I chose 26+ but my real answer is: When they go from wanting to fuck us to wanting to love us. (Not love as in "make love", love as in care for and about). Even then I think it takes a few years, and some of them never actually figure out how to love us, only to appreciate how WE love THEM. In my experience very few men (boys) under 25 are aware of much other than themselves. I have a feeling that the Eden crowd doesn't speak for the majority of men as we all are an open bunch here and willing to share openly.

Just for the record I think women need to stop using phrases like "all men are pigs", "what do you expect he's a man" and "men are just jerks". First off, some men aren't. Both my younger brothers are total sweethearts, and many of my male friends have me baffled by how wonderfully they treat the women they are with. Secondly and equally as important, when terms are used grouping all men as a unit, you are not only setting a standard for what is acceptable male behavior (not good behavior, just expected), and secondly you are not holding the individual accountable for a CHOICE they have made. Sure a lot of men make stupid choices, but the more of them that do it without consequence, and the more women expect it of them the more likely they are to behave poorly. If every time a man did something horrible to a woman there was an awful consequence for them, I bet a lot less men would be interested in duplicating that behavior.

Just so we are clear here, I don't think women are saints by any means. The same is true of us, if we are held to higher standards and not graded on a curve, we would have more motivation to actually think about our actions beforehand.

I have heard the statement "you only have to be 1/3 as nice to a girl as you are an ass. I have seen that statement come true OVER AND OVER again. We need to be holding each other to a higher standard. On both sides. less

Girl With Fire said: "Just for the record I think women need to stop using phrases like "all men are pigs", "what do you expect he's a man" and "men are just jerks". First off, some men aren't."

HEAR HEAR! I hate when anyone thinks anyone is an ass or a bitch just because of their gender alone. Actions are what is important. less

I chose 26+ but my real answer is: When they go from wanting to fuck us to wanting to love us. (Not love as in "make love", love as in care for and about). Even then I think it takes a few years, and some of them never actually figure out how to love us, only to appreciate how WE love THEM. In my experience very few men (boys) under 25 are aware of much other than themselves. I have a feeling that the Eden crowd doesn't speak for the majority of men as we all are an open bunch here and willing to share openly.

Just for the record I think women need to stop using phrases like "all men are pigs", "what do you expect he's a man" and "men are just jerks". First off, some men aren't. Both my younger brothers are total sweethearts, and many of my male friends have me baffled by how wonderfully they treat the women they are with. Secondly and equally as important, when terms are used grouping all men as a unit, you are not only setting a standard for what is acceptable male behavior (not good behavior, just expected), and secondly you are not holding the individual accountable for a CHOICE they have made. Sure a lot of men make stupid choices, but the more of them that do it without consequence, and the more women expect it of them the more likely they are to behave poorly. If every time a man did something horrible to a woman there was an awful consequence for them, I bet a lot less men would be interested in duplicating that behavior.

Just so we are clear here, I don't think women are saints by any means. The same is true of us, if we are held to higher standards and not graded on a curve, we would have more motivation to actually think about our actions beforehand.

I have heard the statement "you only have to be 1/3 as nice to a girl as you are an ass. I have seen that statement come true OVER AND OVER again. We need to be holding each other to a higher standard. On both sides. less

I've been with a lot of men, but the ones who treated me with the most respect and tried their hardest to get me to orgasm before even thinking about themselves were 45+.. but then again, they were all cheating on their wives and long term girlfriends. Don't really know if that balances it out, but.. less

You make a good point. I put over 45 because that is the age of My Man and most of his friends. Now that I think about it, I don't know how most of them treat their women in bed, to be honest. A lot of them do complain about being "cut off" so I don't know if that's something more older women do (NOT ME!) or if they just aren't good enough in bed to keep their women interested.

However, many men this age do seem to have manners and treat women with some respect. At least in public.

But, I think you are right, every man is different. I would hate to be judged on my age alone. I don't think I'm "typical" for a woman my age. less

I don't think that any age group treats women better. I think it always depends on the individual. Sure there's periods in some men's life where they are better than others..just like there is for women, but I don't think age is the main factor. I know people who are assholes their entire life and people who are sweethearts for their entire life. It all depends on the person and age really is only a number and you can't just base everything off a year someone was born. less