I use the asterisk for trans*, yes.
Do you use the asterisk?
12/15/2012
I don't use it. I'm with thomas90 on that one.
I don't really care if others use it, but its a bit annoying when people use it incorrectly (for their own damn definition). Like when they say trans*man or trans*woman. The star is supposedly there to include other identities, so if youre a trans man youre not also genderqueer, agender, bigender, etc.
I don't really care if others use it, but its a bit annoying when people use it incorrectly (for their own damn definition). Like when they say trans*man or trans*woman. The star is supposedly there to include other identities, so if youre a trans man youre not also genderqueer, agender, bigender, etc.
12/16/2012
nope. i don't subscribe to the giant big umbrella definition, i'm with thomas90 and needapacker on this.
12/25/2012
I use it. I think it's more inclusive. Trans* people I know also like it, and I think their opinion matters more than cis people's considering they are trans*.
12/26/2012
I use the asterisk but when I think critically about the issue I'm more like "eh, idk."
I use the asterisk like I would on google/when searching, meaning "anything can come after." So like, trans* then anything next
I kind of don't like how trans* tries to swallow everything, though, like those who cross-dress, are intersex (at times), etc. I don't like the argument, "We're a small community as it is. We need to bulk up our numbers by finding a lump label." No! Some of these groups don't want to be included and even say so, like they're like, "I'm not trans*. I just cross dress." So let them be!
Idk.. I'm ambivalent at best toward the asterisk.
There are so many self-determined identity labels for a reason--- otherwise they themself might just call themself trans*
I use the asterisk like I would on google/when searching, meaning "anything can come after." So like, trans* then anything next
I kind of don't like how trans* tries to swallow everything, though, like those who cross-dress, are intersex (at times), etc. I don't like the argument, "We're a small community as it is. We need to bulk up our numbers by finding a lump label." No! Some of these groups don't want to be included and even say so, like they're like, "I'm not trans*. I just cross dress." So let them be!
Idk.. I'm ambivalent at best toward the asterisk.
There are so many self-determined identity labels for a reason--- otherwise they themself might just call themself trans*
12/26/2012
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if you really think trans people's opinions matter more, why are you giving yours at all, assuming you're cis? many trans people don't like the asterisk.
Originally posted by
novanilla
I use it. I think it's more inclusive. Trans* people I know also like it, and I think their opinion matters more than cis people's considering they are trans*.
don't get me wrong, it's great that you're trying to be respectful of your friends' wishes, but... maybe take a leaf out of your own book?
i'd also like to say that i really wish we'd stop this thing of using the word "inclusive" like everything is automatically better the more "inclusive" it is. some things aren't meant to be for everyone. "trans" has a meaning. the meaning isn't "everyone who in some way doesn't necessarily conform to every aspect of the norm of their assigned sex".
12/26/2012
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Thank you about the word "trans" having a meaning.
Originally posted by
hanjonatan
if you really think trans people's opinions matter more, why are you giving yours at all, assuming you're cis? many trans people don't like the asterisk.
don't get me wrong, it's great that you're trying to be ... more
don't get me wrong, it's great that you're trying to be ... more
if you really think trans people's opinions matter more, why are you giving yours at all, assuming you're cis? many trans people don't like the asterisk.
don't get me wrong, it's great that you're trying to be respectful of your friends' wishes, but... maybe take a leaf out of your own book?
i'd also like to say that i really wish we'd stop this thing of using the word "inclusive" like everything is automatically better the more "inclusive" it is. some things aren't meant to be for everyone. "trans" has a meaning. the meaning isn't "everyone who in some way doesn't necessarily conform to every aspect of the norm of their assigned sex". less
don't get me wrong, it's great that you're trying to be respectful of your friends' wishes, but... maybe take a leaf out of your own book?
i'd also like to say that i really wish we'd stop this thing of using the word "inclusive" like everything is automatically better the more "inclusive" it is. some things aren't meant to be for everyone. "trans" has a meaning. the meaning isn't "everyone who in some way doesn't necessarily conform to every aspect of the norm of their assigned sex". less
01/02/2013
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You do know that you don't have to identify as strictly Male or Female (or agender for that matter) to have crippling gender related dysphoria.
Originally posted by
Thomas90
I'd see them as transgender too, because although they themselves identify as gender neutral, they desire to be a different sex to the one they were biologically born with... so that's trans, right?
I agree that the trans unbrella is ... more
I agree that the trans unbrella is ... more
I'd see them as transgender too, because although they themselves identify as gender neutral, they desire to be a different sex to the one they were biologically born with... so that's trans, right?
I agree that the trans unbrella is far wider than people contemplate, but it always gets me questioning; how on earth could we construct a community where some people are in the wrong body, and others are between? its just not the same.
I hate to admit it, but i think in a way, me not using Trans* is just jealously towards the people who identify as Trans* but don't have to go through all the dysphoria other Trans people do. I just can't understand how a community can be constructed with people who feel completely different from one another. An agendered person could like being agendered, and feel no hate towards their body, yet another Trans* person could be the complete opposite.
Sorry for a really long answer, but once i got started i couldnt stop! less
I agree that the trans unbrella is far wider than people contemplate, but it always gets me questioning; how on earth could we construct a community where some people are in the wrong body, and others are between? its just not the same.
I hate to admit it, but i think in a way, me not using Trans* is just jealously towards the people who identify as Trans* but don't have to go through all the dysphoria other Trans people do. I just can't understand how a community can be constructed with people who feel completely different from one another. An agendered person could like being agendered, and feel no hate towards their body, yet another Trans* person could be the complete opposite.
Sorry for a really long answer, but once i got started i couldnt stop! less
01/30/2013
I don't think that there should be an asterisk to make people feel included. I think a trans person is anyone but cis.
01/30/2013
i use it whenever i'm not specifically talking about binary trans people, which happens every once in awhile.
02/01/2013
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