Help - Shaving Misery

Contributor: Chilipepper Chilipepper
Hey, all.

Okay, I've studied ALL of the posts here on Eden about shaving before I started so I'd have an idea of what I'm doing and how to go about it.

I bought some bikini clippers with interchangable heads, baby oil, zinc oxide cream. Check.

I took the warm shower, exfoliated as much as I could (through the mass of hair), and patted the area dry. (I will not share the many comical and painful positions I had to get into to clip the hair short enough to shave off [and I still missed a bit]. Let's just say, my back will never be the same again.)

Then the clipping hair short, then the shaving ...

I didn't know it was possible to get the red bumps DURING shaving. Anyway, I slathered some baby oil on and leaving the area open to breathe, but the whole thing (mons, outer and inner labia) feel rather raw. I'll put some of the zinc on it in a bit.

Please, tell me it gets easier and smoother the more often I do this. I've tried shaving twice before in my life (with a razor) and the regrowth was the most hellacious thing I have ever experienced. The only reason I'm doing this at all is because my Master told me that he wanted me smooth and we'll be meeting on Saturday (although doing anything sexual will be up for debate for this visit).

I can't be the only one who's started out doing this and thinking "Is he totally worth this??" Are there any advantages to keep doing this besides not getting public hair in the mouth during oral sex?
05/10/2011
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Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Chilipepper
Hey, all.

Okay, I've studied ALL of the posts here on Eden about shaving before I started so I'd have an idea of what I'm doing and how to go about it.

I bought some bikini clippers with interchangable heads, baby oil, zinc ... more
You need to give it a day or two before you try to fix it.

Two questions: What did you use to shave (oil? cream? soap?)? And did you use a brand new razor?
05/10/2011
Contributor: Chilipepper Chilipepper
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
You need to give it a day or two before you try to fix it.

Two questions: What did you use to shave (oil? cream? soap?)? And did you use a brand new razor?
Wet-dry electric shaver, just out of the package. Did it dry. What should I use while shaving next time? The baby oil? Or try it in the shower with conditioner?

Maybe I need more practice?
05/10/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Chilipepper
Wet-dry electric shaver, just out of the package. Did it dry. What should I use while shaving next time? The baby oil? Or try it in the shower with conditioner?

Maybe I need more practice?
Electric, IMO, BAAAAADDDD.... The clippers are fine for trimming... but for the shave, I'd use a regular razor. Electrics work by pulling the hair and then trimming it. Razor burn city for such sensitive skin.

A fresh razor, with no fewer than 2 blades. I use Venus Disposables for Sensitive Skin. I use Dove Sensitive Skin soap to lather to begin with. THEN I switch to Coochy to get the closer, more protected shave. THEN I spray it down with the Coochy spray and stay unclothed for 10 minutes until it dries. (You can use your regular conditioner until you get some Coochy). I would then put a lotion on the outside part to 1) keep a barrier between your freshly shaven skin and your clothes; and 2) to moisturize the skin/soothe the skin. I use Lubriderm. OUTSIDE ONLY!

What I would do to alleviate the pain and reduce the rash so you can touch up in time for your Master? I'd cover your girly bits with a very warm washcloth for several minutes then let the cool air soothe it. I would do this several times today and tomorrow. I would also put lotion on (for the same reasons as above) when you do have to wear clothes. Then I would try to shave, NOT WITH THE ELECTRIC, again on Thursday to get smoother and touch up. Then I wouldn't do anything to it again until before you see him Saturday.

I would also invest in a fog-proof suction mirror so you can SEE what you're doing. It's not easy for us BBWs to see what we're doing.
05/10/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
Of course, I've decided to quit shaving and just stay trimmed. I hate the pricklies.
05/10/2011
Contributor: Chilipepper Chilipepper
Okay - no electric shaver on the girl parts. Venus disposable razors. Conditioner until I can get the shaving cream on Eden.

Guess I should have gone with the manual razors to start. *eyeroll*

Thanks very much, BBW. You're saving the relationship by helping me, especially with the next few days' of advice.
05/10/2011
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
Good thing you planned ahead and did this a few days early! When I was picking up a boyfriend who'd been away at the airport one afternoon, I brilliantly decided to surprise him by getting waxed *that morning*. Facepalm.

So, follow BBWTT's advice and it'll all work out. Thank goodness you planned ahead!
05/10/2011
Contributor: Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
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Originally posted by Chilipepper
Okay - no electric shaver on the girl parts. Venus disposable razors. Conditioner until I can get the shaving cream on Eden.

Guess I should have gone with the manual razors to start. *eyeroll*

Thanks very much, BBW. You're saving ... more
I strongly agree with BBW on the razor. I actually use Schick intuition with the built in sensitive skin shaving soap, but electric never goes well for me, EVER. Invest in a good quality (no generics if possible!) disposable or replaceable head razor. It makes a world of difference.
05/10/2011
Contributor: BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Tori Rebel
I strongly agree with BBW on the razor. I actually use Schick intuition with the built in sensitive skin shaving soap, but electric never goes well for me, EVER. Invest in a good quality (no generics if possible!) disposable or replaceable head ... more
I find the Intuition head to difficult to control for my genitals... For my legs, they're FANTASTIC though... But I can't bring myself to spend that much on two different brands of razors, so.....
05/10/2011
Contributor: Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
I find the Intuition head to difficult to control for my genitals... For my legs, they're FANTASTIC though... But I can't bring myself to spend that much on two different brands of razors, so.....
That makes sense. It's definitely a little difficult to use, moreso than a Venus or something along those lines, but with time I've figured out the positioning....or contortioning LOL I'm also a bit of a coupon queen and get most of them for free
05/10/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Chilipepper
Hey, all.

Okay, I've studied ALL of the posts here on Eden about shaving before I started so I'd have an idea of what I'm doing and how to go about it.

I bought some bikini clippers with interchangable heads, baby oil, zinc ... more
The first few times you shave are the worst. I used to get bumps and ingrown hairs and misery. I quit doing it for years when I was a teen, because of the pain. But, I didn't give it a chance.

I've found that after a few months of regular shaving, the skin either toughens up or the hair tips might not be so course. It seems a lot easier after a month or two.

I use lots of soap when I shave, I use a new head on a Venus razor, soak in the tub for a while first, then shave carefully with the place to be shaved coated with soap (using a mirror can really help. I'll be writing a review of the Sex in the Shower Shaving Mirror we carry soon) then if its irritated put hydro cortisone on (paper thin layer only) then cover it with Bath and Body Works Body Butter. (I've had kids and zinc oxide reminds me too much of diapers. )

It's going to be better soon!
05/10/2011
Contributor: Andromeda Andromeda
Okay, not to be Negative Nancy here, but depending on how sensitive your skin is, you may still get flare ups like this when you shave. After nearly 7 years of shaving it off, I STILL get red bumps when I shave... but I also have hypersensitive skin. I also cannot have sex within a five hours of shaving because I will get hives from the friction during sex.

It's going to take some trial and error to figure out what works for you.
05/10/2011
Contributor: Chilipepper Chilipepper
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Originally posted by P'Gell
The first few times you shave are the worst. I used to get bumps and ingrown hairs and misery. I quit doing it for years when I was a teen, because of the pain. But, I didn't give it a chance.

I've found that after a few months of ... more
Thank you, P'Gell. Your words helped in giving me hope. I don't blame you about the zinc oxide scent - I'm reminded of how friends' babies smelled, too.

Really, everyone, thanks for your encouragement and advice. Maybe everything will be in better shape for my winter holiday in England when I visit him.
05/10/2011
Contributor: newlady newlady
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Originally posted by Tori Rebel
I strongly agree with BBW on the razor. I actually use Schick intuition with the built in sensitive skin shaving soap, but electric never goes well for me, EVER. Invest in a good quality (no generics if possible!) disposable or replaceable head ... more
I LOVE the Schick Intuition! I use a bit of conditioner first to soften the hairs and then the Schick. Works great. At first, I did get red bumps, but I picked up this stuff called "Bikini Zone" and it actually helps take the bumps down and also helps with the pain/itch. Smells kinda medicine-y, but works super.
05/10/2011
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by Andromeda
Okay, not to be Negative Nancy here, but depending on how sensitive your skin is, you may still get flare ups like this when you shave. After nearly 7 years of shaving it off, I STILL get red bumps when I shave... but I also have hypersensitive ... more
I'm pretty sensitive like Andromeda, and after a fairly long process of trial and error, never-ending razor bumps and ingrown hairs, I decided I was better off just keeping the upper part of my hair trimmed, and only shaving the labia. This has worked pretty well for me, because the labia still feel smooth and there's no hair in the way when his face is down there. I can shave every morning in the shower, too, because it's quicker to only take care of a few inches. And I feel like a bit of trimmed hair is lots prettier than razor burn, to me, at least.
05/10/2011
Contributor: CuteDee CuteDee
I usually shave on the toliet or sitting on the edge of the tub. I use my bf's shavers (Mach 5) and get a good close shave. Im weird cuz I dont use any shaving cream... I do it dry! I did pick up some clippers and buzz the top and sides but use the razor for the inside lips. I sometimes get razor burn but just suffer through it cuz it doesnt seem to last for long. Good luck!!
05/10/2011
Contributor: Eden C. Eden C.
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Originally posted by Chilipepper
Wet-dry electric shaver, just out of the package. Did it dry. What should I use while shaving next time? The baby oil? Or try it in the shower with conditioner?

Maybe I need more practice?
I use a shaver BEFORE getting wet (the least irritation can be created when using electric trimmers dry). Then I use a men's triple-blade razor in the shower for touch-ups.

Try shaving with the grain (shave top to bottom on the mons pubis and back to front on the labia).

Men's razors are better for pubic hair than women's razors (even the Venus!) because pubic hair resembles the texture of male facial hair more than a woman's leg hair.

Failing that, do what BBWTT suggested and trim rather than shave. It's also what I do.
05/10/2011
Contributor: ToyGurl ToyGurl
I personally think nobody should shave if it makes them uncomfortable. Shaving may not be safe for you. You could be allergic to the actual razors themselves. Yes, this can happen even if you shave your legs just fine. Your genital area reacts completely different than the rest of your body. It is much more sensitive.

Eden C. is correct. Shaving with the grain is going to cause less of an irritation. One thing you can try is waxing if you are determined to get rid of that hair. OR lasers if you have the money, but I don't say you should go that far. The only issue with waxing is that it has been known to decrease vaginal/clitoral sensitivity over time. This can make it hard to orgasm. I wax once in a blue moon to reduce irritation and make the hairs grow back looking thinner. It isn't pleasant, but it gets the job done. On the pain scale of 1 to 10, I place it at 8.

But here is an easy way to shave correctly, and avoid that bad reaction.

First off:

Start your exfoliation using a dead sea salt scrub. Salt kills bacteria that might be swept into open skin while shaving - this is one cause of those unsightly and painful bumps. Scrub until you've covered the entire shaving area, and then rinse with water. Go as warm as you can.

Lay a wet, warm towel over your shaving area. Go as wet and as hot as you can go. This helps to soften the skin and get it ready for shaving.

Next, using a male's razor, beging to shave. Begin shaving as you usually would; Against the grain. If you still feel irritated, this most likely means you are allergic to the razor. Continue shaving, but with the grain. Don't be scared of being stubbly. Often when you dry, you can hardly feel that.

Anything of the more expensive male razors are going to give you a better shave. It's weird, but the vaginal area is a lot like a man's face. You get the same coarse hair, same sensitive skin, etc. My fiance let me use his new razor to shave down there because he didn't like it (this is also a bad idea to share razors, but we're getting married so whatever). It gives a much better close shave, even with the grain. No irritation because they are specifically designed not to leave razor irritation. Nobody wants that on their face.

Try washing the area afterward with a face wash made for acne. I like clean and clear with exfoliating beads. Do not get too close to the inner vaginal area (don't go past the labia). Salicylic Acid has worked best for me. I even use it on my legs. This wont burn, and it gets rid of any infections that might be brewing. Even if you are red that night, you wont be the next morning.

Finish this process off by moisturizing the area with an organic aloe vera gel. Straight off the plan works too, but I prefer to buy it for the additives. For example, my lotion has added vitamin E and fish oil. Both great for skin. Especially scars.

The next day, the bumps might still be there. If they look slightly red, and somewhat like the first stage of a pimple. Try Clean and Clear acne spot treatment. It comes in a metallic tube with a purple cap. Put a small amount on each spot and let it work it's magic.

Sweating can also be a major cause of these bumps, if they come up the next day and not that night. Everybody sweats, even if we don't feel or notice it. Try using a baby powder made for sensitive skin, and pat down the area after showering. Don't use too much. Just a little bit will do. Do not use any type of underarm deodorant. It's made completely different and you will get a quite unpleasnt rash.

Do this everytime you shave, and try to only shave your lady garden once a week. Shaving too much can be bad for your sensitive skin. If problems persist, see a skin doctor. They can offer products to help relieve these issues as well.
05/10/2011
Contributor: ToyGurl ToyGurl
Also, if you are allergic to powders, such as talcum... Another helpful idea for you that helps with the long-term occurance of bumps is baby wipes or feminine wipes. (Baby wipes contain the same stuff, just cheaper and less... feminine?)

Keep a few in a small case or bag in your purse and wipe a few times a day. Clean all around your genitals. Between your legs, around the labia, etc. Dirt, grime, fibers, dried sweat, etc. builds up throughout the day. Even if you can't feel it. This will help get rid of that.

I don't recommend washing your inner genitals with wipes because over-washing can actually lead to yeast infections. You have to let your vagina take care of itself. We're just handling the skin problems.
05/10/2011
Contributor: Chilipepper Chilipepper
STL, thanks for the step-by-step advice and what to use. And the follow.
05/10/2011
Contributor: Eden C. Eden C.
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Originally posted by ToyGurl
I personally think nobody should shave if it makes them uncomfortable. Shaving may not be safe for you. You could be allergic to the actual razors themselves. Yes, this can happen even if you shave your legs just fine. Your genital area reacts ... more
Lasers are not always worth it, though. I had laser hair removal, and it was very, very, very painful and did not work.

I have really sensitive skin, and the salicylic acid in the Clean & Clear irritated my skin. (Sadly, skin can become allergic to things like salicylic acid, which is present in pretty much every living cell).
05/10/2011
Contributor: ToyGurl ToyGurl
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Originally posted by Eden C.
Lasers are not always worth it, though. I had laser hair removal, and it was very, very, very painful and did not work.

I have really sensitive skin, and the salicylic acid in the Clean & Clear irritated my skin. (Sadly, skin can become ... more
Yeah, I definitely don't like the idea of lasering anything. I've had a few places done but not a lot... and I literally had to be put out. I found it less painful than waxing, but the fact that it costs so much and you have to go in over and over - it's ridiculous.

If you are allergic to Salicylic acid, the sea salt alone would help. I have sensitive skin also. I had rashes since I was a little girl, and salt baths were my safe haven. The Clean and Clear has never bothered me. That's just what I use. You can play around. Basically if you can use it on your own face without irritation, it should be good down there. Those two areas are very similar. However, like I said, everyone is different. Doctors do offer creams to get rid of those bumps but you'll pay a fortune for things almost identical to face lotions and washes.
05/10/2011
Contributor: Illusional Illusional
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Originally posted by Chilipepper
Okay - no electric shaver on the girl parts. Venus disposable razors. Conditioner until I can get the shaving cream on Eden.

Guess I should have gone with the manual razors to start. *eyeroll*

Thanks very much, BBW. You're saving ... more
I use Veet, an exfoliator scrub and some cocoa butter.
05/10/2011
Contributor: Eden C. Eden C.
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Originally posted by ToyGurl
Yeah, I definitely don't like the idea of lasering anything. I've had a few places done but not a lot... and I literally had to be put out. I found it less painful than waxing, but the fact that it costs so much and you have to go in over and ... more
Where did you find a place that would laser under anesthesia? I would really like to try that.
05/10/2011
Contributor: Eden C. Eden C.
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Originally posted by Illusional
I use Veet, an exfoliator scrub and some cocoa butter.
I personally find depilatories to be even more irritating than shaving. Everyone is different, but for the love of God, DO A PATCH TEST FIRST!
05/10/2011
Contributor: indiglo indiglo
I'm not much help, because I use an electric shaver dry. Actually, I trim, and then use this pre-electric lotion to make the hairs stand up more. Then, once it's totally dry, I shave. It really works for me, but I think I must have a vulva of steel, because I've used Nair before too and it didn't do anything bad either.

Lots of good advice here though, and I wish you the best!
05/10/2011
Contributor: starsNairguitars starsNairguitars
I found that the more i shaved....the easier it got. others things i do that help a lot was used a deep conditioner to soften the hair and usually a sharp razor
05/11/2011
Contributor: Chilipepper Chilipepper
Thanks to the after-care advice given by several members, there is no redness this morning (except a couple of nicks) and I'll be ready to finish up tomorrow.

You all have been incredibly helpful to this 'Shave the Proper Way' newbie.
05/11/2011
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Eden C.
Where did you find a place that would laser under anesthesia? I would really like to try that.
I don't know. In the state where I live only MDs, Dentists and licensed Nurse Anesthetists under the supervision of an MD can give any kind of anesthesia. Even regular RNs can't give it under any circumstance, not even midwives. Our state is pretty strict about anesthesia, as it is SO dangerous and death can occur so quickly if the right monitoring equipment isn't used and used properly.
05/11/2011
Contributor: Liz2 Liz2
All great advice. I shave regularly, no patterns and my pubes have adapted. I use a razor non electric, usually just with my basic hair conditioner. The redness will alleviate and you should be fine.
I would suggest that in the meantime, try to avoid tight panties and when possible, baby the pubes with lotion (at night) until the irritation subsides.
05/11/2011