillance--if you want to live in a more vibrant world where the people around you feel free to voice their opinions and express themselves without looking over their shoulders), the surveillance state is a bad idea.
06/14/2013