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Contributor: the_mohawk the_mohawk
hi,

the other day i cleaned my silicone tantus toy by boiling some water in the kettle and then pouring it into a bowl (did this process twice to warm up the bowl so as not to lose too much heat due to cold bowl) i then placed the silicone toy in the water and left it. i accidentally left it in their for a good 20 minutes. the toy seems fine but just to be sure i thought i would check whether that could have done anything to the toy?

i assume that unlike constant boiling water, water from a kettle would begin to cool fairly quickly and within a few minutes would be not much warmer than a hot bath?

i ask this just because i have read of people saying not to leave the toy in constant boiling water for longer than 2-3 minutes... but realized this was a bit different as it was boiled water form a kettle that is no longer boiling once removed from the kettle...
12/07/2009
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Contributor: GingerAnn GingerAnn
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12/07/2009
Contributor: Gary Gary
Quote:
Originally posted by the_mohawk
hi,

the other day i cleaned my silicone tantus toy by boiling some water in the kettle and then pouring it into a bowl (did this process twice to warm up the bowl so as not to lose too much heat due to cold bowl) i then placed the silicone toy ... more
The temperatures that affect silicone were discussed in this thread. I believe that as long as the temperature does not reach 600 degrees there are no worries.
12/07/2009
Contributor: the_mohawk the_mohawk
Quote:
Originally posted by Gary
The temperatures that affect silicone were discussed in this thread. I believe that as long as the temperature does not reach 600 degrees there are no worries.
For clarification:

so basically water in a kettle or water boiling on a stove will never actually reach anything even close to 600 degrees in normal atmospheric pressure? That was my understanding... because the water continues to evaporate at its boiling point which is only around 212 degrees... so the only thing that could effect the silicone is if it was sitting on the bottom of the pan which is metal and could get much hotter...

so i gather that you could leave your silicone product in the water boiling for as long as you like, while there is always water in the pot...???

im specifically talking about tantus here as they have identified that their products are okay up to 600 degrees...
12/07/2009
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
Quote:
Originally posted by Gary
The temperatures that affect silicone were discussed in this thread. I believe that as long as the temperature does not reach 600 degrees there are no worries.
that's some REALLY hot tea!
12/07/2009
Contributor: ScottA ScottA
You could even throw silicone toys in a pressure cooker without any problems (and which I would do if I used them with someone who had a STI).
12/08/2009
Contributor: ScottA ScottA
Quote:
Originally posted by ScottA
You could even throw silicone toys in a pressure cooker without any problems (and which I would do if I used them with someone who had a STI).
Silicone mixes (TPR silicone and its ilk) would likely have a problem with boiling water.

If you're boiling to sterilize you'll want to leave the toy in for probably 5 minutes anyway, otherwise things can survive and come crawling out to get you.
12/08/2009
Contributor: the_mohawk the_mohawk
Quote:
Originally posted by ScottA
Silicone mixes (TPR silicone and its ilk) would likely have a problem with boiling water.

If you're boiling to sterilize you'll want to leave the toy in for probably 5 minutes anyway, otherwise things can survive and come crawling out to get you.
so would water from a kettle still sterilize given that once out of the kettle it is slowly cooling?
12/08/2009
Contributor: J's Alley J's Alley
Quote:
Originally posted by the_mohawk
so would water from a kettle still sterilize given that once out of the kettle it is slowly cooling?
I think it needs to remain boiling for the 5 minutes while the toy is in it. You could always use a 10% bleach solution to clean your toys (depending on the toy of course).
12/08/2009
Contributor: Jill Ingoff Jill Ingoff
Quote:
Originally posted by ScottA
Silicone mixes (TPR silicone and its ilk) would likely have a problem with boiling water.

If you're boiling to sterilize you'll want to leave the toy in for probably 5 minutes anyway, otherwise things can survive and come crawling out to get you.
"come crawling out to get you"

LOL!
12/08/2009
Contributor: ScottA ScottA
Quote:
Originally posted by the_mohawk
so would water from a kettle still sterilize given that once out of the kettle it is slowly cooling?
It would get rid of some but not all.

If it's a toy that's single-person and you're not changing from anus to anything else, cleaning with hot water should be sufficient. If you want to sterilize, put it in boiling water, bring it back up to a rolling boil, and let it sit about 5 minutes (provided you're not at the top of the Rocky Mountains or Himalayas, there you might need to do something else)
12/08/2009
Contributor: the_mohawk the_mohawk
so do you always boil or bleach a new toy?
12/08/2009
Contributor: EffinSara EffinSara
I don't know if you guys paid attention in chemistry class at all, but basically during the phase change of a substance (from solid to liquid, liquid to solid, liquid to gas, etc.) that substance will remain the same temperature until it has completely changed to the next phase. That means that boiling water will not get any hotter than 100c (unless there's something like salt dissolved in it, or unless it's under high pressure, like in a pressure cooker or autoclave). It doesn't really matter how long you boil a dildo; it's not going to get any hotter than 100c as long as there's still water in the pot.

Also, pure silicone is used in medical applications and can be run through a full autoclave cycle just fine.

While pouring water from a kettle may help a little with sterilization, I have a feeling that it would be best to keep the toy in boiling water the whole time.
12/08/2009
Contributor: the_mohawk the_mohawk
possibly another silly question... but given what toys are used for would you really want to have a second pot that you use purely for your toys? as apposed to using the one that you are going to cook pasta in for your next dinner party? LOL!
12/08/2009
Contributor: EffinSara EffinSara
Quote:
Originally posted by the_mohawk
possibly another silly question... but given what toys are used for would you really want to have a second pot that you use purely for your toys? as apposed to using the one that you are going to cook pasta in for your next dinner party? LOL!
I have a separate one, but that's because I have housemates and don't want to totally gross them out.

Especially since you're boiling water in the pot, with proper cleaning there really shouldn't be an issue. It's really just the psychological aspect of it.
12/08/2009
Contributor: ScottA ScottA
I wash new toys, but generally don't bother with sterilizing them. They're new, and the manufacturer's quality control doesn't extend to testing each one in real life.

I sterilize when changing between anal and anything else and when changing people. Sometimes I boil, sometimes I bleach.

Make sure you thoroughly clean the toys before sterilizing, and then you can just use your regular pots. It's highly unlikely that there's anything on a cleaned toy that isn't also present in some level in food, and when done right sterilizing completely kills all microorganisms on the toy.
12/09/2009
Contributor: the_mohawk the_mohawk
me again...

so i tried boiling my silicone toy; a tantus silk medium. i noticed it was a little tacky before hand... after boiling i noticed it seemed even more tacky to feel! alot more tacky than my other tantus toys... is this normal?

also, i read that the toy shouldnt touch the bottom of the pot? well even at full boil my toy didnt want to float instead it just rolled around on the bottom... i left it in for 5 minutes... could the toy have been damaged in anyway?
12/16/2009
Contributor: ScottA ScottA
Quote:
Originally posted by the_mohawk
me again...

so i tried boiling my silicone toy; a tantus silk medium. i noticed it was a little tacky before hand... after boiling i noticed it seemed even more tacky to feel! alot more tacky than my other tantus toys... is this ... more
As long as the pot is relatively thick bottomed (not super cheap) and there's water in the pot it's not going to get much over 212F/100C. It's not harmed. The tackiness could be caused by it being clean (dust and oils can mask the natural tackiness of silicone) and perhaps just by this particular toy's characteristics (shiny surfaces are tackier, and it can vary by the consistency of the silicone, too.

I wouldn't worry about it.
12/16/2009
Contributor: the_mohawk the_mohawk
well the pot was quite cheap as i only wanted it for this purpose. cost about $18 for a 24cm diameter and 15cm deep. this tantus silk is the most flexible/wobbly tantus toy i have purchased...seems quite different to the others... got it from tantus direct.
12/17/2009
Contributor: Floral Floral
Quote:
Originally posted by ScottA
I wash new toys, but generally don't bother with sterilizing them. They're new, and the manufacturer's quality control doesn't extend to testing each one in real life.

I sterilize when changing between anal and anything else ... more
ScottA,
You say you don't sterilize new toys. A concern of mine has been that some toy sellers accept returns. If there is no tampering device used how does one know that the toy hasn't been used and returned by someone else?

You also say that a toy needs to be boiled for 5 minutes in order to be totally sterilized. I got a new toy and boiled it for four minutes, then it was washed twice with soap and very hot water before I used it (which was just yesterday). Now I am concerned after reading the info you posted... should I be?
07/29/2011