Childhood Corporal Punishment and Adulthood Sadomasochism: Is There a Link?

Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Yaoi Pervette (deleted)
I don't doubt that spanking has harmful effects. However, I was contemplating the link between spanking and adult kink. I was aware that the article was not a study. Without a study, the link between spanking and kink is open to speculation. ... more
I appreciate your clarifying that. Thank you.

I don't know if there is a link to adult kink. I know it was taught that it was when I was at University, but I don't always believe everything I am taught. (Never stopped me from doing what I think feels good, either.)

I don't know if there are any actual studies on BDSM and childhood hitting. I haven't found any.

It's odd how few studies there are on sex, not to mention even fewer on variables of sexual activity.
07/19/2012
Contributor: Yaoi Pervette (deleted) Yaoi Pervette (deleted)
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Originally posted by P'Gell
I appreciate your clarifying that. Thank you.

I don't know if there is a link to adult kink. I know it was taught that it was when I was at University, but I don't always believe everything I am taught. (Never stopped me from doing ... more
No problem. I actually admire your passion and insight on a variety of hot button issues, so I always enjoy reading your posts.

You would think there would be more studies on sex, considering that topic seems to give people a lot of concern and worry about what's "normal". It might put some minds at ease.
07/19/2012
Contributor: kawigrl kawigrl
i don't think there is a link
07/19/2012
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Yaoi Pervette (deleted)
No problem. I actually admire your passion and insight on a variety of hot button issues, so I always enjoy reading your posts.

You would think there would be more studies on sex, considering that topic seems to give people a lot of concern ... more
Thank you, likewise, Yaoi! I enjoy your post immensely. You're a good logical thinker with a healthy dose of just the right emotion IMO.
07/19/2012
Contributor: Yaoi Pervette (deleted) Yaoi Pervette (deleted)
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Originally posted by P'Gell
Thank you, likewise, Yaoi! I enjoy your post immensely. You're a good logical thinker with a healthy dose of just the right emotion IMO.
Thanks! Coming from you, I take that as the highest compliment.
07/19/2012
Contributor: js250 js250
I was spanked as a child pretty often. I have no tendencies whatsoever for BDSM or domination/submission. If there is any pain at all--I quit. I think sometimes people want to figure out the reason so bad that they make logical issues and reasons for certain behaviors they do not understand. Just my theory, though.
07/19/2012
Contributor: Yaoi Pervette (deleted) Yaoi Pervette (deleted)
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Originally posted by js250
I was spanked as a child pretty often. I have no tendencies whatsoever for BDSM or domination/submission. If there is any pain at all--I quit. I think sometimes people want to figure out the reason so bad that they make logical issues and reasons for ... more
That makes sense.
07/19/2012
Contributor: Hallmar82 Hallmar82
There are only correlational studies that link one behavior (high variability) with another behavior (high variability) - that is corporal punishment and sexual fetishes. For some people there may be a causal link, but correlational studies do NOT provide evidence for causation.
07/19/2012
Contributor: Zandrock Zandrock
Never spanked. A submissive masochist though
07/20/2012
Contributor: sweetpea12 sweetpea12
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Originally posted by Yaoi Pervette (deleted)
I was reading this discussion, and it led me to read some of the sources that P'Gell posted. Reading Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children by Tom Johnson got me thinking about my own sadomasochistic tendencies and how they might relate to the fact ... more
I don't think there's any relation
10/20/2012
Contributor: hyacinthgirl hyacinthgirl
I was both spanked as a child and beaten as a child. I am a dominant who enjoys being on the receiving end of pain play.

When I was spanked as a child, I always knew exactly why I was being spanked. It was a rare, last resort punishment for deliberate disobedience or for engaging in dangerous acts. It was over my clothed buttocks, with an open hand (never an object). It was done privately, rather than in front of my siblings, making it between the parent giving punishment and myself. It was not designed to inflict pain, but to show dominance, and once I reached the age of reason, it was discontinued for other punishments. After a spanking, it was again explained to me why I had been spanked and why I could not do the thing I had done ever again. That is how I intend to use it with my own children, if I have them.

When I was beaten as a child, the cause was usually mysterious. It was a frequent punishment that was seemingly decided on a whim, and the apparent object was to instill pain and fear, rather than to instill a lesson. It was done with a thick wooden paddle mostly on clothed buttocks, but if the nanny doing the beatings was in a bad mood and in poor aim, blows could fall on the legs and lower back. It was done in front of everyone, and if one child was getting beaten, we usually all were beaten, so we got the anticipation down too. After beatings, we were told to get out of her sight and keep our mouths shut.

One was a carefully deliberated action meant to keep me from doing things that might cause me to come to harm (I was spanked for things like trying repeatedly to walk into the fireplace or running into the street), and one was child abuse by a mentally unstable woman who didn't know how else to deal with annoyance (I was beaten for things like not knowing I had to vacuum under the dining room chairs or for crying when her sons called me fat and ugly).

I don't think either shaped my sexuality.
10/20/2012
Contributor: VanillaFreeSex VanillaFreeSex
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Originally posted by Yaoi Pervette (deleted)
I see what you mean. There seems to be quite a bit of anecdotal evidence to support both sides of the argument. Another one of my reservations of the article I linked is that the author cited Freud as a source. I majored in psychology in college, ... more
yes Freud immediately came to mind when I read this poll. i think Freud was the deviant one, he disturbs me very much.

I grew up in a violent home, but was not personally physically abused. I have no doubts that this has absolutely nothing to do with my kinky side, not even subconsciously.

violence and BDSM are completely different.

childhood experiences that may possibly affect sexuality in adulthood are more likely to be sexual abuse or being sexualized as a child in any way. and if someone is spanking their kid in a...elink way- then it's the sexual abuse side of it that is causing effects not the spanking itself.
10/20/2012
Contributor: SoloJoe SoloJoe
maybe for some
10/21/2012
Contributor: magicmac magicmac
Like most kids who acted badly I got spanked as a kid. HOWEVER, it's not the reason I got into BDSM, the reason I got into it was because I saw videos and images when I was a teen and I thought it looked pretty hot and awesome.
10/21/2012
Contributor: RedKyuubi RedKyuubi
I do not think there is a link
10/21/2012
Contributor: vanillaSpice vanillaSpice
There are some really interesting posts here, thank you all.

As for my thoughts... yes, I think there may be a link, but I voted for no. I feel like there's an implied one-to-one relation between the two in the question, which I don't think is right, but childhood experiences absolutely shape adult sexuality. For a different example: how many people can look back at Disney movies and point out one that introduced them to a future fetish?
11/17/2012
Contributor: phoenixfire phoenixfire
I was spanked a few times as a child, but only when I had really crossed a big line, and then only with an open hand. I can remember maybe one occasion when I was slapped in the face. Mostly my parents raised their voices with me a lot. I know that my parents came from abusive homes, so they were trying consciously to break that cycle with me, and I think they succeeded. I spank my child only as an extreme last resort (i.e. he did something that could endanger his life, like running out into the street.)

I am a switch. I don't think spanking in my childhood has anything to do with my kinks, though some other trauma in my background unrelated to my parents may have some bearing on it. (Won't discuss that here.)
12/20/2012
Contributor: RavenInChains RavenInChains
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Originally posted by Yaoi Pervette (deleted)
I was reading this discussion, and it led me to read some of the sources that P'Gell posted. Reading Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children by Tom Johnson got me thinking about my own sadomasochistic tendencies and how they might relate to the fact ... more
Studies show that children who are spanked are likely to be less in control of their emotions and more violent than children who are not spanked. To me, that doesn't have the same control aspect that bdsm is supposed to have.

It is much more likely that people spanked severely as children will grow up to be abusive than into bdsm.

I wasn't spanked and I'm submissive.
12/21/2012
Contributor: Vanille Vanille
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Originally posted by Yaoi Pervette (deleted)
I was reading this discussion, and it led me to read some of the sources that P'Gell posted. Reading Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children by Tom Johnson got me thinking about my own sadomasochistic tendencies and how they might relate to the fact ... more
I was spanked and am a masochistic sub.

I don't think there's a link though.
12/21/2012