EF State of the Community Address - 2014

Contributor: Mx.Nekora Mx.Nekora
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Originally posted by conserend
just to start off, points covering only 15% of your order is an insult to all the users who have put time into this website. This is the cruelest thing that you could have done to your customers. I say cruel because those people, your lost community, ... more
agreed! Bring back the old system, and let Eden return to the way it once was! Doing this will bring more people back to the site and more money back to the company! Return Eden back to it's former glory by going back to the old point system, and drop the 15% for gift cards! Let them pay for toys with Gift card points and by credit cards like when I first signed up! Let us work for the points like before! You'll see a HUGE difference in community morale and in Visits to the site!
01/28/2014
Contributor: Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by Mx.Nekora
agreed! Bring back the old system, and let Eden return to the way it once was! Doing this will bring more people back to the site and more money back to the company! Return Eden back to it's former glory by going back to the old point system, ... more
It's just not possible at this time.
01/29/2014
Contributor: dylanlover dylanlover
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Originally posted by Mx.Nekora
agreed! Bring back the old system, and let Eden return to the way it once was! Doing this will bring more people back to the site and more money back to the company! Return Eden back to it's former glory by going back to the old point system, ... more
I'm with both of these guys. I think there would be more people that agree with the above two people and myself but I think most of the people that passionately care about the above subject have long left. I think judging buy how many items are in stock and available and the lack of reviews on new products. Eden is hurting pretty bad. I think financially eden cant afford to bring the cheap advertisement and labor with the point system. witch is sad because its probably what they need the most. I also agree that eden got a lot of work done on there website for cheap via the point system and should have paid it in full.
01/29/2014
Contributor: edeneve edeneve
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Originally posted by wrecklesswords
As an avid amazon.com user, I would like to point out that comparing the prices of Eden's products to the prices of amazon products is unequal.

Amazon.com warehouse and individual sellers are KNOWN for having rock bottom prices on a myriad ... more
how is comparing EF prices w/ Amazon prices unequal? they are both online retailers for much of the same sex toy products. a retailer of these products is a retailer for those products. doesn't make them unequal cuz there's a drastic difference in price. it's not necessary to compare to only other adult websites based on purchase price. now if you're just looking for an overall online adult products price comparison, other sites would be appropriate, but so would Amazon. being an adult store online discount retailer doesn't make them less of a viable option or unequal to making comparisons to EF's retail prices.

something important that keeps being over looked is that pre 6/13, the reviews were a huge marketing tool for EF so that employees weren't needed to write the reviews - equals budget cuts for EF. and those reviewers did an outstanding job for the most part with the reviews they published. the incentive to get others to participate in reviewing was earning points to use for purchases. plus, many of these products were provided free by manufacturers.

as you already said, we aren't EF employees. so comparing what's offered to a reviewer, a non-employee, doesn't have anything to do w/ work employees getting discounts. again, the point system encouraged the flourishing of reviews. also to keep in mind, these toys weren't 'free' when you take into consideration how much time so many of us put into writing those reviews. think about an hourly wage to do all that writing.

I'm not sure fake profiles were created every day. however, those were one of the actions against the EOC. there were other things as well that played a part in all the changes, though.

I never saw any bullying prior to 6/13 in the forum. and I always visited the forum daily. none of my many friends saw that either. what I remember was a lot of was meaningless discussion posts.
01/30/2014
Contributor: Tim Smith Tim Smith
Surprise, yes it's me your old buddy ToyTime Tim. Same guy just a different avatar and name, seems my old password does not work or something. Working on that.

Gonna toss this in here just because I can.

A little background first. I joined EF back in '10 and left before the big shindig went down and came back right as the last change was taking place, not really for what was happening but rather for personal reasons. That's another story.

For those that have been here a long time, we all remember when there was no points and we paid for non-sponsored reviewed items with the all mighty dollar (That is what makes a company money after all). Back then we wrote reviews to help people make an informed decision on their purchase and because we like toys, getting a free toy as an assignment was just a perk. We certainly did not do it for money or points.

I'll go out on a limb and say that most of the drop in the community was simply because folks were not getting points and thus not getting free items. I'll admit I got more than my share of free items ( I bought the Eleven with points and GC's) but most of the old timers, and hopefully the new folks that have read some of my reviews, know that I was no slouch when it came to my reviews and my participation in the community. Not saying that justifies it but I did work hard on my reviews and was no point farmer. I am rather proud of the fact that I did the first ever workshop and at one time I was the top male reviewer. You don't get to where I was very easy.

Anyway, I have been a part of a businesses and worked for numerous small family owned businesses. One thing that is always hard is change and there is always the possibility that folks just won't like it. Guess what, if Fred decides he wants a change then so be it, everyone can accept it or go to...well you know.

So in the end I think folks just need to take a look at what is offered and decide if they like it or not. You know what brought me here? Toys. Y'all know what brings me back? Toys and the community. Works for me, eh? Ya, I will miss the points for sure but I miss the community even more.
02/02/2014
Contributor: Rossie Rossie
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Originally posted by Tim Smith
Surprise, yes it's me your old buddy ToyTime Tim. Same guy just a different avatar and name, seems my old password does not work or something. Working on that.

Gonna toss this in here just because I can.

A little background first. ... more
Hey Tim, so glad to see you -- will you be back more often?

And same here, I 'd rather have the community than the extra points.

...are those your pet roosters on the hood -- can't see very clearly!
02/02/2014
Contributor: Tim Smith Tim Smith
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Originally posted by Rossie
Hey Tim, so glad to see you -- will you be back more often?

And same here, I 'd rather have the community than the extra points.

...are those your pet roosters on the hood -- can't see very clearly!
Should be, heading to CO tomorrow but I'll be around after that.
02/02/2014
Contributor: Rossie Rossie
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Originally posted by Tim Smith
Should be, heading to CO tomorrow but I'll be around after that.
That's great! Have a safe trip!
02/02/2014
Contributor: wrecklesswords wrecklesswords
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Originally posted by Tim Smith
Surprise, yes it's me your old buddy ToyTime Tim. Same guy just a different avatar and name, seems my old password does not work or something. Working on that.

Gonna toss this in here just because I can.

A little background first. ... more
Very glad to see you back!

I remember when I first started EF, it was maybe RIGHT when the points program came out and things were all kinds of crazy.
02/02/2014
Contributor: OH&W, Lovebears OH&W, Lovebears
It will be very nice to have your back ! Maybe others will follow.

I will also say great reviews like yours and others is what drew us to EF.
02/02/2014
Contributor: Tim Smith Tim Smith
Awe shucks, y'all are to kind! I'll say that I will not be around as much but I will have loads of time after work on my hands so I'll try and make the best of it. I do have another commitment as a Mod on a online forum and I caught the "Jeep Thing" as well...now it burns when I pee.
02/03/2014
Contributor: November November
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Originally posted by Tim Smith
Awe shucks, y'all are to kind! I'll say that I will not be around as much but I will have loads of time after work on my hands so I'll try and make the best of it. I do have another commitment as a Mod on a online forum and I caught the ... more
What? "It's a Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand", isn't that the motto for Jeeps?

Is there some other "Jeep Thing" reference?
02/03/2014
Contributor: Rossie Rossie
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Originally posted by November
What? "It's a Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand", isn't that the motto for Jeeps?

Is there some other "Jeep Thing" reference?
Tim's hobby is "Doin' it on all Fours"!
02/04/2014
Contributor: SailorMoonxRRx SailorMoonxRRx
I honestly had no idea anything had happened! I had to take a hiatus because of issues with my ex (he got mad about the toys I was getting, he'd enjoyed it at first, but he ended up being very jealous and controlling,... had been abusive...)

Anyway, enough about that, I just really want to get back into reviewing, So I put some items in my assignment cart, and requested one... That was like a month ago. I submitted a help ticket, and no one has responded, it's been 2 weeks since then.

I don't recall getting any emails about anything going on here, so I feel really lost. I really liked testing out and writing reviews, it's great practice for my book! Am I the only one still in the dark here?
02/04/2014
Contributor: November November
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Originally posted by Rossie
Tim's hobby is "Doin' it on all Fours"!
Thanks Rossie!
02/04/2014
Contributor: wrecklesswords wrecklesswords
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Originally posted by SailorMoonxRRx
I honestly had no idea anything had happened! I had to take a hiatus because of issues with my ex (he got mad about the toys I was getting, he'd enjoyed it at first, but he ended up being very jealous and controlling,... had been abusive...) ... more
You definitely aren't! People are coming back every day from before anything happened and are lost an confused. It took me maybe a month and a half to get used to it all. At least used to it being so much deader, but we've had a rise in activity lately!
02/04/2014
Contributor: Tim Smith Tim Smith
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Originally posted by November
What? "It's a Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand", isn't that the motto for Jeeps?

Is there some other "Jeep Thing" reference?
Pretty much what most folks say but it is so much more. It's very much like the addiction to toys, once you start it's hard to stop.
02/05/2014
Contributor: Tim Smith Tim Smith
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Originally posted by Rossie
Tim's hobby is "Doin' it on all Fours"!
There's more meaning to that than most will ever know...

02/05/2014
Contributor: SweetSaffron SweetSaffron
I joined either late '11 or early '12, back when the points were super crazy. I was a bit disappointed with the changes, yes, but I understand the reasoning behind it all. I wasn't here through most of last year, due to a lot of personal stuff, but now I'm back and ready to review and participate in the community again. I'm patiently waiting on a review item, and also ordered myself a treat that I'll review when it arrives.

I rather like Oriental husband and wife's idea of a tiered benefit, where greater participation equals greater rewards. It would certainly inspire folks to participate more.

Also, I've noticed a lot of "reviews" being left as product comments, rather than actual reviews. Does anyone know a reason for this? Is no longer possible for members to write basic reviews, or do they maybe just not know that they can do so? I remember having to start by writing a couple reviews to become an advanced reviewer, so I know it used to be possible for any member to write a review.
02/07/2014
Contributor: js250 js250
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Originally posted by Tim Smith
Should be, heading to CO tomorrow but I'll be around after that.
Going to be a cold trip....lots of snow and low temps from here--MT to CO. But, wait, you are from Canada? If I remember-you can take it!! LOL!! I am so glad to see you on here again! I had to take a hiatus after my father passed and then a health issue but just came back a few days ago.

I spent many points on my items as well--and a few thousand in cold hard cash, but I still appreciate the reviews, community and experience gained from EF!! I look forward to seeing you back on here--and PLEASE some reviews or your famous videos!!! Hugs!
02/20/2014
Contributor: js250 js250
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Originally posted by Tim Smith
Pretty much what most folks say but it is so much more. It's very much like the addiction to toys, once you start it's hard to stop.
Same with motocross/enduro riding! Totally addicted here for the last 10 years. I also ride a 2-stroke...he,he,he. Get a LOT of mileage out of that one!!
02/20/2014
Contributor: Elaira Elaira
Hi, my name is Dawn and I used to be an EF addict.

I first joined back in 2011 and I'd written over 200 reviews in almost a year's time. I was ranked in the top 5 reviewer spot for a while. I used to be quite the regular here and even hosted a club. I was a loyal EF devotee. I had taken a bit of a hiatus for a couple of months and was saddened to come back to a place that was like an internet home to me torn to shreds over the points controversy. The community was suffering and I saw that most of the people who were guaranteed to be there had stopped reviewing and vanished without a trace.

It actually hurt to see that and I miss it still. Sure, there were free toys for the loyal contributors and if you were really in it to win it it felt like EF showered you with appreciation. There was solidarity and knowing you had a place where you could talk about anything and have people support you. There was a real 'community' that would stand up and weather the storm no matter what was thrown at us.

I wish with all my heart that it could be like it was and I keep coming back and checking and hoping that I end up finding a thriving community. I think that's what a lot of the old members do from time to time. Like, what ever happened to Lauren?

I don't want to say that I've given up hope, and I hope that my opinion is welcome here, as it always used to be, but I don't know if the community can recover and become the thriving place it was because there's only little interactivity with the site now. I've come back to see that the layout has changed and the community is only a tiny little link on the top bar. Reviews aren't what they used to be. EF used to be dedicated to the community and that dedication was returned, but now it's like there's not much in it except for a meager 15% off for all the work we've done.

Bring back a revised review system where you have to really earn the credit. Like someone else said, have 'elite' reviewers so that everyone has something to work towards. Maybe restore some of the point system to reviewers who prove their dedication.

I'm sad when I'm writing this and feel like I've lost a second family that I'm desperate to get back.
03/02/2014
Contributor: OH&W, Lovebears OH&W, Lovebears
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Originally posted by Elaira
Hi, my name is Dawn and I used to be an EF addict.

I first joined back in 2011 and I'd written over 200 reviews in almost a year's time. I was ranked in the top 5 reviewer spot for a while. I used to be quite the regular here and even ... more
I did make that suggestion hoping someone at Eden would read it and get ideas. My hopes were that they would start drawing up a plan. A plan that was equitable to both EF and the members. Every company should have a nucleolus.

I glad to see former members still frequent the forum. Perhaps we should brainstorm among ourselves and write up a few proposals. Then post it for all to vote on it and submit the results to EF. Or just send them to EF.

Maybe EF should offer a free high end toy to members that make a certain amount of purchases(dollar amount) with combination of highly voted on reviews and good threads. Judge thread by how many replies or something. Certain something also in the lines to promote sales. EF does need to make profits after all.

Maybe the great former reviewers will try to get that "Elite" status.
I've not the answers, just trying to start the thoughts.
03/02/2014
Contributor: Wicked Wahine Wicked Wahine
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Originally posted by Elaira
Hi, my name is Dawn and I used to be an EF addict.

I first joined back in 2011 and I'd written over 200 reviews in almost a year's time. I was ranked in the top 5 reviewer spot for a while. I used to be quite the regular here and even ... more
This just summed up many a member's experience and now for some news. I don't know if you have heard yet, but Stormy is gone now, too and we have no admin to turn to. However, it looks like people are ready to try and get the forum, which is missing a moderator, going again. I certainly welcome every former, or new member to come on in! Dawn, I don't know the kind of grief you might have gotten in the past, but be assured at least among the people on here now, that we not only welcome your voice, we are desperate for more of it! We want to have that camaraderie back and not just for those who remember it, but for the new people, too. I can't claim we have any control over the review and site situation, but at least on the forum we can connect and re-connect without any drama! There is no one lambasting people or bullying and we intend to keep it that way. I don't think we have been having any problem "policing" it ourselves, but if there is a problem, say like the spammer who appeared, we reported it to Fred and it was eventually taken care of. While we are somewhat adrift, we are also given an opportunity to, as js250 says, make this into the type of community we want. PLEASE, consider posting and answering threads, we would LOVE you to participate!

OK, I say "we" a lot and I realize I may be overstepping my bounds doing that! I am not the representative of everyone, but I have read enough about many people's opinions that I felt confident to say "we". I know I am trying my best to edit and so is Rossie, and the other editors and mentors such as Pete's Princess and charmedtometyou to name just a few. Currently, we only have 6 mentors and I would suggest with all your experience, that you would likely be approved to be one, if your like, by emailing Fred at edenfantasys dot com. People really do want to be mentored and improve and we get lots of new review submissions a day to the task market where they would definitely benefit from mentoring. I mention it to many of them and then we find there are not enough mentors, so please consider it. They now pay the mentors with a $25 gift card that can be used 100%, (for non-advanced students, not advanced reviewer students). That is the best deal on the site as editors only get the same "15%-limited" ; points.

Anyway, I am glad to have heard from you and hope we can all benefit from your experience because you wrote fabulous reviews and did terrific video reviews, too (I still remember the sex swing video review you did)!
03/02/2014
Contributor: ScorpioCurves ScorpioCurves
I joined EF sometime in 2011 (I think) and was mostly drawn in by the reliable reviews & the point system. What made me gradually stop participating & shopping at EF was because items in my wishlists were always discontinued or out of stock when I'd return from a slight financial hiatus to purchase them. Reviews also began to dwindle & the community seemed to turn more clique-ish than when I had first joined. Newly stocked toys were less of a variety. EF products started to resemble those of an average sex-shop. I also noticed more bullying & passive aggression taking place on forums. I decided that I had enough and left EF for half-a-year hoping that EF would "fix itself" and be just as fun and enjoyable as it was when I first joined. Unfortunately, after returning & reading current forum posts, it's gotten much worse and doesn't look like it's about to get better anytime soon. A real shame since I had come to depend on EF's reviews & community when buying sex toys.
03/02/2014
Contributor: OH&W, Lovebears OH&W, Lovebears
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Originally posted by ScorpioCurves
I joined EF sometime in 2011 (I think) and was mostly drawn in by the reliable reviews & the point system. What made me gradually stop participating & shopping at EF was because items in my wishlists were always discontinued or out of stock ... more
ScorpioCurves,

When you say current, what are the dates of those posts ? Since that 2 day blow up I don't think it has happened again. For it to be "Fixed" it would require friendly constructive posts. When you say EF are you thinking management or the community. Yourself being part of the community, can be part of the fix. We can't stock the toys, but we can try to befriend one another.
03/03/2014
Contributor: ScorpioCurves ScorpioCurves
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Originally posted by OH&W, Lovebears
ScorpioCurves,

When you say current, what are the dates of those posts ? Since that 2 day blow up I don't think it has happened again. For it to be "Fixed" it would require friendly constructive posts. When you say EF are you ... more
I'm not sure of the dates of the posts but I noticed the community going downhill sometime around the end 2012. I can't remember the forum topics but I do remember someone getting suspended for saying/doing something racist or offensive. Also when I say EF, I'm mostly meaning the community. Not quite sure how it happened, I think just a few bad apples trying to get attention, because when I first created my account everyone was friendly and sociable. Also, I'm in the dark about that "2 day blow up" (should I even bother asking what happened?) I've just returned here from a 5 month hiatus and I haven't really been active in the forums since 2012. I do want to be more active (I even started the review program), but since I'm planning on doing continuing-ed, financially & time-wise I feel bogged down. I haven't even bought myself a toy since last year! I also I don't want to feel like I'm reviewing products for an empty room.
03/04/2014
Contributor: Heather Heather
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Originally posted by Elaira
Hi, my name is Dawn and I used to be an EF addict.

I first joined back in 2011 and I'd written over 200 reviews in almost a year's time. I was ranked in the top 5 reviewer spot for a while. I used to be quite the regular here and even ... more
When you said, "where's Lauren?" I had to laugh that's exactly what I said a few months back when I came back to EF and found something very different. I had no interest in any kind of point system, I came back to this site for the open intelligent conversations and fun discussions. Yes there was arguing from time to time but it was often dealt with appropriately and without too much drama. I'm very disappointed to see people like Lauren, Carrie, Sammie, Alan and Michelle all missing. On top of that the lack of products in stock forced me to look at other sites which are o.k. but I haven't found one yet that had what EF had and lost. I understand after finding people like Carrie and Michelle (Alan has since passed away) there was some major drama that caused a lot of people to walk. Not sure they will ever get it back.
03/06/2014
Contributor: Lilith Bealove Lilith Bealove
This post makes me happy! After the community started dying down I left eden. I was here for the fellowship and just stopped feeling it. I am hoping to get back into reviewing and being a part of this awesome community! Thanks for sharing this post so that we all are on the same page on how to keep the community going. =)
04/15/2014
Contributor: RomanticGoth RomanticGoth
It's nice to see a post with life in it again.

I left for a while due to personal issues and moving just as the whole point system started its revamp to the 15% deal due to point farming. I have to admit I am not a fan of it, and the lack of new inventory and selection has been making my mate and I look elsewhere for new toys. Hopefully, things will start looking up again.
04/16/2014