Well it was just an idea. I guess I'm just used to having good things taken away since at my work my coworkers constantly break the rules and ruin it for everyone else. (We really do need an eyeroll emote.)

But as I said, 'IF' it must be done.... I don't think it's fair either, but i really do think it's a last minute decision.

Or just have it for those who do reviews and such are are an actual part of the community.

OR, another idea: Your account has to be so many days/weeks/months old before you can start getting points. So if you don't really want to do reviewing, you can still get points... after a certain amount of time.

Totally agree! It's not fair of us to be punished for a few (or one) abuser. Just limit the points or get rid of them completely.

These are good ideas.

I still think that reducing the number of new threads you can earn points for is the most effective solution. That will only hurt spammers, not legit users.

That's what I think should be done. I don't see the need for anyone to post 5 or more discussions a day, and that's even a lot for a single poster! I'm lucky if I can come up with an original question bi-weekly!

Thanks guys. I hope this alleviates everyone's annoyance and concerns. I know it does mine.

It is just the names and avatars that she changed I believe. This caused a lot of confusing when she signed up as a student.

I totally agree. It is easier and more fair to pluck out the bad apples than spread the punishment for their "rottenness" so to speak.

I know I certainly respond to a lot of posts per day, but I do it because I like it, even after I'm not getting points. As for starting posts, I don't think I start more than 1 or 2 a week.

I also agree that everyone should not be punished for the actions of a few. I think the staff is trying to avoid this.

I've Moderated forums before, and it's difficult to take care of stuff like this. But the Mods are allowed to see IP addresses, so an IP ban usually works. (for most ISPs, some use a different IP every time you log on, and it wouldn't work, you can still be identified, but banning the IP for these users won't work, unless you go deeper into the system and I don't remember what that procedure was, because only the Administrator and Web Master had access to that function when I had access to Z Bulletin. It deeper and more serious than an IP ban, but effective.) Again, these actions were reserved for very serious actions, after people had been warned, temporarily banned, warned again, temp banned again or for those who threatened people or got really nasty or verbally abusive.

This was on an other site, it had no commercial connections and the rules were different also.

I think the staff is doing a good job. These things are difficult to deal with, can create bad blood and make people uncomfortable. IMO, the staff is doing what they can at the moment.

I am so glad that EF is so quick to deal with this situation. This is reinforms me that I choose a great company to do reviews with.

The problem with that is that there are couples who review with separate accounts. It's not fair to limit reviews to one IP address because of that.

That's just my .02

I notice she's still doing other things too. I guess the suspension doesn't include that.

This post made me LOL. And I guess that sounds terrible, too

Hell to the yes!! Let's make a date

I'm in!

Thank you for saying the forums are shit. That's sure to make everyone feel wonderful when they come back after a WELL DESERVED holiday weekend, after having put in COUNTLESS hours last week to pacify those who were complaining and unhappy.

We have an Expectations of Conduct and a procedure for discipline we follow when people become a problem. Doing so ensures no one is severely punished without just cause and fair warning. Doing so also takes time. It requires work by the entire team and approval by the owner of the company. Shall I call him on a holiday weekend for you?

Believe me, we understand that the spam and points abuse is annoying. It annoys us too. But a little bit of freaking patience would be DAMNED nice. There have been nearly as many complaining posts on the forum lately as there has been spam.

You guys have to remember that Eden Fantasys isn't just some forum someone decided to make. We're a business. Anything that happens on the forum or within the community can have effects upon the business and must be handled delicately.

I truly hope that these recent threads pointing out how things "should" be done, how they could be "better" and how awful everything is are making someone feel good - because they're making most of us staff feel like hell.

And now? I'm going to go back to attempting to enjoy my only long weekend off all summer.

Hope y'all are enjoying yours.

Very well put!

Sometimes people are just impatient, but they have to realize there are REAL people working behind this company!

Go enjoy your weekend and don't worry about the complainers. They will still be here on tuesday.

I'm one of the whiners. I'm really really sorry. Clueless as I often am, I had no idea I was coming off that way.

I'm a forum addict. Checking them is the first thing I do every day when I come home (after feeding the cats). I just hate to see EF's generosity taken advantage of.

I'll STFU now.

No worries. We just feel a lot of pressure when there are continual forum posts about stuff we already know about and simply need a bit of time to deal with.

This, for example. We just suspended Charlotte Friday evening and by Saturday night the thread is 85 posts long, many of those posts sounding impatient and making assumptions that all the spammers are the same contributor or implying we need to do something Now, right Now. Meanwhile, most of the staff is completely off for the weekend (as we always are, with only minimal checking in to keep an eye on things) and it's a long weekend to boot, where folks are out of town and trying to enjoy the last bit of summer.

It's stressful. We can only do so much, only work so many hours. And I have to admit this thread, in particular, has gotten downright mean. Some of the behavior isn't any better than that of the spammers. For the life of me, I can't understand why people don't message the admins - Kristi is the main forum go to person - and point out the issues they see and tell her their speculations, rather than pronounce them publicly in such a mean way. I don't understand the gang mentality or what anyone thinks it's going to accomplish.

I mean, y'all have read the EoC, right? You know we need actual complaints and flags, for the most part, to deal with these issues, right? That we can't use forum posts made amongst yourselves as complaints/reasons to discipline someone?

Also, tech updates need time to be completed. Our tech guys have a "list" of things they are trying to accomplish that numbers in the multi hundreds. Sometimes, we just need to sit back and be a little patient.

And understanding.

If we suspend or ban someone we face the possibility of having to suffer the fall out for having done so. On one hand, we get blasted for banning too quickly or without enough reason in the opinion of contributors. On the other hand, we get blasted for not banning quickly enough. It begins to feel like a lose/lose situation.

Some of the people commenting on this thread have had warnings issued to them. I can't imagine they'd have been happy if we were ban crazy when they were getting warned, not banned.

Meh. Anyhow.

I'm sorry if I came across as harsh. I did not and never mean to stifle constructive conversation.

Just, yanno, keep in mind that it's the weekend and you have time off. We deserve some, too.

You being everyone, not you Tuesday. I know I replied to your post in particular but I'm speaking mostly in generalities here.

I do appreciate the thoughtful apologies and offer my own if I came across as a harsh. I'll be the first to admit I get harsh when I am stressed. (Hence why Kristi has the forum job! Heh!)