#EdenCooks - Cinnamon Rolls - Monday, Nov 19, 8pm EST

Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
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Originally posted by PropertyOfPotter
I like them being in the evenings. It's harder to do the clubs during the day because my children are up.
^This.
11/19/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
^This.
And me too, but for me because I'm usually at work during the day. I think you win people some times and lose them other times, but at the end of the day people can always reread if they want to learn awesome pastry tips!
11/19/2012
Contributor: Ansley Ansley
I see the benefits of both. For the Halloween stuff, we had a ton of people who wouldn't normally be able to attend at night. For Christmas, we've got a mix of the two.
11/19/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova

Alright, now that it's 8pm, it's time to get officially going! Welcome to the November meeting of Eden Cooks! It's cooler and cooler, so baking makes more and more sense---I'm excited to finally get to share a really fun baking recipe with you!

There are lots of secrets to perfect pastries. Some of the tips I'll share with you focus on taste---others focus on texture.

Think of all the baked goods you know of---in your mind, compare a Bear Claw with a croissant with a baking powder biscuit. Now think of bread---sandwich bread that comes pre-sliced, baguettes, ciabatta, a crispy pizza crust.

Most of the difference in the texture of these breads is a result of the protein content of the flour. (Of course, there are other differences based on yeast amounts, and rise times, and bake style and temperature, and what liquids you use, and whether you add fats.) But, just for the basics, consider the protein content. The more tough or toothsome a bread is, generally, the more protein is left in the grain when they grind it (or the more existed naturally---some cultivars of wheat have more protein than others).

Strong and chewy pizza crusts and baguettes with an open crumb are made with high-protein bread flour. (Usually somewhere around 12% protein by weight.) Soft tender pastries are made with flour whose protein is about 8% by weight. All purpose flour, the easiest kind to find in your grocery store, is about 10%.
11/19/2012
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
(Runs off to figure out the difference between protein and gluten in flour. Turns out they are the same thing)
11/19/2012
Contributor: travelnurse travelnurse
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Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
(Runs off to figure out the difference between protein and gluten in flour. Turns out they are the same thing)
lol
11/19/2012
Contributor: PropertyOfPotter PropertyOfPotter
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Originally posted by Antipova

Alright, now that it's 8pm, it's time to get officially going! Welcome to the November meeting of Eden Cooks! It's cooler and cooler, so baking makes more and more sense---I'm excited to finally get to share a really fun baking ... more
How interesting!
11/19/2012
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
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Originally posted by travelnurse
lol
It's because I'm used to hearing gluten content, not protein content. Learning from different people and places gives you different terms.
11/19/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
(Runs off to figure out the difference between protein and gluten in flour. Turns out they are the same thing)
Well, basically. Depending on the type of flour---rye is super low in gluten (there is still some, enough to trigger allergies for celiac-sprue sufferers), but has a bunch of gliandin which is another kind of protein. It responds differently... but in our hemisphere people very rarely bake with rye so you can gloss over it

... until I become evil and teach sourdough rye one of these months... *evil laugh*
11/19/2012
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
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Originally posted by Antipova
Well, basically. Depending on the type of flour---rye is super low in gluten (there is still some, enough to trigger allergies for celiac-sprue sufferers), but has a bunch of gliandin which is another kind of protein. It responds differently... but ... more
No. No. You will not tamper with my fragile understanding!
11/19/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
No. No. You will not tamper with my fragile understanding!
Just make a venn diagram. Gluten is practically all you need to think about when baking with wheat, but the protein circle is a leeeeetle bigger than that.
11/19/2012
Contributor: travelnurse travelnurse
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Originally posted by Antipova
Well, basically. Depending on the type of flour---rye is super low in gluten (there is still some, enough to trigger allergies for celiac-sprue sufferers), but has a bunch of gliandin which is another kind of protein. It responds differently... but ... more
That sounds good too, Love rye.
11/19/2012
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
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Originally posted by Antipova
Just make a venn diagram. Gluten is practically all you need to think about when baking with wheat, but the protein circle is a leeeeetle bigger than that.
I'll gladly stay in my wheat circle, thanks.
11/19/2012
Contributor: travelnurse travelnurse
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Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
I'll gladly stay in my wheat circle, thanks.
I am a nurse and I have no idea what a venn diagram is.
11/19/2012
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
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Originally posted by travelnurse
I am a nurse and I have no idea what a venn diagram is.
Intersecting circles. link
11/19/2012
Contributor: PropertyOfPotter PropertyOfPotter
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Originally posted by travelnurse
I am a nurse and I have no idea what a venn diagram is.
I'm NOT a nurse and I have no idea what a venn diagram is.
11/19/2012
Contributor: travelnurse travelnurse
Is that something I missed in my basic education?
11/19/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova

I had the most ridiculous bad luck with the post office trying to get some pastry flour mailed to me. So instead I used a grandmother-style trick to boost the starch in my "flour" without increasing the protein content---I boiled and crushed up two tiny little potatoes and added them the my dough. It works out pretty well, and it's a good trick to have handy when your grocery store doesn't carry pastry flour.


Also,

11/19/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by travelnurse
Is that something I missed in my basic education?
I remember spending a lot of time on them in third grade, but basically never after that.
11/19/2012
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
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Originally posted by Antipova

I had the most ridiculous bad luck with the post office trying to get some pastry flour mailed to me. So instead I used a grandmother-style trick to boost the starch in my "flour" without increasing the protein content---I boiled and ... more
Ha!
11/19/2012
Contributor: PropertyOfPotter PropertyOfPotter
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Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
Intersecting circles. link
That's over my head!
11/19/2012
Contributor: travelnurse travelnurse
Oh, ok I think that I was high that day back in the 80's when I was in High School.
11/19/2012
Contributor: PropertyOfPotter PropertyOfPotter
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Originally posted by Antipova

I had the most ridiculous bad luck with the post office trying to get some pastry flour mailed to me. So instead I used a grandmother-style trick to boost the starch in my "flour" without increasing the protein content---I boiled and ... more
thank you!
11/19/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
Well as long as we're all together, knowing that all gluten is protein, but not all protein is gluten.




A step on the way to Perfect Cinnamon Rolls


1.25 cups milk
0.5 cups sugar
1/4 cup (half a stick) butter
2.25 tsp yeast

2 small potatoes (the little teeny thin-peel kind, probably only 1 if using a russet)
4.5 cups flour
1 egg

Topping
1.5 sticks butter
3/4 cup flour
2 Tbsp ground cinnamon



11/19/2012
Contributor: travelnurse travelnurse
Antipova, where in the country are you located?
11/19/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by travelnurse
Antipova, where in the country are you located?
Smack in the geographical middle (excluding AK an HI). So I think my store-brand sugar is from western MN/ North Dakota.

Actually, that kidn of ties in... I've been wondering how often you guys make a special shopping trip in order to cook something, and how often you just adapt your recipe to fit what you have in the house?
11/19/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova

Because potatoes boiling is the longest part of getting the dough started, fill a pot with water and let them start to get soft.



While your potatoes are boiling, fill a heavy-bottomed pot with the sugar, milk, and butter. Using liquid butter to make your dough adds some fat, which makes the dough softer and more elastic, and also improves the flavor. Using milk instead of water to moisten the dough, also, adds a bit of fat... and it also adds a lot of flavor. I like to heat my milk up just to the point of scalding so the proteins shift and you get the nice (to me) leaning-toward-caramel flavor.

Heat the milk and sugar and butter just until you smell a change (this is about 140 Fahrenheit), then pull them from the heat. I put them in a Pyrex cup so they can cool more quickly than if I left them in the pan.


11/19/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
Whoops! Well that's the most careless I've been with images of myself yet! Dag nabbit, teapot! At least I was wearing a stocking cap...
11/19/2012
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
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Originally posted by Antipova
Smack in the geographical middle (excluding AK an HI). So I think my store-brand sugar is from western MN/ North Dakota.

Actually, that kidn of ties in... I've been wondering how often you guys make a special shopping trip in order to ... more
Depends on what it is and whether I feel the need to make it right now.
11/19/2012
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
Is everybody with me so far?
11/19/2012