I know it sounds silly, but the THOUGHT of being cut open and taken apart piece by piece and having me scattered around in different people is very unpleasant!
Are you an organ donor? Why or why not? For what?
12/15/2010
I'm a donor and I don't have any limitations. I'll be done with everything, so if someone else can get any use out of anything, then great. I wish to be cremated, so it wouldn't really matter to me. Sure, it's creepy if I really think about being cut up, but I'll be dead and gone, so it'll be ok. I'd like to think that my loved ones could find more peace with my passing if it helped save someone else's life.
12/15/2010
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I feel the same way about donating, anything goes. I plan to be cremated so whatever someone can use from me is OK when I'm dead.
Originally posted by
Tori Rebel
I really am ok with all of it - eyes, skin, intestines, veins, everything. Again, some of it may seem odd at first but I'll be done with all of it. Even if they couldn't hide pretty much everything for a proper funeral (which I'm not
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I really am ok with all of it - eyes, skin, intestines, veins, everything. Again, some of it may seem odd at first but I'll be done with all of it. Even if they couldn't hide pretty much everything for a proper funeral (which I'm not particularly concerned with) it's still worth someone's life to me. I'll be dead, it's ok if I don't look my best
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12/15/2010
In the state where I live, they give you a form on which you can check limitations. I basically said take it all except skin, eyes, or corneas. I have a family friend who is a mortician, and he knows from experience that there's really no good way to take those parts, you always end up looking a mess. I'd like to have an open casket, unless I was in a bad accident, and then in that case they probably wouldn't want my skin, eye, or corneas anyway.
12/15/2010
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Donate those corneas!
Originally posted by
Beaners
In the state where I live, they give you a form on which you can check limitations. I basically said take it all except skin, eyes, or corneas. I have a family friend who is a mortician, and he knows from experience that there's really no good
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In the state where I live, they give you a form on which you can check limitations. I basically said take it all except skin, eyes, or corneas. I have a family friend who is a mortician, and he knows from experience that there's really no good way to take those parts, you always end up looking a mess. I'd like to have an open casket, unless I was in a bad accident, and then in that case they probably wouldn't want my skin, eye, or corneas anyway.
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When my father died we said we wanted to donate his organs but we were told they couldn't use them. Later we received a call telling us that two different people each received one of his corneas. My siblings and I were elated. We were beyond happy that something positive could come from his death.
I've been a donor for a long time.
12/15/2010
I'm not, it's far more likely that I'll be on a waiting list at some point in my life.
12/16/2010
I don't approve of the vast majority of my fellow human beings, so I am not going to contribute my organs into someone I probably wouldn't like.
12/17/2010
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That may be the most narcissistic thing I've ever read. It must be sad to live in a world full of people who are so inferior to you.
Originally posted by
Avant-garde
I don't approve of the vast majority of my fellow human beings, so I am not going to contribute my organs into someone I probably wouldn't like.
I'm sure I don't meet your standards so pardon my interruption into your superior world.
12/17/2010
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I agree with Avant-garde to some degree. In my case it is not that I disapprove of people as much as it is that I would be upset if my organs went to somebody who I think the world would be a whole lot better without. This includes child molesters, rapists and murderers, bullies, essentially anybody who repeatedly harms their fellow human beings either intentionally or because they just don't give a fuck about anybody other than themselves. I don't expect anybody to be able to distinguish most of these people from the rest of society, I just think it would be a shame if my body parts helped to further their behavior in any way.
Originally posted by
Gunsmoke
That may be the most narcissistic thing I've ever read. It must be sad to live in a world full of people who are so inferior to you.
I'm sure I don't meet your standards so pardon my interruption into your superior world.
I'm sure I don't meet your standards so pardon my interruption into your superior world.
12/18/2010
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That's ludicrous! 99.9% of organs go to deserving - but very sick people. Your chances of helping a worthwhile human being far exceed the irrational fear of helping a child molester or some other social monster.
Originally posted by
Emma (Girl With Fire)
I agree with Avant-garde to some degree. In my case it is not that I disapprove of people as much as it is that I would be upset if my organs went to somebody who I think the world would be a whole lot better without. This includes child molesters,
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I agree with Avant-garde to some degree. In my case it is not that I disapprove of people as much as it is that I would be upset if my organs went to somebody who I think the world would be a whole lot better without. This includes child molesters, rapists and murderers, bullies, essentially anybody who repeatedly harms their fellow human beings either intentionally or because they just don't give a fuck about anybody other than themselves. I don't expect anybody to be able to distinguish most of these people from the rest of society, I just think it would be a shame if my body parts helped to further their behavior in any way.
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Honestly where do such an irrational fears come from?
12/18/2010
I am an organ donor with no limitations. I would like my body to help as many people as possible.
12/18/2010
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I don't know. My feelings wont stop me from donating my organs but like I said earlier, I am not registered I have simply let my family know that in case of my death I would like my organs to be donated.
Originally posted by
Gunsmoke
That's ludicrous! 99.9% of organs go to deserving - but very sick people. Your chances of helping a worthwhile human being far exceed the irrational fear of helping a child molester or some other social monster.
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Honestly where do such an ... more
That's ludicrous! 99.9% of organs go to deserving - but very sick people. Your chances of helping a worthwhile human being far exceed the irrational fear of helping a child molester or some other social monster.
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12/18/2010
Everything but the eyes. I guess it would creep me out to have no eyeballs? If I decide to get cremated, that will probably change. I am very scared of burning, even in death.
12/18/2010
If I don't require them - someone else might as well enjoy the rest of their lives if my organs can be of use to them.
Other wise they are just going to be cremated.
Other wise they are just going to be cremated.
12/18/2010
I'm not an organ donor, though I never really sat down to think about it. I probably should give it some thought.
12/18/2010
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Of course not. But, frequently, knowing the facts can ease one's fears.
Originally posted by
ToyGeek
Fears don't need to be rational to be fears.
12/18/2010
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Girl with Fire, sweetie, I understand your fears. But, fortunately most of them are urban myths.
Originally posted by
Emma (Girl With Fire)
Just a note, I did not mean to offend anybody by my comment that the woman in the ad needs a meal. I am aware that some people who are naturally thin are very self conscious about their weight and appearance. I just find it disgusting that the media
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Just a note, I did not mean to offend anybody by my comment that the woman in the ad needs a meal. I am aware that some people who are naturally thin are very self conscious about their weight and appearance. I just find it disgusting that the media uses people who look like they could have just come off of a season of survivor to use as sex symbols. There is a REASON eating disorders are so common. I have nothing against naturally thin people, I find them as beautiful as anybody else, but people who are naturally thin rarely look like they are dying of starvation, they are just thin.
Second, people do fucked up things when they are desperate and my organs do not need to be involved in any of them. They can have them when I am done with them.
Third, and this might sound really fucked up but it really freaks me out that my blood/organs could end up in some prison psychos body. Or some other horrible excuse for a human being. That being said, I am aware I don't really have the option to choose; so maybe from now on I will wish on every shooting star I see, that when I am done with them they will go to somebody who truly deserves them. less
Second, people do fucked up things when they are desperate and my organs do not need to be involved in any of them. They can have them when I am done with them.
Third, and this might sound really fucked up but it really freaks me out that my blood/organs could end up in some prison psychos body. Or some other horrible excuse for a human being. That being said, I am aware I don't really have the option to choose; so maybe from now on I will wish on every shooting star I see, that when I am done with them they will go to somebody who truly deserves them. less
Most people in prison DO NOT qualify for the Organ Recipient Program. It's unbelievable what can disqualify someone, due to the cost and the lack of organs. For instance, alcoholics often are not included. Sometimes, if they have been sober for a period of time, they may get a liver, but NO alcoholic is going to get a second one if they destroy the first donor organ. And, most won't even get as far as getting ONE organ. I'm not judging alcoholics (some people very close to me have this disease and I don't love them any less) It's just that the committees chose people who they deem will live long enough, will not do anything to destroy the organ (for instance, people with chronic diseases, that would quickly destroy a donor organ are not going to get one)
Prisoners in prison are NOT getting donor organs. It's TOO expensive and the committees who chose who gets organs is usually going to choose a young person, usually someone who has a lot going for them, usually parents of young children or children are put first. It is not a "first come first serve" program. Every hospital which does organ transplants have slightly different rules, but not every one who needs an organ is even going to get on the list. And those who are the most sick, and deemed to be the most "deserving" will get them first.
And, they don't take them before you are "done" with them. Yes, some people give a relative a kidney or part of a liver, BUT those are not normal donations which fall under the same rules as the organ donor program. Those are interfamily donations, and the rules are much different. If you are on the organ donor list, NO ONE will ask you for a single thing while you are alive.
There are people who VOLUNTEER to give blood and bone marrow, and are on lists. This is NOT the organ donor program.It's a different program. And completely voluntary.
12/18/2010
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I know all of this. I actually know quite a bit about the organ donor program. At least in Canada. I just feel more comfortable not being on a list. If somebody close to me needed a kidney or part of my liver, even my bone marrow I would donate it to them. I would at the very least be tested to see if I am compatible. I have even promised a friend that I would carry a child for her if she needed somebody to do so because she is having chronic cervical, uterine and fallopian issues.
Originally posted by
P'Gell
Girl with Fire, sweetie, I understand your fears. But, fortunately most of them are urban myths.
Most people in prison DO NOT qualify for the Organ Recipient Program. It's unbelievable what can disqualify someone, due to the cost and the ... more
Most people in prison DO NOT qualify for the Organ Recipient Program. It's unbelievable what can disqualify someone, due to the cost and the ... more
Girl with Fire, sweetie, I understand your fears. But, fortunately most of them are urban myths.
Most people in prison DO NOT qualify for the Organ Recipient Program. It's unbelievable what can disqualify someone, due to the cost and the lack of organs. For instance, alcoholics often are not included. Sometimes, if they have been sober for a period of time, they may get a liver, but NO alcoholic is going to get a second one if they destroy the first donor organ. And, most won't even get as far as getting ONE organ. I'm not judging alcoholics (some people very close to me have this disease and I don't love them any less) It's just that the committees chose people who they deem will live long enough, will not do anything to destroy the organ (for instance, people with chronic diseases, that would quickly destroy a donor organ are not going to get one)
Prisoners in prison are NOT getting donor organs. It's TOO expensive and the committees who chose who gets organs is usually going to choose a young person, usually someone who has a lot going for them, usually parents of young children or children are put first. It is not a "first come first serve" program. Every hospital which does organ transplants have slightly different rules, but not every one who needs an organ is even going to get on the list. And those who are the most sick, and deemed to be the most "deserving" will get them first.
And, they don't take them before you are "done" with them. Yes, some people give a relative a kidney or part of a liver, BUT those are not normal donations which fall under the same rules as the organ donor program. Those are interfamily donations, and the rules are much different. If you are on the organ donor list, NO ONE will ask you for a single thing while you are alive.
There are people who VOLUNTEER to give blood and bone marrow, and are on lists. This is NOT the organ donor program.It's a different program. And completely voluntary. less
Most people in prison DO NOT qualify for the Organ Recipient Program. It's unbelievable what can disqualify someone, due to the cost and the lack of organs. For instance, alcoholics often are not included. Sometimes, if they have been sober for a period of time, they may get a liver, but NO alcoholic is going to get a second one if they destroy the first donor organ. And, most won't even get as far as getting ONE organ. I'm not judging alcoholics (some people very close to me have this disease and I don't love them any less) It's just that the committees chose people who they deem will live long enough, will not do anything to destroy the organ (for instance, people with chronic diseases, that would quickly destroy a donor organ are not going to get one)
Prisoners in prison are NOT getting donor organs. It's TOO expensive and the committees who chose who gets organs is usually going to choose a young person, usually someone who has a lot going for them, usually parents of young children or children are put first. It is not a "first come first serve" program. Every hospital which does organ transplants have slightly different rules, but not every one who needs an organ is even going to get on the list. And those who are the most sick, and deemed to be the most "deserving" will get them first.
And, they don't take them before you are "done" with them. Yes, some people give a relative a kidney or part of a liver, BUT those are not normal donations which fall under the same rules as the organ donor program. Those are interfamily donations, and the rules are much different. If you are on the organ donor list, NO ONE will ask you for a single thing while you are alive.
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12/18/2010
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Sounds to me like you're more afraid of paperwork and the competence of the related bureaucracy than you are of organ donation, which certainly makes sense to me!
Originally posted by
Emma (Girl With Fire)
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I know all of this. I actually know quite a bit about the organ donor program. At least in Canada. I just feel more comfortable not being on a list. If somebody close to me needed a kidney or part of my liver, even my bone marrow I would donate it to them. I would at the very least be tested to see if I am compatible. I have even promised a friend that I would carry a child for her if she needed somebody to do so because she is having chronic cervical, uterine and fallopian issues.
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12/19/2010
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If I remember correctly from when my ex-husband was a hospital employee, they actually have kind of a council so-to-say that decides whether or not certain people CAN have organs. There is a waiting list, as has been mentioned, where every person regardless of status is placed in line, but there is also a staff of doctors, etc. that decide if certain people receive organs. If a smoker needs a new lung, they may not be given it over someone that has never smoked. If an alcoholic needs a liver (which you don't need a whole one of us as a transplant, just a portion - it's a fascinating organ), they may not get one if it was their own fault that their original one failed. I'm not sure what the policy for criminals is but I'd be prone to believe that people on death row or even life in prison may be given less priority than those not incarcerated. And I don't think it's an issue that comes up when the organ is available, but rather when the person is put on the list. I'm sure there's some medical personnel around here that can clarify what of this goes on where...
Originally posted by
Gunsmoke
That's ludicrous! 99.9% of organs go to deserving - but very sick people. Your chances of helping a worthwhile human being far exceed the irrational fear of helping a child molester or some other social monster.
Honestly where do such an ... more
Honestly where do such an ... more
That's ludicrous! 99.9% of organs go to deserving - but very sick people. Your chances of helping a worthwhile human being far exceed the irrational fear of helping a child molester or some other social monster.
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I don't know all of the details though, or if this is even done everywhere. I just picked up bits and pieces of the process when my ex worked in GI and had a lot of patients with liver disorders and failure.
12/19/2010
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LOL - It would probably help if I read the WHOLE page before speculating over all the same info. Thanks P'Gell!
Originally posted by
P'Gell
Girl with Fire, sweetie, I understand your fears. But, fortunately most of them are urban myths.
Most people in prison DO NOT qualify for the Organ Recipient Program. It's unbelievable what can disqualify someone, due to the cost and the ... more
Most people in prison DO NOT qualify for the Organ Recipient Program. It's unbelievable what can disqualify someone, due to the cost and the ... more
Girl with Fire, sweetie, I understand your fears. But, fortunately most of them are urban myths.
Most people in prison DO NOT qualify for the Organ Recipient Program. It's unbelievable what can disqualify someone, due to the cost and the lack of organs. For instance, alcoholics often are not included. Sometimes, if they have been sober for a period of time, they may get a liver, but NO alcoholic is going to get a second one if they destroy the first donor organ. And, most won't even get as far as getting ONE organ. I'm not judging alcoholics (some people very close to me have this disease and I don't love them any less) It's just that the committees chose people who they deem will live long enough, will not do anything to destroy the organ (for instance, people with chronic diseases, that would quickly destroy a donor organ are not going to get one)
Prisoners in prison are NOT getting donor organs. It's TOO expensive and the committees who chose who gets organs is usually going to choose a young person, usually someone who has a lot going for them, usually parents of young children or children are put first. It is not a "first come first serve" program. Every hospital which does organ transplants have slightly different rules, but not every one who needs an organ is even going to get on the list. And those who are the most sick, and deemed to be the most "deserving" will get them first.
And, they don't take them before you are "done" with them. Yes, some people give a relative a kidney or part of a liver, BUT those are not normal donations which fall under the same rules as the organ donor program. Those are interfamily donations, and the rules are much different. If you are on the organ donor list, NO ONE will ask you for a single thing while you are alive.
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Most people in prison DO NOT qualify for the Organ Recipient Program. It's unbelievable what can disqualify someone, due to the cost and the lack of organs. For instance, alcoholics often are not included. Sometimes, if they have been sober for a period of time, they may get a liver, but NO alcoholic is going to get a second one if they destroy the first donor organ. And, most won't even get as far as getting ONE organ. I'm not judging alcoholics (some people very close to me have this disease and I don't love them any less) It's just that the committees chose people who they deem will live long enough, will not do anything to destroy the organ (for instance, people with chronic diseases, that would quickly destroy a donor organ are not going to get one)
Prisoners in prison are NOT getting donor organs. It's TOO expensive and the committees who chose who gets organs is usually going to choose a young person, usually someone who has a lot going for them, usually parents of young children or children are put first. It is not a "first come first serve" program. Every hospital which does organ transplants have slightly different rules, but not every one who needs an organ is even going to get on the list. And those who are the most sick, and deemed to be the most "deserving" will get them first.
And, they don't take them before you are "done" with them. Yes, some people give a relative a kidney or part of a liver, BUT those are not normal donations which fall under the same rules as the organ donor program. Those are interfamily donations, and the rules are much different. If you are on the organ donor list, NO ONE will ask you for a single thing while you are alive.
There are people who VOLUNTEER to give blood and bone marrow, and are on lists. This is NOT the organ donor program.It's a different program. And completely voluntary. less
12/19/2010
I'm a registered organ donor, for the simple fact that if I'm going to die, or wish I had, I would like my organs to give life to somebody who might be able to benefit from them.
I'm not a huge fan of wasting things, especially my organs.. I'm also not religious in any way so this isn't a consideration of mine.
I don't believe all the crap people say about the possibility of being "let go" easier than doctors may if you were not a donor. This is simply ludicrous, I know of no doctor who became one to watch their patients die.
I'm not a huge fan of wasting things, especially my organs.. I'm also not religious in any way so this isn't a consideration of mine.
I don't believe all the crap people say about the possibility of being "let go" easier than doctors may if you were not a donor. This is simply ludicrous, I know of no doctor who became one to watch their patients die.
12/23/2010
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Damn straight.
Originally posted by
ToyGeek
Sounds to me like you're more afraid of paperwork and the competence of the related bureaucracy than you are of organ donation, which certainly makes sense to me!
12/23/2010
I have thought about it, but I just can't. I know my body will eventually be eaten away by worms, but it just disturbs me that if I am an organ donor people will be mutilating my body.
12/28/2010
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Doesn't that strike you as a self-centered - maybe even selfish attitude.
Originally posted by
lamira
I have thought about it, but I just can't. I know my body will eventually be eaten away by worms, but it just disturbs me that if I am an organ donor people will be mutilating my body.
When you need blood to stay alive - someone who has given of themselves saved your life. If you needed a transplant - wouldn't you be willing to accept it to save your life?
Maybe put another way - if your not willing to be a donor, should you be precluded from being a recipient?
12/29/2010
I'm not an organ donor...YET. I want to be, but I have a pretty severe (and irrational, I know!!) fear that if I become an organ donor and I'm in an extremely bad accident, the doctors will put in a little less effort trying to save me. Easier to pronounce me dead and harvest my organs than keep fighting to save my life, which would be a bit more appropriate if everything was going to waste anyway.
It's just a matter of time before I get over this fear and register, though. Wish it were sooner rather than later.
It's just a matter of time before I get over this fear and register, though. Wish it were sooner rather than later.
12/29/2010
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Yeah, maybe. But the thought of being dead is unpleasant also. One really doesn't have a choice about things like that.
Originally posted by
Harlequin
I know it sounds silly, but the THOUGHT of being cut open and taken apart piece by piece and having me scattered around in different people is very unpleasant!
IMO, anyway, my organs rotting in the ground, or being burned up when they could be saving lives is MUCH more unpleasant.
I'm a nurse, I've seen people die while on organ waiting lists. I would do any thing in my power not to be responsible for someone dying who had a chance. Once you are dead, who cares what happens to the remains? If they can do a living person good, they are welcome to them.
12/29/2010
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Convicted criminals DO NOT get on organ waiting lists.
Originally posted by
Emma (Girl With Fire)
I agree with Avant-garde to some degree. In my case it is not that I disapprove of people as much as it is that I would be upset if my organs went to somebody who I think the world would be a whole lot better without. This includes child molesters,
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I agree with Avant-garde to some degree. In my case it is not that I disapprove of people as much as it is that I would be upset if my organs went to somebody who I think the world would be a whole lot better without. This includes child molesters, rapists and murderers, bullies, essentially anybody who repeatedly harms their fellow human beings either intentionally or because they just don't give a fuck about anybody other than themselves. I don't expect anybody to be able to distinguish most of these people from the rest of society, I just think it would be a shame if my body parts helped to further their behavior in any way.
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It isn't up to me to judge WHO gets my organs. I'm sure there are people who wouldn't want me getting their organs, as I'm just going to "be a nympho pervert" as I continue to live. Would that be a good reason for someone to deny me a kidney or a liver if I needed one? I don't think so.
Convicted criminals DO NOT get on organ waiting lists. I've stated this before. The state does NOT pay for these things and there are people on Organ Recipient Committees who decide who gets what. Convicted criminals, especially violent criminals DO NOT get on the lists.
I think I'm repeating myself.
12/29/2010
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That simply doesn't happen. They don't sacrifice one person to save an other one. What SENSE would that make?
Originally posted by
Dusk
I'm not an organ donor...YET. I want to be, but I have a pretty severe (and irrational, I know!!) fear that if I become an organ donor and I'm in an extremely bad accident, the doctors will put in a little less effort trying to save me.
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I'm not an organ donor...YET. I want to be, but I have a pretty severe (and irrational, I know!!) fear that if I become an organ donor and I'm in an extremely bad accident, the doctors will put in a little less effort trying to save me. Easier to pronounce me dead and harvest my organs than keep fighting to save my life, which would be a bit more appropriate if everything was going to waste anyway.
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It doesn't make "more sense" to hospitals to pronounce you dead than to try to save you. I've worked in freaking hospitals. THIS JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN! Organ Harvest is taken VERY seriously and the person donating is NOT considered less important than the one getting the organ. Plus, you have to be brain dead or very near it (something from which a person cannot recover from) before they even consider talking to the family about harvesting.
Organ donors are treated with great respect, even when they are dead (and they are ALWAYS dead once they are on the table) and the harvest begins.
12/29/2010
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And in all fairness, a lot of what is done during autopsy or even basic embalming can be pretty extreme to begin with. Once your blood has been drained and replaced with a chemical fluid, many of your internal organs are then 'cleaned out' to be removed of any fluids or secretions. Your eyes and mouth will also be glued shut. So even if you don't donate, your body isn't just being put into a casket in anywhere near 'perfect' shape - a level of mutilation is a part of the process no matter what.
Originally posted by
P'Gell
Yeah, maybe. But the thought of being dead is unpleasant also. One really doesn't have a choice about things like that.
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IMO, anyway, my organs rotting in the ground, or being burned up when they could be saving lives is MUCH more ... more
Yeah, maybe. But the thought of being dead is unpleasant also. One really doesn't have a choice about things like that.
IMO, anyway, my organs rotting in the ground, or being burned up when they could be saving lives is MUCH more unpleasant.
I'm a nurse, I've seen people die while on organ waiting lists. I would do any thing in my power not to be responsible for someone dying who had a chance. Once you are dead, who cares what happens to the remains? If they can do a living person good, they are welcome to them. less
IMO, anyway, my organs rotting in the ground, or being burned up when they could be saving lives is MUCH more unpleasant.
I'm a nurse, I've seen people die while on organ waiting lists. I would do any thing in my power not to be responsible for someone dying who had a chance. Once you are dead, who cares what happens to the remains? If they can do a living person good, they are welcome to them. less
12/29/2010