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Contributor: Midway through Midway through
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I got downvoted for only Useful after a lot of extremely useful reviews, but can't get anyone to tell me how to improve the review. I'm kind of annoyed that the girl won't respond to it. Does anyone else feel like pointing out why this wasn't a good review?
09/27/2010
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Contributor: TitsMcScandal TitsMcScandal
This is all a matter of personal opinion.
09/27/2010
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
Each person has their own opinion. This isn't really a case of down-voting really. Down voting would've been "Somewhat Useful" or less.

"Useful" is still a positive vote, though.
09/27/2010
Contributor: Envy Envy
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
Each person has their own opinion. This isn't really a case of down-voting really. Down voting would've been "Somewhat Useful" or less.

"Useful" is still a positive vote, though.
^ This. It's all based upon opinion. Some find things extremely useful, some only useful, and others nothing useful.
09/27/2010
Contributor: DeliciousSurprise DeliciousSurprise
It is entirely possible that they did not see your question; have you tried sending her a private message to inquire? There is no reason to be annoyed unless she's ignoring your messages-why would she go back to check on your review unless she had a specific reason to?
09/27/2010
Contributor: Heartthrob Heartthrob
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Originally posted by Midway through
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I got downvoted for only Useful after a lot of extremely useful reviews, but can't get anyone to tell me how to improve the review. I'm kind of annoyed that the girl won't respond to it. Does anyone else feel like pointing out ... more
Be assured that useful is still a very good review. Everyone has their own standards regarding what is extremely useful. Some people may never vote extremely useful. Useful is always a really good vote.
09/27/2010
Contributor: PassionQT PassionQT
I have seen some downvote simply because the product didn't apply or wouldn't be useful to them, although the review itself was very good. Don't worry too much about it. Useful is still very good. I'd only be worried about downvoting when someone selects "worth reading but not useful" when all your other votes are useful or better.
09/27/2010
Contributor: gone77 gone77
I'm just popping in to echo everyone else in this case. Also, if you've got a lot of extremely useful votes for it, I wouldn't say it's not a good review. Obviously, some people thought it was.
09/27/2010
Contributor: Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
Review voting is personal. No explanations are needed, particularly in the case of a Useful vote.

Useful is good, not bad. We should not make people feel put on the spot or unable to vote the way they feel.

I get Useful votes quite often even after 2 + years of reviewing and damned near 300 reviews on EF alone. I also vote Useful quite often and am insulted when people ask me to explain myself.

We're all grown folks and all of us know we're not going to appear perfect (Extremely Useful) to every person, every time we write a review.
09/27/2010
Contributor: Sammi Sammi
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Review voting is personal. No explanations are needed, particularly in the case of a Useful vote.

Useful is good, not bad. We should not make people feel put on the spot or unable to vote the way they feel.

I get Useful votes quite ... more
Well said.
09/27/2010
Contributor: LikeSunshineDust LikeSunshineDust
Wow. This comes up way too often. "Extremely useful" gets overused, so people's feelings get hurt when they only get "useful". It's not a downvote.
09/27/2010
Contributor: Darling Jen Darling Jen
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Originally posted by Midway through
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I got downvoted for only Useful after a lot of extremely useful reviews, but can't get anyone to tell me how to improve the review. I'm kind of annoyed that the girl won't respond to it. Does anyone else feel like pointing out ... more
No worries, Middy. Your review is great and obviously everyone thought so. And "useful" is by no means a bad vote.

But I know how a single vote lower than the rest can leave you feeling confused or hurt (even if you shouldn't feel that way). I'm definitely guilty of that and I confess this honestly and openly. But it's hard to wow and astonish everyone all the time so getting a majority vote is definitely the most important thing.

And at the end of the day, the best part is playing with toys and getting to come here to tell everyone who great/horrible/mediocr e your playtime was.
09/27/2010
Contributor: sexysweetieshan sexysweetieshan
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Review voting is personal. No explanations are needed, particularly in the case of a Useful vote.

Useful is good, not bad. We should not make people feel put on the spot or unable to vote the way they feel.

I get Useful votes quite ... more
I understand that useful is a good review. I am happy to get useful or above. But I have a question. I have gotten mostly "extremely useful" votes on my reviews. My last review I completed has more "useful" votes than "extremely useful", and that brought my rank down a 0.1. I know that's not much, but I guess I'm confused, if useful is a good vote (as I agree), then why did it bring my rank down to complete a "useful" review rather than an "extremely useful" review??

Could you Carrie Ann or Kristi or JR or someone explain? I'm just a little confused.
09/27/2010
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
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Originally posted by sexysweetieshan
I understand that useful is a good review. I am happy to get useful or above. But I have a question. I have gotten mostly "extremely useful" votes on my reviews. My last review I completed has more "useful" votes than ... more
Actually, Useful votes don't reduce your rank. Activity is also big influence on rank as well.
09/27/2010
Contributor: ScottA ScottA
In general I go for "useful" for a good review. Extremely useful means that the reviewer goes beyond expectations somehow.
09/27/2010
Contributor: B8trDude B8trDude
I think that it's just a matter of opinion. I wouldn't worry about it.
09/27/2010
Contributor: Selective Sensualist Selective Sensualist
I've gotten some Useful votes on my reviews that received an overwhelming majority of Extremely Useful votes. I've even received a Useful vote from people who effusively praised the review.

After receiving a Useful vote, I always go over my review AGAIN with a fine-tooth comb, wracking my brain for information that I could have possibly left out or for information that I could add that would make it more useful. I am very, very meticulous and, before I submit my reviews, I try to include any bit of information I can think of to help the customer make an informed decision on a product. I take photos and I thoroughly measure the product to give additional measurements that were not provided on the product information page (for example, the height of the raised texture and the diameter/circumference of both the head AND the shaft, which is not provided on the product information page).

I give it my very, very best to go above and beyond when I write each review by spending a minimum of three days on each one -- just so I can make sure that every single thing I can think of is included, that there are no grammar errors, and that the sentence structure is easy to follow.

Yet I still get a handful of Useful votes (I think I've gotten four Useful votes between all of my reviews so far). I honestly do not think there is anything you CAN do to ensure an Extremely Useful vote every time. I just keep in mind that I write my reviews for the benefit of the customer and do the very, very best job that I can do for each review. The fact that I KNOW I did a bang-up job on my reviews is the best reward in itself. Praise is always nice, but, in the end, it really does not matter what others think as long as you know you've gone above and beyond and given it your best.
09/28/2010
Contributor: Viktor Vysheslav Malkin Viktor Vysheslav Malkin
Do not feel bad though, I remember getting a little upset at useful votes too when I first started. Good people explained to me what Carrie did and I learned. Now I am happy with Useful, I'd prefer to always be extremely useful (who wouldn't want to write the best review possible?) but if I am not then oh well.

Carrie Ann had great advice on this one.
09/28/2010
Contributor: sexysweetieshan sexysweetieshan
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
Actually, Useful votes don't reduce your rank. Activity is also big influence on rank as well.
Well I guess it must just have been a coincidence then that it went down within a few hours of my review being published and getting more useful votes than extremely useful. It just seemed very likely that, that was the reason why. Guess not. Just a weird coicidence I guess.

But it's not just useful votes, the review overall has more useful votes than extremely useful, meaning at the top it's titled a useful review. That does not make a difference in rank?
09/28/2010
Contributor: Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by sexysweetieshan
Well I guess it must just have been a coincidence then that it went down within a few hours of my review being published and getting more useful votes than extremely useful. It just seemed very likely that, that was the reason why. Guess not. Just a ... more
I would echo that I had a similar experience. I published a review that received half useful, half extremely useful votes and my rank went down 0.1 that day. Do I care? Not really, but my experience seems similar. I also don't think my activity has changed at all.
09/28/2010
Contributor: Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by sexysweetieshan
Well I guess it must just have been a coincidence then that it went down within a few hours of my review being published and getting more useful votes than extremely useful. It just seemed very likely that, that was the reason why. Guess not. Just a ... more
Rank is based on a combination of things; the amount of reviews you publish, everyone else publishes, your activity, the votes and comments you get, the votes and comments you leave, your editorial vote...

I would guess that the day your rank dropped a lot of things were going on, not just the votes. Perhaps you were less active but six or seven reviewers above you in rank were super active and a lot of reviews were turned in. It's rarely one thing, even if it often seems like it is.

Your rank isn't based on just what you do but on what is going on site wide, it fluctuates based upon everyone else's activity, too.
09/28/2010
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Review voting is personal. No explanations are needed, particularly in the case of a Useful vote.

Useful is good, not bad. We should not make people feel put on the spot or unable to vote the way they feel.

I get Useful votes quite ... more
Although I have been reviewing for Eden for a much shorter time than Carrie Ann, I was just about to echo what she said.

Useful is still a very good rating. I don't think people need to explain themselves. This could lead to people censoring their votes or not voting on certain people's reviews at all.
09/28/2010
Contributor: sexysweetieshan sexysweetieshan
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Originally posted by Kindred
I would echo that I had a similar experience. I published a review that received half useful, half extremely useful votes and my rank went down 0.1 that day. Do I care? Not really, but my experience seems similar. I also don't think my ... more
No, it's only 0.1 so I don't care much either. I just had assumed at first it was because I had a useful review instead of extremely useful. This thread seemed like a good place to ask since Middy was talking about useful votes. I don't care, because it wasn't a drastic change in rank, but I just had the opportunity to ask about it, so I was curious.

Read Carrie Ann's reply below. It helps explain more!
09/29/2010
Contributor: sexysweetieshan sexysweetieshan
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Rank is based on a combination of things; the amount of reviews you publish, everyone else publishes, your activity, the votes and comments you get, the votes and comments you leave, your editorial vote...

I would guess that the day your rank ... more
I knew our rank was based on our activity and all kinds of different things, but I did not realize it was also based on everyone one else's activity also. I didn't think my own personal activity had slowed down or anything, so now I understand a little better. Maybe other people were just busier than me that day. Thanks for explaining a little better!
09/29/2010
Contributor: Midway through Midway through
It's not that I want people to censor votes. I guess I just don't understand why you wouldn't leave a comment about what could be improved.
09/30/2010
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
Quote:
Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Review voting is personal. No explanations are needed, particularly in the case of a Useful vote.

Useful is good, not bad. We should not make people feel put on the spot or unable to vote the way they feel.

I get Useful votes quite ... more
Exactly! The person you are questioning might not answer you because they don't feel they should HAVE to explain why they found your review useful. Useful and extremely useful are subjective votes...your review may be superbly written and still be useful to me but not extremely useful. I receive useful votes on my reviews as well, it just means I've done my job and been useful. Everyone has some room for improvement and like Carrie Ann I've had reviews receive far more favorable reviews than I, personally, thought they deserved and some that left me scratching my head as to what I could have improved. What I'm trying to say is it all balances out in the end, and it's never a cause for concern unless you start slipping onto the not useful catagories.
09/30/2010
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by Selective Sensualist
I've gotten some Useful votes on my reviews that received an overwhelming majority of Extremely Useful votes. I've even received a Useful vote from people who effusively praised the review.

After receiving a Useful vote, I always go ... more
Sometimes a wealth of information can put off some readers and rather than seeing it as extremely useful it becomes tiresome to read. Not for me actually because I actually like more information and pictures especially on expensive products but I know that some people want it short concise and to the point and that's fine! Like JR said useful votes do not drop your rank...but if it's been a very busy day and others have done more on the site then your rank could fall a few partial percents. Rank is based on a number of factors and useful votes are GOOD votes you aren't penalyzed for them!
09/30/2010
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by Midway through
It's not that I want people to censor votes. I guess I just don't understand why you wouldn't leave a comment about what could be improved.
A useful review doesn't NEED improvement! It's useful, it's done it's job and you have written a great review. I mean seriously what if the only thing that would make your review extremely useful to me is if you included a male perspective? Or a monogamous/polyamorous viewpoint? Or if you had included some words in swahili? It's too subjective and you shouldn't beat yourself up about it. Middy, it's a great review. Go get another product and review it.
09/30/2010
Contributor: Selective Sensualist Selective Sensualist
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
A useful review doesn't NEED improvement! It's useful, it's done it's job and you have written a great review. I mean seriously what if the only thing that would make your review extremely useful to me is if you included a male ... more
Good advice in the above three posts. Thanks!
09/30/2010
Contributor: ~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Midway through
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I got downvoted for only Useful after a lot of extremely useful reviews, but can't get anyone to tell me how to improve the review. I'm kind of annoyed that the girl won't respond to it. Does anyone else feel like pointing out ... more
Look at my cone review for example on the main page. I spent HOURS on that review and it still got a few useful ones despite getting dozens of ext. useful. I didn't take it personally. I can't possibly always think of EVERYTHING. Maybe the person was looking for something specific. You can't please everyone. If you didn, there would be no where for you to improve.

It can be frustrating if someone doesn't respond to you, but they don't have to. Don't expect a response in return. Also...useful votes are good! Just like Carrie Ann said.
09/30/2010