#EdenUpdate - Update 229 has been released

Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Darling Jen
Yay! It's not just me! I'm not crazy!

But then... why does the forum monster hate me? Anyone else's posts getting eaten?
I have not noticed this yet....yikes!
12/13/2010
Contributor: Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
I noticed this and found that I could really only get tasks when I was on at night with no one else. It wasn't even worth trying during the day.

I would think we would want the editors to be the most available to do the job.

There ... more
We average 250 reviews a week. 28 tasks per day have been coming in that require editing, on average. (A total of 508 since 11/25 when tasks started) With 15 editors, at 3 per day, there is more than enough work to go around.

Eventually we will be adding more editors, as well.

There is no rush. Reviews do not have to be published four minutes after they are submitted. If we begin to see a backlog that cannot be cleared up in a day or two, we add more editors.

Easy peasy.

There are people who were making 2000+ points a day before this was modified. That is in no way, shape or form fair - especially since we have SO many wonderful writers here.

Some days more reviews come in than others. If the reviews that come in on Monday don't all get done on Monday, they'll get done on Tuesday when less reviews come in. It's not an issue - but the fairness factor was.

As always when we start a new program - like Mentors and points - it takes some adjusting to make it fair and some people start out with a bang, taking every point they can get. It's our job to fix that.

We have - in a way that works with the average amount of reviews that come in.

We do have basic math skills.
12/13/2010
Contributor: ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
Are mentors still automatically editors?
12/13/2010
Contributor: PussyGalore PussyGalore
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
We average 250 reviews a week. 28 tasks per day have been coming in that require editing, on average. (A total of 508 since 11/25 when tasks started) With 15 editors, at 3 per day, there is more than enough work to go around.

Eventually we ... more
This sounds like an excellent solution Carrie Ann. I have been following these posts religiously since the task program was launched, as I hope to be able to help with the process.
12/13/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
We average 250 reviews a week. 28 tasks per day have been coming in that require editing, on average. (A total of 508 since 11/25 when tasks started) With 15 editors, at 3 per day, there is more than enough work to go around.

Eventually we ... more
I was explaining why I said that you didn't jump down my throat is all.

I was just alarmed by today's amount of reviews. It's insane! I thought the weekend days were the heavier days and I saw like none this weekend! It was just a bit of a shock is all, especially when one refresh there was nothing and then all of a sudden there were like 40.
12/13/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
Are mentors still automatically editors?
I'm confused about this too.

Will there be a fix (if there was not already) to put a mentor's name back up on reviews they mentor not just edit?
12/13/2010
Contributor: Neuron Geek Neuron Geek
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Originally posted by Kindred
There appear to be a number of reviews that have been submitted to the Task Market that are not accessible to me. Review #425-499 are listed and you can take the task. However, when you go to read the review, you get linked back to your own review ... more
All tasks on task market should be available for proofreading. (We have migrated the data for old tasks)
12/13/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Neuron Geek
All tasks on task market should be available for proofreading. (We have migrated the data for old tasks)
Thanks Neuron!

Were you able to address the glitch that was putting the wrong editor/mentors names on edited reviews?
12/13/2010
Contributor: Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by Neuron Geek
All tasks on task market should be available for proofreading. (We have migrated the data for old tasks)
Thanks Neuron Geek
12/13/2010
Contributor: Sammi Sammi
It's about quality, not quantity. I'd rather see an editor edit 3 reviews, take their time, and have them be error free, than have an editor rush through and do a mediocre or poor job on 20.
12/13/2010
Contributor: removedacnt removedacnt
Thanks Neuron Geek!
12/13/2010
Contributor: Victoria Victoria
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Originally posted by Sammi
It's about quality, not quantity. I'd rather see an editor edit 3 reviews, take their time, and have them be error free, than have an editor rush through and do a mediocre or poor job on 20.
*WORD* ... I SO sososososososo AGREE. I have been seeing a lot of errors on "proofread" reviews as well. Quality is key. Not greed-driven quantity.
12/13/2010
Contributor: Neuron Geek Neuron Geek
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Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
Thanks Neuron!

Were you able to address the glitch that was putting the wrong editor/mentors names on edited reviews?
I will check and get back with a status.
12/13/2010
Contributor: Neuron Geek Neuron Geek
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Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
Thanks Neuron!

Were you able to address the glitch that was putting the wrong editor/mentors names on edited reviews?
Could you please pinpoint an example?
12/13/2010
Contributor: Neuron Geek Neuron Geek
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
Are mentors still automatically editors?
No, mentors can use service EdenTasks for review editing purposes but they are not automatically upgraded.
12/13/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Sammi
It's about quality, not quantity. I'd rather see an editor edit 3 reviews, take their time, and have them be error free, than have an editor rush through and do a mediocre or poor job on 20.
Totally AGREED.
12/13/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Neuron Geek
Could you please pinpoint an example?
I submitted a ticket about this with examples last week and I emailed Gary about it as well. They are no longer on the main page so I will have to do some searching to find them again.
12/13/2010
Contributor: ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by Neuron Geek
No, mentors can use service EdenTasks for review editing purposes but they are not automatically upgraded.
The first reviews from my students show me as a editor, I was wondering if that will be the case for now on.
12/13/2010
Contributor: Neuron Geek Neuron Geek
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
The first reviews from my students show me as a editor, I was wondering if that will be the case for now on.
Let me clarify myself. In a way, mentors are editors since they may edit reviews and accept final work, however the difference is that Mentors cannot access tasks on task market until EdenTasks Service is activated in their accounts. If this is an issue of a label we can consider to change it.
12/13/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Victoria
*WORD* ... I SO sososososososo AGREE. I have been seeing a lot of errors on "proofread" reviews as well. Quality is key. Not greed-driven quantity.
I have a feeling that you will see errors due to the fact that not all the editors seem to agree on all the rules of the English language (I have seen some of the same editors allow the same mistakes over and over). Perhaps we should have a -correct grammar rules reference page- of some sort so there is less confusion and more consistency among all of us?

I have a bunch of my own. I can draft one if it would be helpful. I had another editor have me look over something they edited and there were over twenty things they missed (most of them were the same). I explained the errors and that seemed to help a lot. Sometimes, it is just a reminder that we need.

The other day I psyched myself out on the rules of quotations! It drove me nuts lol. I had to go look it up.
12/13/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Neuron Geek
Let me clarify myself. In a way, mentors are editors since they may edit reviews and accept final work, however the difference is that Mentors cannot access tasks on task market until EdenTasks Service is activated in their accounts. If this is an ... more
Got cha! Yes, I think a few of us, myself included have an issue with the label.

To me it is important because my work as an editor is different than that of my mentor work (even though I also edit as a mentor). I want to be seen as a mentor on the reviews that I mentor since it is much more invasive. Does that make sense?
12/13/2010
Contributor: ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by Neuron Geek
Let me clarify myself. In a way, mentors are editors since they may edit reviews and accept final work, however the difference is that Mentors cannot access tasks on task market until EdenTasks Service is activated in their accounts. If this is an ... more
Thanks for the clarification.
12/13/2010
Contributor: Rockin' Rockin'
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Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
I have a feeling that you will see errors due to the fact that not all the editors seem to agree on all the rules of the English language (I have seen some of the same editors allow the same mistakes over and over). Perhaps we should have a -correct ... more
As I understand it, the point of the program is to make reviews easily readable and more understandable to our customers and to our community. There are many, many rules, preferences, and styles of English writing and while we could get into the nitty gritty details, I don't think that's the point of the proofreading program. Is a review readable? Are words spelled correctly? Does a sentence make sense? These are the things I think about when editing a review. While I may make adjustments to punctuation and usage, my main focus is improving clarity for the readers.
12/13/2010
Contributor: removedacnt removedacnt
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Originally posted by Rockin'
As I understand it, the point of the program is to make reviews easily readable and more understandable to our customers and to our community. There are many, many rules, preferences, and styles of English writing and while we could get into the ... more
I agree! I think that getting too nit picky would be a bit ridiculous. And yes, there will be slight differences among the editors as to what needs to be done to improve a review. And we all, even the best of us, even the employees who did it before us, will miss something or make an error ourselves. But I don't think that is the point. I think you put it perfectly Kris, when you said, it's to improve clarity for the readers.
12/13/2010
Contributor: Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
A quick reminder, since we're on the subject of quality vs quantity.

Editors, please be sure you are looking over your own reviews very carefully. Because they auto-publish and you also have editor status, your own work is also held to a certain standard.

I'm seeing more errors on the recent reviews of those who are editors than anywhere else, unfortunately, and this looks horrible. Gross misspellings, misused words, missing words...

Your own work first, guys. THEN edit others.
12/13/2010
Contributor: Alicia Alicia
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Originally posted by Rockin'
As I understand it, the point of the program is to make reviews easily readable and more understandable to our customers and to our community. There are many, many rules, preferences, and styles of English writing and while we could get into the ... more
I agree as well. There are so many rules and variations of rules and exceptions to rules that it'd be incredibly difficult for everyone to be on the same page, and I think the main purpose of the reviews being edited is, like you said, to make them more readable and with correct spelling and decent grammar. I do fix grammar, but I'm sure if one went through my edited reviews with a fine tooth comb they'd find issues to argue.
12/13/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Rockin'
As I understand it, the point of the program is to make reviews easily readable and more understandable to our customers and to our community. There are many, many rules, preferences, and styles of English writing and while we could get into the ... more
I totally agree. It is unreasonable to think that there will be no errors. I hope this is not what is expected. I'm guessing no. The errors I am referring to are things like you're and your or its and it's. Those seem to be very common. Fragments and run-ons are also common. I focus on those and spelling.
12/13/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
A quick reminder, since we're on the subject of quality vs quantity.

Editors, please be sure you are looking over your own reviews very carefully. Because they auto-publish and you also have editor status, your own work is also held to a ... more
Very good point!
12/13/2010
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by Neuron Geek
The following fixes and changes will be released in this update #229:

- Review can be edited by submitting contributor and editor within 21 days after the review submission.
- EF Tags formatting hints were restored on review editor.
- ... more
Excellent on all counts! Thanks guys
12/13/2010
Contributor: Jul!a Jul!a
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Originally posted by Neuron Geek
Could you please pinpoint an example?
This is the review she was referring to, at least one of them anyway: link

I was that person's mentor a while back and approved the review, and so it still showed me when Lauren went to edit the follow up.

I think I've seen a few people mention keeping the mentors listed separately from the editors, even if they are editing, and I think that would be a great idea. In the case of a mentor it could say "This review has been edited and approved by:" and if there was no mentor, or it was for the follow up it could say "This review/follow up review has been edited by:". If it's a possibility that is, I know you guys are all super busy
12/13/2010