The matter is not resolved!

Contributor: Victoria Victoria
Quote:
Originally posted by Oggins
This is a great thread Devilbluedress, thanks! Maybe we can get some answers here especially since the other threads have been taken down. I'm one of those lucky people that wouldn't be too adversely affected by my private information being ... more
Just a quick response - the list was created by people who no longer work here. I do not work that way as I have professional experience with data management and understand best practices. So there won't be "another list" while I'm working here.

Also - we are in no way vulnerable to hackers. That's pure speculation born of ignorance. Hacker s had nothing to do with this. (Read the original post from Drew to glean a better understanding.) We have a superb team of programmers and techs, which is why we've gotten accolades on our site design and functionalities. It’s also why we can often quickly adjust user functions.

Your privacy has never stopped being important and as an assurance of that, as I stated earlier, we are overhauling our procedures and continuing to be entirely transparent regarding our practices to both our community and the public at large.
11/21/2008
Contributor: Snappy Snappy
Thanks so much to whoever took my reviews down toute suite. I appreciate your good will very much. ; )
11/21/2008
Contributor: Victoria Victoria
Ladies and gentlemen...I'm callin it a night - so I won't see any responses until at least tomorrow. Have a good night!
11/21/2008
Contributor: Oggins Oggins
Quote:
Originally posted by Victoria
Just a quick response - the list was created by people who no longer work here. I do not work that way as I have professional experience with data management and understand best practices. So there won't be "another list" while I'm ... more
"So there won't be "another list" while I'm working here."

I really hope you are here for a long time then! =)

"Also - we are in no way vulnerable to hackers."

You don't know how glad I am to know this! I knew it wasn't caused by hackers but, it left me feeling as if eden was an easy target. I'm glad it is not!

"continuing to be entirely transparent regarding our practices to both our community and the public at large."

That's completely understandable and I'm very glad!

Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly even though it wasn't caused by you in any way! That means alot to me and I'm sorry that you have been left with all of this! This has made me feel a bit more at ease! =)
11/21/2008
Contributor: Oggins Oggins
Quote:
Originally posted by Victoria
Ladies and gentlemen...I'm callin it a night - so I won't see any responses until at least tomorrow. Have a good night!
Good night Victoria! You sure need it! =)
11/21/2008
Contributor: Dragon Dragon
Quote:
Originally posted by Victoria
I have NEWS: The new procedures to safeguard all company information will be announced Monday/Tuesday. The boss is drafting the plan over the weekend. Just got the email and thought you’d all like to know. (Yes, he and I are still working at nearly ... more
This is great, and much appreciated. I found out tonight that the physical location of Eden is in New Jersey. (Having lived there- that makes no sense, but!) I'm on the West Coast and a different time frame. Go home, Victoria.

I'm very glad to hear that Eden will be forthcoming with information soon.

However, tonight I've received several emails and discussed this with my husband. He doesn't understand how any Google document that was actually password protected would EVER be made publicly available, regardless of any links embedded in the document. I've communicated with someone that feels that she has no choice but to take her reviews down- even suggesting that she wait. I found out that one of the people that was actually listed on that document received essentially nothing more than a form letter that did not even indicate she was one of the people involved. She had to assume. I heard from another reviewer who had not even heard of the situation. I know one person who has contacted Eden and received no reply. (during working hours.) I heard from one person that thinks that Eden is such a lousy company that this would be enough to bring them down. Someone else who felt that Eden was cheap compared to other companies and difficult to work with.

Eden has a chance to come forth and recognize a major, but accidental screw up. What I see is they are compounding a relatively minor privacy breach with numerous mistakes. I still have the feeling that they are trying to keep this from as many reviewers as possible. It makes me sad, because Eden was the place where I learned about sex toys and it was the only place I've ever really shopped.

Victoria is open, honest and earning my respect through this. Maybe she should change her icon to "In the fire!"
11/22/2008
Contributor: Dragon Dragon
Quote:
Originally posted by Victoria
Ladies and gentlemen...I'm callin it a night - so I won't see any responses until at least tomorrow. Have a good night!
Yay! I think several posts went up while I was typing earlier. I'm glad to hear that you have experience in data management. I'm the one that first mentioned "hackers" so I'm going to follow up.

I know the initial problem was not related to hackers. However, the entire security procedures that led to the problem has left me wondering if any data might be vulnerable to hackers. How secure are the credit card transactions? (There are established procedures for dealing with fraud, but it's a royal PIA.) Many of us have a lot to lose personally if true identities are associated with sex toy reviews. That leaves people vulnerable in a different way to different threats.

Thank you for all of your work on this subject. It is tremendously appreciated.
11/22/2008
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
DBD, you are still asking some good questions.

Victoria, I think your answers are more what we want to hear. Still, I think it would be nice if the boss stepped up, too because I know this is not your fault and you have to pick up not only with dealing with this issue but just the every day operations of the review program.
11/22/2008
Contributor: His scarlett His scarlett
Thanks for starting this - i have been really concerned since discovering there was a breach of security - i really want to be reassured that this is a safe place - thanks
11/22/2008
Contributor: Liz2 Liz2
I was an unfortunate victim of an innocent major university security breech but I was one of 1500. The university provided additional security to their site and even offered a paid financial watchdog program.

My point is that communication is the key...shutting down or avoidance is unacceptable. I believe that In The Pink is doing the best she can...she is new and only one person but the entire EF organization has to be part of the resolution. Unfortunately there have been too many abrupt changes as of late with little or no continuity. Looking forward to the promised response and solution next week.

I use sex toys to help relieve my stress and I don't need another stresser in my life!
11/22/2008
Contributor: Dragon Dragon
One of the reviewers that communicated with me via email received an email from Eden notifying them of the security breach. At my request, she sent me a copy of it.

I'm dismayed, disgusted and angry.

If I understand this situation correctly
- You were notified that you were/were not on this document if you SENT an email request because you found out through the forum or word of mouth. (I personally did, and received a very prompt response.)
- You were notified by email if you were actually on this document in any form.

The copy of the email that this particular reviewer sent to me- (which I did not receive!)
1. Does not explicitly indicate that she was actually on the document
2. Is similar to the initial blog post, with some additional details
3. Gives a fairly lame excuse that the initial document was corrupted in the process of being made public or being removed making it difficult to contact people. (That makes perfect sense when an email got a prompt response.)

I've asked her permission to publish the letter.

If I've missed something in my understanding.... Clarification would be most welcome!

Victoria has done a great job dealing with people on the forum, but at this point I think a few others need to step in with a statement. Even if briefly.
11/22/2008
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
In light of this situation, I think everyone who is an affiliate should have been e-mailed and perhaps an additional e-mail should have been sent to those who were specifically affected. This is something all affiliates should have been made aware of and not just simply through the forums. Furthermore, it should have been explained clearly to those who were affected -why- they were receiving an e-mail.
11/22/2008
Contributor: Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
Quote:
Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
In light of this situation, I think everyone who is an affiliate should have been e-mailed and perhaps an additional e-mail should have been sent to those who were specifically affected. This is something all affiliates should have been made aware of ... more
Amen to that!

I'm so sorry, Victoria... this wasn't even your mess to clean up and you stayed up so late last night to help us understand what was happening... because no one else was. Thank you for your dedication.
11/22/2008
Contributor: Foxxy Kitty Foxxy Kitty
I'm still trying to digest all of this...what a shame. I love EF's and put my trust into them, but it's hard to believe that this could happen. i hope things are resolved soon.
11/22/2008
Contributor: ~Storm ~Storm
I received the "letter" yesterday afternoon. I'm the one DBD is referring to in her previous post. The first letter I got was a "canned" response, similar to the original forum post. I sent back a one line email asking if I was to assume I was on the "list" that got out and today I received a note from Drew apologizing and confirming that I was indeed, on the list.

I'm not AS concerned about the list (although not happy because it carries many other implications attached to it) as I am about the way it has been handled. I think getting a canned response in an email yesterday was wrong. It felt "sneaky", like by not mentioning it directly in the first email, they were somehow covering their asses.

I don't blame either Victoria or Drew for this fiasco; they had nothing to do with it. But it does make me question the "owner", who leaves the fallen pieces to the two newest members of the team.

But you know, I rarely read this forum, and if I had not gone to another blog and then come here, I would never have known. Would the letter have gone out if everyone hadn't pushed for it?
11/22/2008
Contributor: Dragon Dragon
This is the letter sent out for "notification" to the affected people. I also found out that Drew is also new this week. Fred where are you?

Dear Community Members,
>
> It was brought to our attention that an unintentional privacy breach at
> EdenFantasys occurred on Wednesday evening. A document was accidentally made
> public through Google Docs. Eden Fantasys takes full responsibility for this
> action and stresses that this document is no longer public.
>
> This document contained the names, physical addresses, email addresses, and
> reviewer status of 60 individuals. Let us stress that there was no
> information containing or pertaining to financial records or passwords. This
> document was maintained for the purpose of keeping up with all our members
> enrolled in the blogger reviewer program.
>
>
> In our effort to keep up-to-date records and accounts, the document was
> inadvertently made public. This left a URL of the document in a blogger's
> referral log file. It was at this time we became aware of the issue and
> deleted all personal information that had been unintentionally made public.
> The document has since been removed from Google Docs completely and as a
> further precaution, Google Docs will no longer be used by Eden Fantasys.
>
>
> Eden Fantasys places the utmost value on the privacy of its members,
> contributors, reviewers and customers. We would never intentionally or
> knowingly distribute any private information through public domain, be it
> via the web or any other channels.
>
>
>
> Many of you may be wondering why it has taken us so long to contact you.
> This is due to the amount of time needed to reconstitute the original
> document, which had been corrupted in the process of being made public. We
> offer our sincerest apologies for this delay; it has been our intention from
> the beginning to contact each and every one of you. However, due to the
> status of the document, it took more time than we realized to relocate all
> pertinent contact information.
>
> All of us at EdenFantasys take full responsibility for this unfortunate
> incident, and we are taking all necessary steps to ensure that it does not
> happen again. We would like to offer our most sincere apologies to everyone
> who has been affected by this situation. Furthermore, we also understand
> that some of you may wish to discontinue your association with EdenFantasys.
> If this is your wish, then please let us know, and we will work with all due
> diligence to remove you from our records and mailing list, as well as your
> on-site profile.
>
>
>
> We would also like to extend our gratitude to all our community members,
> whether you choose to continue with us or not. Your hard work, dedication,
> and trust are greatly appreciated by us all. We will strive to regain the
> trust of those who wish to continue their relationship with us, as well as
> those who choose to not to. We will rededicate ourselves to making
> EdenFantasys a safe, welcoming community that listens to the needs of its
> members.
>
>
>
> This has been a deeply humbling experience for all of us at EdenFantasys.
> Once again, we apologize to all of you.
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely

{signature removed for privacy}
11/22/2008
Contributor: Fun Lover Fun Lover
I was not one of the people that was affected with information being released about me. I'm just a reviewer and have never received any free toys from EF but have spent hundreds of dollars with EF. EF being a business, anyone who has spent any amount of money with EF should be notified about what has happened instead of having to find out on their own. Being in business EF had better listen to what their customers are saying and treat them as customers and give them answers to the questions that are being asked. Instead of just a few at EF which are doing a great of trying to get this resolved it needs to be company wide because it could affect effect every employee.

When you register with EF you have to enter an e-mail everyone should have been e-mailed instead of playing this one out on the forum post or on a blog as has been done. I have the same questions as everybody else so I won't go their. I'm watching this very close as I'm sure many others are. With 56 pages of reviewers listed on the web site you have only heard from a select few who are the major ones.

How you handle this could affect the future of EF. All the employees of EF need to be involved in the decisions being made and what is in the best interest of the company and its customers. Fred I think if you care about your company and its employees the final statement need to come from you and you need to think very carefully about what is said. The longer it drags on the worse it will be for EF and its customers.

DBD THANK YOU and every one else for their concern hopefully this will get resolved very soon.
11/22/2008
Contributor: Epiphora Epiphora
That email sounds good, EXCEPT for the fact that it doesn't say "you were one of those people"! I'd really like an explanation for THAT.

As many others have said, I also agree that EVERYONE should have been notified via email. It would have been nice to hear "hard work, dedication, and trust are greatly appreciated by us all." Instead only the people on the list got this letter and the rest of the community... well, apparently doesn't matter enough to notify.
11/23/2008
Contributor: Dragon Dragon
Quote:
Originally posted by Epiphora
That email sounds good, EXCEPT for the fact that it doesn't say "you were one of those people"! I'd really like an explanation for THAT.

As many others have said, I also agree that EVERYONE should have been notified via ... more
I absolutely agree with you.

In the interest of providing the benefit of the doubt to Eden... I am assuming that when they step forward with an explanation this will be one of the things they address.

Personally, I believe that the entire review community should be notified by email, not just the forums. I will have difficulty with complete trust until they do so. I can understand a desire to wait until new procedures are clarified and in place though.
11/23/2008
Contributor: Dragon Dragon
One question that is coming up in several places- both forums and private emails.

What exactly was the document that was temporarily released? How were these names related and specifically what was on the document.

I'm not sure that this is appropriate information for Eden to disclose (I'm assuming a legitimate business document), but given that I have heard it as a concern in several places, I'm adding it to the forum. The specifics of what was released should be disclosed to the affected parties only.
11/23/2008
Contributor: ~Storm ~Storm
Quote:
Originally posted by Epiphora
That email sounds good, EXCEPT for the fact that it doesn't say "you were one of those people"! I'd really like an explanation for THAT.

As many others have said, I also agree that EVERYONE should have been notified via ... more
How do you figure the people who got the letter matter any more than the people who didn't? The letter didn't mention that they WERE on the list. I got the letter, that very letter, and had to write back and ask the question, rather than assume. Then I got a note back confirming yes, I was on of the 60.

I agree everyone should have gotten the letter, so I didn't mean that to sound like an attack. But I also believe those of us who were on the list should have gotten something more than THAT form letter. I have also said I think posting it in a forum was a terrible way to announce the breach to begin with.

Still, I too, am giving EF the benefit of the doubt, and seeing what happens next.

But where are the other 59 who also got the letter? Was anyone else on this forum on the list?
11/23/2008
Contributor: Dragon Dragon
"But where are the other 59 who also got the letter? Was anyone else on this forum on the list?"

If I may...
I know that there are a large number of people who are watching only and not actually participating. Waiting is actually productive right now.

I would also bet though that all 60 people are not completely aware of the situation. The letter sent out required a follow up email if you had not been following the forums. Trying to get a "roll call" of who knows is not productive, and some people for obvious reasons may prefer not to identify themselves. They may still be waiting to make decisions about their next actions.

I've taken the lead on this. (Mostly by default when I was pissed, but also because I firmly believe in fixing problems not ignoring them.) If anyone wants to contact me privately to answer Storms question I'd be happy to add that information to the forum.
11/23/2008
Contributor: Miss Jane Miss Jane
Quote:
Originally posted by Dragon
Unfortunately...
The matter is not resolved.

There is a very, very good post up by Victoria on several threads that leaves a conclusion. I see Eden's point that they feel that has created a negative situation and conflict between ... more
Okay, I didn't check the forum for a few days.. what happened?!?
11/23/2008
Contributor: Miss Jane Miss Jane
Quote:
Originally posted by Miss Jane
Okay, I didn't check the forum for a few days.. what happened?!?
Nevermind, I found the other threads. Sheeeesh.
11/23/2008
Contributor: Dragon Dragon
Quote:
Originally posted by Miss Jane
Nevermind, I found the other threads. Sheeeesh.
This one has a lot of summary info. The first one out was a little heated.
11/23/2008
Contributor: Epiphora Epiphora
Quote:
Originally posted by ~Storm
How do you figure the people who got the letter matter any more than the people who didn't? The letter didn't mention that they WERE on the list. I got the letter, that very letter, and had to write back and ask the question, rather than ... more
I didn't say that the people who got the letter mattered more. I'm making the same point that you wish to make.. that EVERYONE should have received that letter. That even if I was not on the list, it would have been nice to hear Eden reassure me that I am an asset to the community in some fashion.

I think the letter is better than what they posted to the forums in that it directly addresses the reader and says "we apologize." But as with everything else they've posted/done w/ regard to this (excepting In the Pink's post), it is too vague and seems to skirt the issue.
11/23/2008
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
Quote:
Originally posted by Dragon
One question that is coming up in several places- both forums and private emails.

What exactly was the document that was temporarily released? How were these names related and specifically what was on the document.

I'm not sure ... more
From what I understand, the Blogger Reviewer program isn't something like the on site review program. It seems to be that this spreadsheet was used to keep track of participants and products being reviewed as well as on site usernames, e-mails and addresses as a sort of quick check sheet.
11/24/2008
Contributor: Dragon Dragon
Fred has started a new post. I'm not sure that everyone has seen it. The link is Security.

He spent some time on his post, and I recommend you read it. He is opening up the lines of communication with a weekly post.

I would love to personally communicate with Fred, but I don't anticipate doing so. He has a business to manage.

I will say that I have been in contact with several people off-forum, and I'm thinking about if I should have any response that is beneficial to everyone.
11/24/2008
Contributor: Dragon Dragon
I emailed Fred to ask if he would be interested in communicating with me. He agreed, for which I'm grateful personally.

I'd also like to say Thanks to everyone who has appreciated this post- both here and privately.
11/25/2008
Contributor: Airlia Airlia
Ok I've been out of the loop for a bit. I'm VERY disappointed for a number of reasons. EF said they had sent out an email to everyone on that list. Apparently they hadn't because I received an email MUCH later AFTER I emailed them with questions of my own. The email was similar to the one Storm received.

Epiphora I agree with you - everyone should have received an email from the get go. HOWEVER the people affected should have received some information promptly and it concerns me that I didn't receive anything until after I was proactive. What if I wasn't? What if there are people on that list still that aren't being notified? When will all the lies stop? I love EF, I enjoy the customer service and the free toys. After the amount of time I've spent reviewing I've yet to receive any expensive toys, (which I have no real gripe against) but also am yet to experience the kind of wonderful personal and caring service I've received at a new sex shop site as a brand new reviewer.

I'm glad the censorship has stopped, that had me annoyed for a long time. No one has answered Epiphora's questions or mine satisfactorily yet. Victoria, I commend you for the time you've put into repairing all the damage done by 'whomever' else. However I'm still waiting for the basic answers.
11/25/2008