this thread is all unproductive and unprofessional. i'll be back in a few weeks to find out what happens next. and will spare myself all this drama in the mean time.
#Announcement - Goodbye Everyone!!! (Gary has left the building)
05/16/2013
You guys are literally shooting the messenger. Stormy came back to try to stabilize everything for us. I won't argue that this is not scary and frustrating, but calling Stormy names is way out of line. We are all adults here. Stormy didn't fire anyone. Stormy didn't make any of the decisions you are mad about. Stormy is now trying to do the work of a whole team, so let's take a break, breathe, and see how this turns out.
05/16/2013
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This is what a company in its death throes looks like.
Originally posted by
LicentiouslyYours
Here, I'll say it. Stormy, you're a vulture (more accurate than a scab). What's worse is you KNOW the truth and you chose to come back and blow sunshine and bullshit up everyone's collective ass, not because you care, but because you
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Here, I'll say it. Stormy, you're a vulture (more accurate than a scab). What's worse is you KNOW the truth and you chose to come back and blow sunshine and bullshit up everyone's collective ass, not because you care, but because you saw an opportunity to cash in.
What if the new community director is a porn star?? If Fred can't afford to keep even one person on staff, who knows not only the community but the mechanics of the review program administration how the hell does he afford to bring on a star who would obviously only be a spokesperson?
This company might be able to scrape by with a skeleton crew and survive but what Fred always failed to realize is that the company's value was as much about the community as anything else.
Fred fired all community admins without any plan. The only reason stormy is here is because she approached Fred and offered to do damage control. This should tell everybody exactly what they need to know: Fred gave no thought to any of you when he made his decision and seeks now to try to save his reputation by taking Stormy up on her offer.
The idea that Eden has earned your loyalty is an illusion propagated by the people who ran the community - because they DID care. If you want to be loyal, be loyal to THEM and take your business elsewhere. If you're just here for the free shit - well the spend your points fast. less
What if the new community director is a porn star?? If Fred can't afford to keep even one person on staff, who knows not only the community but the mechanics of the review program administration how the hell does he afford to bring on a star who would obviously only be a spokesperson?
This company might be able to scrape by with a skeleton crew and survive but what Fred always failed to realize is that the company's value was as much about the community as anything else.
Fred fired all community admins without any plan. The only reason stormy is here is because she approached Fred and offered to do damage control. This should tell everybody exactly what they need to know: Fred gave no thought to any of you when he made his decision and seeks now to try to save his reputation by taking Stormy up on her offer.
The idea that Eden has earned your loyalty is an illusion propagated by the people who ran the community - because they DID care. If you want to be loyal, be loyal to THEM and take your business elsewhere. If you're just here for the free shit - well the spend your points fast. less
05/16/2013
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WOW! I feel bad because I have not been on here in ages (Life has been hell) and now I feel like my community is gone! All of you will be dearly missed.
Originally posted by
Gary
I started working with the Eden Community on January 5th, 2009 and as of 1:10pm on Friday, May 10th, my 4.5 years with EdenFantasys has come to an abrupt end. I have really enjoyed the time spent here getting to know all of you, and watching so many
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I started working with the Eden Community on January 5th, 2009 and as of 1:10pm on Friday, May 10th, my 4.5 years with EdenFantasys has come to an abrupt end. I have really enjoyed the time spent here getting to know all of you, and watching so many of you grow from being sex toy newbies into reviewers, experts, teachers, writers and friends. I've always felt very proud of the way that anyone could ask anything they needed here, and someone would take the time to help them, or at least let them know that someone cares. You should ALL be very proud of yourselves for the amazing community that we've created together.
I am very sorry if anyone was left hanging over the last few days. I can't really go into any details here (or this thread will likely get deleted), but I have no advice for any of you as to who or where you can turn with any of your questions, concerns, or problems (as myself, Carrie Ann, Emma, Jaimes, Sammi and Justin are all no longer here).
If any of you would like to contact me personally, for any reason, you are more than welcome. I can answer any of your questions in my private email account. GarySteinour@Gmail.com less
I am very sorry if anyone was left hanging over the last few days. I can't really go into any details here (or this thread will likely get deleted), but I have no advice for any of you as to who or where you can turn with any of your questions, concerns, or problems (as myself, Carrie Ann, Emma, Jaimes, Sammi and Justin are all no longer here).
If any of you would like to contact me personally, for any reason, you are more than welcome. I can answer any of your questions in my private email account. GarySteinour@Gmail.com less
05/16/2013
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Thank you.
Originally posted by
KrissyNovacaine
You guys are literally shooting the messenger. Stormy came back to try to stabilize everything for us. I won't argue that this is not scary and frustrating, but calling Stormy names is way out of line. We are all adults here. Stormy didn't
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You guys are literally shooting the messenger. Stormy came back to try to stabilize everything for us. I won't argue that this is not scary and frustrating, but calling Stormy names is way out of line. We are all adults here. Stormy didn't fire anyone. Stormy didn't make any of the decisions you are mad about. Stormy is now trying to do the work of a whole team, so let's take a break, breathe, and see how this turns out.
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05/16/2013
This is ridiculous. Attacking (temporary) admins is a waste of your time and energy.
From where I sit, whether or not Stormy "swooped in" is irrelevant. She cared enough about the community here to jump in and try to help us understand something that it doesn't appear that anybody higher up can or will explain.
Lashing out isn't doing anyone any good and frankly, all the dramatics are silly. Shit happens, companies change, people are fired for seemingly no reason. Goodness.
To all the admins that have been let go, I didn't know any of you personally or even well, but I appreciated you and I'm sorry to see you go. I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavors, whatever they may be!
From where I sit, whether or not Stormy "swooped in" is irrelevant. She cared enough about the community here to jump in and try to help us understand something that it doesn't appear that anybody higher up can or will explain.
Lashing out isn't doing anyone any good and frankly, all the dramatics are silly. Shit happens, companies change, people are fired for seemingly no reason. Goodness.
To all the admins that have been let go, I didn't know any of you personally or even well, but I appreciated you and I'm sorry to see you go. I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavors, whatever they may be!
05/16/2013
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Well said.
Originally posted by
KrissyNovacaine
You guys are literally shooting the messenger. Stormy came back to try to stabilize everything for us. I won't argue that this is not scary and frustrating, but calling Stormy names is way out of line. We are all adults here. Stormy didn't
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You guys are literally shooting the messenger. Stormy came back to try to stabilize everything for us. I won't argue that this is not scary and frustrating, but calling Stormy names is way out of line. We are all adults here. Stormy didn't fire anyone. Stormy didn't make any of the decisions you are mad about. Stormy is now trying to do the work of a whole team, so let's take a break, breathe, and see how this turns out.
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05/16/2013
Yep, it's totally "silly" for everyone pissed off about this because "shit happens" like this all the time. Mad at no real answers, mad for those that got let go.
So many other people saying stuff like that just makes me go like this:
Excuse me and everyone else for being scared that this place is ending....I just can't wrap my head around how getting rid of Gary, Carrie Ann and the others can be a good thing. Even if they stick around the forum, it just WON'T be the same. I'd hate to lose this place that I come so often to get my mind off the BS in my life.....but it's hard to not have a foreboding sense of what is to come! What are we going to do without THEM? I don't think it's being over dramatic at all to have these emotions.
So many other people saying stuff like that just makes me go like this:
Excuse me and everyone else for being scared that this place is ending....I just can't wrap my head around how getting rid of Gary, Carrie Ann and the others can be a good thing. Even if they stick around the forum, it just WON'T be the same. I'd hate to lose this place that I come so often to get my mind off the BS in my life.....but it's hard to not have a foreboding sense of what is to come! What are we going to do without THEM? I don't think it's being over dramatic at all to have these emotions.
05/16/2013
Well this... is confusing and disconcerting
I wish I knew what was going on, but all I can say now is much love to you Gary, and to all the other staff, and I wish you all the best. I hope things at Eden will continue to be awesome
I wish I knew what was going on, but all I can say now is much love to you Gary, and to all the other staff, and I wish you all the best. I hope things at Eden will continue to be awesome
05/16/2013
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You are way out of line! Stormy cares about the people here at Eden, which is why she's doing this crap in the first place! I personally talked to Stormy after she left, and I won't go into detail about her reasoning, but I can say I truly feel that Stormy CARES about us.
Originally posted by
LicentiouslyYours
Here, I'll say it. Stormy, you're a vulture (more accurate than a scab). What's worse is you KNOW the truth and you chose to come back and blow sunshine and bullshit up everyone's collective ass, not because you care, but because you
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Here, I'll say it. Stormy, you're a vulture (more accurate than a scab). What's worse is you KNOW the truth and you chose to come back and blow sunshine and bullshit up everyone's collective ass, not because you care, but because you saw an opportunity to cash in.
What if the new community director is a porn star?? If Fred can't afford to keep even one person on staff, who knows not only the community but the mechanics of the review program administration how the hell does he afford to bring on a star who would obviously only be a spokesperson?
This company might be able to scrape by with a skeleton crew and survive but what Fred always failed to realize is that the company's value was as much about the community as anything else.
Fred fired all community admins without any plan. The only reason stormy is here is because she approached Fred and offered to do damage control. This should tell everybody exactly what they need to know: Fred gave no thought to any of you when he made his decision and seeks now to try to save his reputation by taking Stormy up on her offer.
The idea that Eden has earned your loyalty is an illusion propagated by the people who ran the community - because they DID care. If you want to be loyal, be loyal to THEM and take your business elsewhere. If you're just here for the free shit - well the spend your points fast. less
What if the new community director is a porn star?? If Fred can't afford to keep even one person on staff, who knows not only the community but the mechanics of the review program administration how the hell does he afford to bring on a star who would obviously only be a spokesperson?
This company might be able to scrape by with a skeleton crew and survive but what Fred always failed to realize is that the company's value was as much about the community as anything else.
Fred fired all community admins without any plan. The only reason stormy is here is because she approached Fred and offered to do damage control. This should tell everybody exactly what they need to know: Fred gave no thought to any of you when he made his decision and seeks now to try to save his reputation by taking Stormy up on her offer.
The idea that Eden has earned your loyalty is an illusion propagated by the people who ran the community - because they DID care. If you want to be loyal, be loyal to THEM and take your business elsewhere. If you're just here for the free shit - well the spend your points fast. less
While I am extremely frustrated and angry about this whole situation, Stormy is not the person to target. She stepped in because there is no one else here to help out. What else was she supposed to do, just leave us here without our regular EF problems dealt with? Seriously, get the hell off her back.
05/16/2013
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I do agree with another poster here, not everyone was actually told. That mass message was sent to the special contributors.
Originally posted by
Ryuson
But Stormy sent out a mass PM, which I think counts as telling everyone. A lot of employers make it so that you can't even TALK about being fired, much less give public notice like JR did or even a vague post like this. I was just trying to say
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But Stormy sent out a mass PM, which I think counts as telling everyone. A lot of employers make it so that you can't even TALK about being fired, much less give public notice like JR did or even a vague post like this. I was just trying to say that, while it's a little murky, it's still more information than I've gotten from almost anywhere else when strange situations like this happen.
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05/16/2013
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I'm sorry, but I just have to LOL @ "special", because that is hardly it. That is all.
Originally posted by
ShadowedSeductress
I do agree with another poster here, not everyone was actually told. That mass message was sent to the special contributors.
05/16/2013
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I meant to put quotations around that special. I'm sure I can speak for all those who didn't receive this message, that it's very upsetting. Like you have said, we are all emotionally attached to Eden. I've learned so much here and I can't imagine continuing without all the great people who (unknowingly) helped me reach this point.
Originally posted by
Zombirella
I'm sorry, but I just have to LOL @ "special", because that is hardly it. That is all.
I am just really curious to know why the rest of us weren't told. Is it because we aren't included in those future plans? I managed to get my hands on a copy of it. It talked about what they wanted to do in the future with EF. I can only assume that since many didn't receive it, that many aren't included in the future.
05/16/2013
Without being overly conceited, I think I'm considered a pretty good member of the EF community and have contributed over the years in many, many ways, and I can tell you, I did not get any mass email and I could care less. I'm not going to comment on this whole firing issue, but as far as I'm concerned, there is no conspiracy to only include "special" members of the community. I contact Stormy outside of EF and the forums all the time, including after she left. I'm pretty sure she would include me in any such message. Please drop the conspiracy theory and the paranoia.
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05/16/2013
Wow, damn near the entire team. Ya'll were the wheels that kept Eden rolling. I'll be missing everyone that won't be here anymore, I hate tearing up. I hope all goes well with your next endevor.
05/16/2013
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I certainly didn't mean that we shouldn't have emotions, I just really believe that attacking people here (specifically calling someone a vulture and other name-calling) isn't at all helpful.
Originally posted by
Zombirella
Yep, it's totally "silly" for everyone pissed off about this because "shit happens" like this all the time. Mad at no real answers, mad for those that got let go.
So many other people saying stuff like that just makes me go ... more
So many other people saying stuff like that just makes me go ... more
Yep, it's totally "silly" for everyone pissed off about this because "shit happens" like this all the time. Mad at no real answers, mad for those that got let go.
So many other people saying stuff like that just makes me go like this:
Excuse me and everyone else for being scared that this place is ending....I just can't wrap my head around how getting rid of Gary, Carrie Ann and the others can be a good thing. Even if they stick around the forum, it just WON'T be the same. I'd hate to lose this place that I come so often to get my mind off the BS in my life.....but it's hard to not have a foreboding sense of what is to come! What are we going to do without THEM? I don't think it's being over dramatic at all to have these emotions. less
So many other people saying stuff like that just makes me go like this:
Excuse me and everyone else for being scared that this place is ending....I just can't wrap my head around how getting rid of Gary, Carrie Ann and the others can be a good thing. Even if they stick around the forum, it just WON'T be the same. I'd hate to lose this place that I come so often to get my mind off the BS in my life.....but it's hard to not have a foreboding sense of what is to come! What are we going to do without THEM? I don't think it's being over dramatic at all to have these emotions. less
I, like everyone else, would LOVE some answers, so I'm sorry that my post came across like I'm just okay with what's happening. I'm not. I just don't feel the need to lash out at people that aren't responsible for Edens choices.
05/16/2013
Truthiness
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Oh damn, everyone, Laurel is back!
Originally posted by
LicentiouslyYours
Here, I'll say it. Stormy, you're a vulture (more accurate than a scab). What's worse is you KNOW the truth and you chose to come back and blow sunshine and bullshit up everyone's collective ass, not because you care, but because you
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more
Here, I'll say it. Stormy, you're a vulture (more accurate than a scab). What's worse is you KNOW the truth and you chose to come back and blow sunshine and bullshit up everyone's collective ass, not because you care, but because you saw an opportunity to cash in.
What if the new community director is a porn star?? If Fred can't afford to keep even one person on staff, who knows not only the community but the mechanics of the review program administration how the hell does he afford to bring on a star who would obviously only be a spokesperson?
This company might be able to scrape by with a skeleton crew and survive but what Fred always failed to realize is that the company's value was as much about the community as anything else.
Fred fired all community admins without any plan. The only reason stormy is here is because she approached Fred and offered to do damage control. This should tell everybody exactly what they need to know: Fred gave no thought to any of you when he made his decision and seeks now to try to save his reputation by taking Stormy up on her offer.
The idea that Eden has earned your loyalty is an illusion propagated by the people who ran the community - because they DID care. If you want to be loyal, be loyal to THEM and take your business elsewhere. If you're just here for the free shit - well the spend your points fast. less
What if the new community director is a porn star?? If Fred can't afford to keep even one person on staff, who knows not only the community but the mechanics of the review program administration how the hell does he afford to bring on a star who would obviously only be a spokesperson?
This company might be able to scrape by with a skeleton crew and survive but what Fred always failed to realize is that the company's value was as much about the community as anything else.
Fred fired all community admins without any plan. The only reason stormy is here is because she approached Fred and offered to do damage control. This should tell everybody exactly what they need to know: Fred gave no thought to any of you when he made his decision and seeks now to try to save his reputation by taking Stormy up on her offer.
The idea that Eden has earned your loyalty is an illusion propagated by the people who ran the community - because they DID care. If you want to be loyal, be loyal to THEM and take your business elsewhere. If you're just here for the free shit - well the spend your points fast. less
05/16/2013
Did anyone think to look at the stock market? If this has been going on for such a long time it would be reflected in it's stocks. Look it up folks and see for yourselves.
Ryuson is right. This company gives so much and it effects the bottom line. Free products, product replacement, free postage for returns, give-a-ways, points, and that is just the customers benifits. What about the employee costs? The company has pay-role, insurance, office supplies, and utilities. Oh and goverment costs such as taxes. Who are we to BITCH on what we have no controle over. You want to jump ship? That's your right but remember you don't get something for nothing. There is always a cost to someone.
I am greatful for what EF has done for me and my marriage. I will be with them untill the end. I will continue to give out coupons and spread the word of how great this company treats it's coustomers. I am truely sorry if you feel wronged by EF but try looking at the bigger picture.
Ryuson is right. This company gives so much and it effects the bottom line. Free products, product replacement, free postage for returns, give-a-ways, points, and that is just the customers benifits. What about the employee costs? The company has pay-role, insurance, office supplies, and utilities. Oh and goverment costs such as taxes. Who are we to BITCH on what we have no controle over. You want to jump ship? That's your right but remember you don't get something for nothing. There is always a cost to someone.
I am greatful for what EF has done for me and my marriage. I will be with them untill the end. I will continue to give out coupons and spread the word of how great this company treats it's coustomers. I am truely sorry if you feel wronged by EF but try looking at the bigger picture.
05/16/2013
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What's so great about EF anymore? Everything that WAS good about it is now gone.
Originally posted by
HarlequinBunnie
Did anyone think to look at the stock market? If this has been going on for such a long time it would be reflected in it's stocks. Look it up folks and see for yourselves.
Ryuson is right. This company gives so much and it effects the ... more
Ryuson is right. This company gives so much and it effects the ... more
Did anyone think to look at the stock market? If this has been going on for such a long time it would be reflected in it's stocks. Look it up folks and see for yourselves.
Ryuson is right. This company gives so much and it effects the bottom line. Free products, product replacement, free postage for returns, give-a-ways, points, and that is just the customers benifits. What about the employee costs? The company has pay-role, insurance, office supplies, and utilities. Oh and goverment costs such as taxes. Who are we to BITCH on what we have no controle over. You want to jump ship? That's your right but remember you don't get something for nothing. There is always a cost to someone.
I am greatful for what EF has done for me and my marriage. I will be with them untill the end. I will continue to give out coupons and spread the word of how great this company treats it's coustomers. I am truely sorry if you feel wronged by EF but try looking at the bigger picture. less
Ryuson is right. This company gives so much and it effects the bottom line. Free products, product replacement, free postage for returns, give-a-ways, points, and that is just the customers benifits. What about the employee costs? The company has pay-role, insurance, office supplies, and utilities. Oh and goverment costs such as taxes. Who are we to BITCH on what we have no controle over. You want to jump ship? That's your right but remember you don't get something for nothing. There is always a cost to someone.
I am greatful for what EF has done for me and my marriage. I will be with them untill the end. I will continue to give out coupons and spread the word of how great this company treats it's coustomers. I am truely sorry if you feel wronged by EF but try looking at the bigger picture. less
Oh, and... link
You're welcome.
05/16/2013
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I'm fairly certain that Eden and Liberator parted ways...so that may not apply anymore.
Originally posted by
Llewey
What's so great about EF anymore? Everything that WAS good about it is now gone.
Oh, and... link
You're welcome.
Oh, and... link
You're welcome.
I know nothing about stocks or the state of Eden, I think that old thread that mentioned the stock symbol was when they were partnered.
05/16/2013
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I'm confused about the link you provided. Liberator is a separate company than EF, is it not?
Originally posted by
Llewey
What's so great about EF anymore? Everything that WAS good about it is now gone.
Oh, and... link
You're welcome.
Oh, and... link
You're welcome.
05/16/2013
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They have -- which is why that EF no longer stocks the liberator wedges, cushions, etc.
Originally posted by
charmedtomeetyou
I'm fairly certain that Eden and Liberator parted ways...so that may not apply anymore.
I know nothing about stocks or the state of Eden, I think that old thread that mentioned the stock symbol was when they were partnered.
I know nothing about stocks or the state of Eden, I think that old thread that mentioned the stock symbol was when they were partnered.
05/16/2013
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Ok, I was pretty sure that was the case. I think that thread was when they joined, and therefore shared the same stock symbol.
Originally posted by
SMichelle
They have -- which is why that EF no longer stocks the liberator wedges, cushions, etc.
and let's not poke fun at Liberator's current stock status....that seems neither here nor there.
05/16/2013
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My mistake, then. In that case, the person who originally brought it up was suggesting looking for something that does not exist, and to not complain or speak out when we see systematic abuse of employees and customers alike? K.
Originally posted by
SMichelle
They have -- which is why that EF no longer stocks the liberator wedges, cushions, etc.
05/16/2013
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Yeah, they had joined for awhile, but I remember awhile back it was posted somewhere that they had parted ways.
Originally posted by
charmedtomeetyou
Ok, I was pretty sure that was the case. I think that thread was when they joined, and therefore shared the same stock symbol.
and let's not poke fun at Liberator's current stock status....that seems neither here nor there.
and let's not poke fun at Liberator's current stock status....that seems neither here nor there.
05/16/2013
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You are indeed, a good member of the community. This isn't about conspiracy theories, it's the plain truth. Obviously not everyone was sent the message, and there is obviously a reason. Plain and simple.
Originally posted by
Kindred
Without being overly conceited, I think I'm considered a pretty good member of the EF community and have contributed over the years in many, many ways, and I can tell you, I did not get any mass email and I could care less. I'm not going to
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Without being overly conceited, I think I'm considered a pretty good member of the EF community and have contributed over the years in many, many ways, and I can tell you, I did not get any mass email and I could care less. I'm not going to comment on this whole firing issue, but as far as I'm concerned, there is no conspiracy to only include "special" members of the community. I contact Stormy outside of EF and the forums all the time, including after she left. I'm pretty sure she would include me in any such message. Please drop the conspiracy theory and the paranoia.
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not paranoid. I'm simply annoyed. If they had wanted everyone to see that message, then they would have just posted that in the forum for easy access!
I want to note that while special wasn't the correct word for me to use, the message did state exactly "This is a letter to a small number of the most valued contributors from Eden Community."
Your said "I'm pretty sure she would include me in any such message. Please drop the conspiracy theory and the paranoia." This leads me to believe you don't think it was actually sent? It was indeed sent and I have had a couple contributors who received it confirm this to me. I'm sure Stormy was told who to message. I doubt she made the list herself. If she had then you probably would have gotten it as well.
I have enjoyed you immensely as a contributor. I just wanted to clear up that I didn't spit out some crazy crap that I pulled out of my ass. I'm just going off of what EF sent to some contributors. 3 different contributors have e-mailed me the exact same message. I just simply quoted what I saw.
05/16/2013
That shows 3 or 4 days, not years and yes thank you however EF still has great coustomer benifits. Just because you don't get points everytime you click something or follow something doesn't make it unworthy. Have mercy for goodness sake. It costs the company large amounts of cash to give free or reduced products out for us to review. You get points for trolling the site which when cashed in cost money to get product. Who do you think pays the cost? So what it's not as easy to get points. Why don't you go to those individuals who cheated on there reviews by stealing from others. Or how about those who followed people they really didn't care about what they had to say or what the thoughts were on products? Better yet those who gave bad votes on reviews just so they could be nasty to others. We are just as much to blame. We want so much and yet all we can do is complain when something changes in a way we don't like. If the company started giving out more points and even better products at no cost, would you still be bitching? If it hired more people then it fired would you be happy then?
05/16/2013
The message was sent manually, one-by-one to a specific and small group of users on EF. It was indeed a "VIP list" of sorts, and pretty obviously telling of an attitude of favoritism and secrecy. This has been verified by several people who would know, although I will not name names. Search for the answers yourself, and you will find them.
The simple truth is that Stormy has lied to us. There was not a "glitch in the Matrix"; she just wanted to cover for the fact that only a few dozen contributors were made privy to the changes. The issue of this deceit goes beyond just what the letter contained. It means all of the admins we loved are gone, and we're left with a liar in charge.
The simple truth is that Stormy has lied to us. There was not a "glitch in the Matrix"; she just wanted to cover for the fact that only a few dozen contributors were made privy to the changes. The issue of this deceit goes beyond just what the letter contained. It means all of the admins we loved are gone, and we're left with a liar in charge.
05/16/2013
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Okay, now you have me curious. How is the stock doing? Now that EF is no longer with Liberator, what's their ticker symbol? I've been searching the internet looking for it, but haven't found it.
Originally posted by
HarlequinBunnie
Did anyone think to look at the stock market? If this has been going on for such a long time it would be reflected in it's stocks. Look it up folks and see for yourselves.
Ryuson is right. This company gives so much and it effects the ... more
Ryuson is right. This company gives so much and it effects the ... more
Did anyone think to look at the stock market? If this has been going on for such a long time it would be reflected in it's stocks. Look it up folks and see for yourselves.
Ryuson is right. This company gives so much and it effects the bottom line. Free products, product replacement, free postage for returns, give-a-ways, points, and that is just the customers benifits. What about the employee costs? The company has pay-role, insurance, office supplies, and utilities. Oh and goverment costs such as taxes. Who are we to BITCH on what we have no controle over. You want to jump ship? That's your right but remember you don't get something for nothing. There is always a cost to someone.
I am greatful for what EF has done for me and my marriage. I will be with them untill the end. I will continue to give out coupons and spread the word of how great this company treats it's coustomers. I am truely sorry if you feel wronged by EF but try looking at the bigger picture. less
Ryuson is right. This company gives so much and it effects the bottom line. Free products, product replacement, free postage for returns, give-a-ways, points, and that is just the customers benifits. What about the employee costs? The company has pay-role, insurance, office supplies, and utilities. Oh and goverment costs such as taxes. Who are we to BITCH on what we have no controle over. You want to jump ship? That's your right but remember you don't get something for nothing. There is always a cost to someone.
I am greatful for what EF has done for me and my marriage. I will be with them untill the end. I will continue to give out coupons and spread the word of how great this company treats it's coustomers. I am truely sorry if you feel wronged by EF but try looking at the bigger picture. less
05/16/2013
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Oh geez.....
Originally posted by
HarlequinBunnie
Did anyone think to look at the stock market? If this has been going on for such a long time it would be reflected in it's stocks. Look it up folks and see for yourselves.
Ryuson is right. This company gives so much and it effects the ... more
Ryuson is right. This company gives so much and it effects the ... more
Did anyone think to look at the stock market? If this has been going on for such a long time it would be reflected in it's stocks. Look it up folks and see for yourselves.
Ryuson is right. This company gives so much and it effects the bottom line. Free products, product replacement, free postage for returns, give-a-ways, points, and that is just the customers benifits. What about the employee costs? The company has pay-role, insurance, office supplies, and utilities. Oh and goverment costs such as taxes. Who are we to BITCH on what we have no controle over. You want to jump ship? That's your right but remember you don't get something for nothing. There is always a cost to someone.
I am greatful for what EF has done for me and my marriage. I will be with them untill the end. I will continue to give out coupons and spread the word of how great this company treats it's coustomers. I am truely sorry if you feel wronged by EF but try looking at the bigger picture. less
Ryuson is right. This company gives so much and it effects the bottom line. Free products, product replacement, free postage for returns, give-a-ways, points, and that is just the customers benifits. What about the employee costs? The company has pay-role, insurance, office supplies, and utilities. Oh and goverment costs such as taxes. Who are we to BITCH on what we have no controle over. You want to jump ship? That's your right but remember you don't get something for nothing. There is always a cost to someone.
I am greatful for what EF has done for me and my marriage. I will be with them untill the end. I will continue to give out coupons and spread the word of how great this company treats it's coustomers. I am truely sorry if you feel wronged by EF but try looking at the bigger picture. less
05/16/2013