#AskEden is my privacy secure? - Created by SecretlySensuous on Jun 24, 2013: EdenFantasys Forum

LuckyLady

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Originally posted by SecretlySensuous

Since the points reconsideration form says:

"5. If your request will be denied and you will publicly accuse Company, Company reserves the rights to publicly disclose its findings, including your personal information, to substantiate its ... more

Hope this will answer your question hun.

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06/24/2013

SecretlySensuous

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Originally posted by LuckyLady

Hope this will answer your question hun. ... more

Yep, that's what I saw, so I'm asking Eden if they can provide any sort of reassurance that my private info is safe.

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06/24/2013

SecretlySensuous

Problem is, "point farming" was defined as reaching the limit of points an action can earn in a day...I posted on this forum plenty because I was excited about the community and several times wrote more posts than I got points for...

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06/24/2013

Loriandhubby

I for one am very concerned about this. All action I did were allowed. how can that be against anything. it was allowed.

to think that my personal info will be revealed publicly is very disturbing.

if my info is released , i will be reaching out to a lawyer and much more.

allowed actions are allowed. no something to warent my personal information being released to anyone.

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06/24/2013

Gdom

From what I understand (based on what Fred said in the other thread), #5 is all about legal action. The disclosure clause is only triggered when (1a) you file a lawsuit against Eden OR (1b) Eden files a lawsuit against you (e.g. for defamation; e.g. if you declare on your blog that Eden sells used toys, that would be grounds for such a suit--while truth is a defense against defamation, you'd have to go to court to actually argue that and by that point, the disclosure clause would have already triggered). AND (2) disclosure of that information (to the court, it seems) must be necessary in order for Eden to defend itself or to litigate against you for defamation. The clause does not give Eden the right to disclose your information just because it deems you a "point farmer"; legal action is a necessary precondition for disclosure. And announcing your real name and address in the next Eden newsletter (for example) is not conceivably necessary for these purposes, so nothing like that should be a cause for worry.

If you don't plan on suing Eden or publicly stating anything that would give rise to a defamation suit (such as accusing the company of criminal action), the disclosure clause should never trigger. Even if this clause didn't exist, in the context of a lawsuit, Eden could probably ontain and disclose (to the court) all of your relevant personal information anyway.

As scary as this clause looks at first, it's actually pretty mundane and commonplace. While I can't tell you what's right for you, I'll just say that I agreed to it and am not particularly worried (despite being highly protective of my own privacy). When it comes down to it, I'm fairly certain that provisions in my Apple End User agreements are more dangerous than this disclosure clause. If you don't feel comfortable signing on, by all means, think it over more, contact an attorney for advice, or decline to agree to it. Whatever you decide to do, I hope this legalese-ridden explanation might help you make an informed decision that you feel comfortable with.

Disclaimer: this is not legal advice and should not be treated as such.

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06/25/2013

Ryuson

(Review Program Mentor)

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Originally posted by Gdom

From what I understand (based on what Fred said in the other thread), #5 is all about legal action. The disclosure clause is only triggered when (1a) you file a lawsuit against Eden OR (1b) Eden files a lawsuit against you (e.g. for defamation; e.g. ... more

From what I understand (based on what Fred said in the other thread), #5 is all about legal action. The disclosure clause is only triggered when (1a) you file a lawsuit against Eden OR (1b) Eden files a lawsuit against you (e.g. for defamation; e.g. if you declare on your blog that Eden sells used toys, that would be grounds for such a suit--while truth is a defense against defamation, you'd have to go to court to actually argue that and by that point, the disclosure clause would have already triggered). AND (2) disclosure of that information (to the court, it seems) must be necessary in order for Eden to defend itself or to litigate against you for defamation. The clause does not give Eden the right to disclose your information just because it deems you a "point farmer"; legal action is a necessary precondition for disclosure. And announcing your real name and address in the next Eden newsletter (for example) is not conceivably necessary for these purposes, so nothing like that should be a cause for worry.

If you don't plan on suing Eden or publicly stating anything that would give rise to a defamation suit (such as accusing the company of criminal action), the disclosure clause should never trigger. Even if this clause didn't exist, in the context of a lawsuit, Eden could probably ontain and disclose (to the court) all of your relevant personal information anyway.

As scary as this clause looks at first, it's actually pretty mundane and commonplace. While I can't tell you what's right for you, I'll just say that I agreed to it and am not particularly worried (despite being highly protective of my own privacy). When it comes down to it, I'm fairly certain that provisions in my Apple End User agreements are more dangerous than this disclosure clause. If you don't feel comfortable signing on, by all means, think it over more, contact an attorney for advice, or decline to agree to it. Whatever you decide to do, I hope this legalese-ridden explanation might help you make an informed decision that you feel comfortable with.

Disclaimer: this is not legal advice and should not be treated as such. less

Thanks for giving clarification on this! There's no way that a credit card number etc. would " be necessary in order for Eden to defend itself or to litigate against you for defamation," nor would my address or anything, so you calmed my worries a bit with your 'legaleese.'

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06/25/2013

Woman China

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Originally posted by Gdom

From what I understand (based on what Fred said in the other thread), #5 is all about legal action. The disclosure clause is only triggered when (1a) you file a lawsuit against Eden OR (1b) Eden files a lawsuit against you (e.g. for defamation; e.g. ... more

From what I understand (based on what Fred said in the other thread), #5 is all about legal action. The disclosure clause is only triggered when (1a) you file a lawsuit against Eden OR (1b) Eden files a lawsuit against you (e.g. for defamation; e.g. if you declare on your blog that Eden sells used toys, that would be grounds for such a suit--while truth is a defense against defamation, you'd have to go to court to actually argue that and by that point, the disclosure clause would have already triggered). AND (2) disclosure of that information (to the court, it seems) must be necessary in order for Eden to defend itself or to litigate against you for defamation. The clause does not give Eden the right to disclose your information just because it deems you a "point farmer"; legal action is a necessary precondition for disclosure. And announcing your real name and address in the next Eden newsletter (for example) is not conceivably necessary for these purposes, so nothing like that should be a cause for worry.

If you don't plan on suing Eden or publicly stating anything that would give rise to a defamation suit (such as accusing the company of criminal action), the disclosure clause should never trigger. Even if this clause didn't exist, in the context of a lawsuit, Eden could probably ontain and disclose (to the court) all of your relevant personal information anyway.

As scary as this clause looks at first, it's actually pretty mundane and commonplace. While I can't tell you what's right for you, I'll just say that I agreed to it and am not particularly worried (despite being highly protective of my own privacy). When it comes down to it, I'm fairly certain that provisions in my Apple End User agreements are more dangerous than this disclosure clause. If you don't feel comfortable signing on, by all means, think it over more, contact an attorney for advice, or decline to agree to it. Whatever you decide to do, I hope this legalese-ridden explanation might help you make an informed decision that you feel comfortable with.

Disclaimer: this is not legal advice and should not be treated as such. less

Now the question is.... Are you bound by that clause if you don't sign it?

I am worried about this point as I've not yet been able to access the form so still deciding if I want to sign it or not. Or will EF/Fred change their mind and declare it to be part of the expectations of conduct and change his mind willy nilly?

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06/25/2013

McMuffin

Nothing else counts retroactively, maybe you can hope he will extend that to the lawsuits he gives?

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06/25/2013

Woman China

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Originally posted by Gdom

From what I understand (based on what Fred said in the other thread), #5 is all about legal action. The disclosure clause is only triggered when (1a) you file a lawsuit against Eden OR (1b) Eden files a lawsuit against you (e.g. for defamation; e.g. ... more

From what I understand (based on what Fred said in the other thread), #5 is all about legal action. The disclosure clause is only triggered when (1a) you file a lawsuit against Eden OR (1b) Eden files a lawsuit against you (e.g. for defamation; e.g. if you declare on your blog that Eden sells used toys, that would be grounds for such a suit--while truth is a defense against defamation, you'd have to go to court to actually argue that and by that point, the disclosure clause would have already triggered). AND (2) disclosure of that information (to the court, it seems) must be necessary in order for Eden to defend itself or to litigate against you for defamation. The clause does not give Eden the right to disclose your information just because it deems you a "point farmer"; legal action is a necessary precondition for disclosure. And announcing your real name and address in the next Eden newsletter (for example) is not conceivably necessary for these purposes, so nothing like that should be a cause for worry.

If you don't plan on suing Eden or publicly stating anything that would give rise to a defamation suit (such as accusing the company of criminal action), the disclosure clause should never trigger. Even if this clause didn't exist, in the context of a lawsuit, Eden could probably ontain and disclose (to the court) all of your relevant personal information anyway.

As scary as this clause looks at first, it's actually pretty mundane and commonplace. While I can't tell you what's right for you, I'll just say that I agreed to it and am not particularly worried (despite being highly protective of my own privacy). When it comes down to it, I'm fairly certain that provisions in my Apple End User agreements are more dangerous than this disclosure clause. If you don't feel comfortable signing on, by all means, think it over more, contact an attorney for advice, or decline to agree to it. Whatever you decide to do, I hope this legalese-ridden explanation might help you make an informed decision that you feel comfortable with.

Disclaimer: this is not legal advice and should not be treated as such. less

Sorry about that!!! Sandstorm dropped the signal as I hit post!!!!

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06/25/2013

ViVix

Defamation includes a false statement. I only have an Associate of Science in Crim., and I know that! It seems to me that many of the statements were truthful.

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06/25/2013