Are you Offended by the word CHRISTmas?

Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by Squeaky
I grew up in a non-religious family, we called it Christmas. We celebrated it anyway because it's fun. Yay, family and presents!
That's great that you celebrate Christmas and that is a perfect use of the word. It becomes offensive when someone pushes it onto others. Thank you for not pushing your celebratory spirit on others. YAY!!!!
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by K101
Wow! I never even heard of people getting offended by this. I AM a Christian and I would never, under any circumstances stop calling it Christmas just because someone doesn't like it. I call it Christmas because I celebrate it as just that, ... more
Ms. Kendra30752:

You should be proud that you are one of the few who acknoledge Christmas as having a conection to Christianity. I support you and anyone else using the word Christmas. I just want to say (again and again and again), and this certainly does not apply to you, the word Christmas has no meaning to me. The use of the word has meaning and it is offensive to me to be wished a "Merry Christmas". If you want to tell me more about your family and their celebration of Christmas, that is not at all offensive. To expect me, as some responders obviously do, to share in your joy, is offensive.
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by Rossie
I'm not religious now, but I've attended a convent school growing up, and have been to church a lot. I always celebrate Christmas, and have NO problem using the word at all, same goes for including "God" in the Pledge of ... more
Are you also annoyed because in public schools children are marked "absent" for not attending school on some of the holiest days of the Jewish religion yet all public schools are closed for Christmas? This may sound insignificant, but it prevents many children from getting an award for perfect attendance--which to a young child is pretty important these days. Does it bother you that families who adhere to the Jehova's Witness faith are christian but do not celebrate Christmas are not recognized? Most JW families I have known keep their children home when there are going to be "parties" in class--they do not support Christmas, Valentine's Day, Halloween....does it bother you that these children know they are missing a party? It is tough to explain that to a young child. All he/she knows is that the other kids have cake and balloons and they are home, alone, missing their school buddies.

Would it be "...b...s..." if there were absolutely no mention of Christmas and the only celebration was for Hanukkah? If you know any Jewish people, ask them how many Christmas Carols they were forced to learn in public shcools. How many songs for Hanukkah do you know? Do you even know when Hanukkah is and what it commemerates? Didn't think so.

Enjoy Christmas and my sincere good wishes for your right to use the word. But please do be more caring of others. A future with children who learn to disrespect other's faith and traditions that differ from our own will turn into a pretty scary world...or are we there now?
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by toxie m
That's a great post.

As a non-Christian, I'm not exactly offended by the word Christmas, I just adamantly don't celebrate it. People can say wish me whatever they like, but generally speaking I'm just gonna sort of duck and try ... more
Ms. toxie m,

Do you have the impression that Hanukkah is a "...Jewish equivalent..." of Christmas. I am saddened by that thought and hope you take a few minutes to learn about the meaning of Hanukkah (which, although it gets much fanfare, is a fairly insignificant Jewish celebration). It is still a fun celebration.

Samuel Langhorne Clemens, better known as Mark Twain, once said, "First you are oppressed and then you learn to oppress yourself." Pretty deep, huh? You do have the right to choose not to celebrate anything, including my birthday (which is always a great day...) but by not being offended when you are greeted with a "happy whatever" and silently ...quietly hatin'..." you are placing yourself in an oppressed position. Be proud of your feelings/convictions, whatever they may be and please, stop oppressing yourself. It seems that others have done a good job for you.
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by Ansley
Evidently, in this country, you're no longer allowed to celebrate Christmas without also celebrating every other religious observance or at least recognizing it in line with Christmas this time of year.

City Councils have argued over ... more
Ms. Storm,

First, I am happy that I do not wear panties so they are not in a wad (which you'll have to explain that to me, but that is another post). I agree with you--everyone should celebrate their own holidays (or not). Frankly, call it a Christmas tree or a holiday tree--it is still a Christmas tree--what other faith uses a decorated tree as a symbol? Oh, I think that would be NONE.

Defeating the message of the season? BINGO. That shows how egotistical and forceful Christmas is. The message of Christmas, if I understand it, is to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. That is no message to me, but I am fine if that is your message. Just stop assuming and stop trying to make it my message. Are you even interested in what my religious celebrations are? Can you even GUESS when some of my days are? How about Sukkot? Any idea what/when/how? Yup. Thought so.

What would your world be like if you were suddenly surrounded by everything Jewish and hardly anything Christian. I bet you are getting goosebumps just thinking about that one.

A little consideration please. Keep Christmas, but keep me out of it if you will.
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by Ansley
Evidently, in this country, you're no longer allowed to celebrate Christmas without also celebrating every other religious observance or at least recognizing it in line with Christmas this time of year.

City Councils have argued over ... more
PS

Your phrase, "... you're no longer allowed to celebrate Christmas without also celebrating every other religious observance or at least recognizing it in line with Christmas..." screams that you think Christmas is superior to all other religious days. Am I the only one scared by this thinking?
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by EastCoast36
I was raised as a Christian, and the fact that I don't identify myself as one now does not change the fact that it is Christmas.
You are right, EastCoast36. It is Christmas. Well, it is a Merry Christmas for those who celebrate it. For the rest of the world, it is just another day.
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by Ansley
*high five*
Ahhh...Stormy...here you are again. High five--hope you learn something today.
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by MrWishyWashy
Wow..touchy subject. Personally, and by no means I am not trying to offend anyone. You have a choice in what you believe in. I was raised Catholic. And so, what does the word Christmas contain? I'll give you a hint, it's the first five letters.
MrWishyWashy--

Not at all offensive and very true. A Merry Christmas to you, your family and friends.
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by kadytheredpanda
No, I'm not. CHRISTmas is a CHRISTian holiday. If you're offended with the word "Christmas," then by that logic you should be offended by the word "Christian." Just saying.

I'll say "Happy Holidays" ... more
katytheredpanda--

Why say anything if you don't know what to say? Silence is much better than offense. When is the last time you gave a person a greeting for Ramadan--you don't know who celebrates Ramadan any more than you know who celebrates Christmas (assuming they are not an acquaintance of yours).
12/19/2011
Contributor: unfulfilled unfulfilled
When I worked in sales I always said Happy Holidays because you don't know each persons beliefs and my boss for one had Jewish heritage. I say merry christmas a lot to so I suppose it depends on who I'm talking to. Like JR mentioned in his post if I say Happy Holidays, it includes New Years.
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by Eucaly
Considering that Christmas is one of the most secular holidays ever (check out all the non-Christian places where it is big, such as Japan) and it's got far, far more Pagan material than Christian material in it, offended people are either silly ... more
Oh, Eucaly, how you disappoint me. Aren't the people that are "...silly or woefully uneducated..." the people who are taking what should be a meaningful day of faith and creating an excuse to be greedy? If you are a practicing Christian and are content that others have taken a special day and in reality mock it's significance, I suggest a talk with your spiritual leader (minister, pastor, priest...).
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by mizzmilla
It doesn't really matter to me. I usually say happy holidays.
But what holiday and how do you know if they celebrate anything? How about have a nice day if you need a greeting for a stranger?
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by The Curious Couple
I'm not religious, and I don't care what people call it.
But dear The Curious Couple--do you want to be greeted with a Merry Christmas? Isn't that something we should reserve for the observant Christians? Am I the only one urked when any faith allows their holy days to be mocked and not respected?
12/19/2011
Contributor: Princess-Kayla ♥ Princess-Kayla ♥
I'm not a Christian, but I acknowledge that the whole holiday was based on Jesus Christ. Without Christ, there wouldn't be a Christmas. I don't find it offensive at all.

I say Merry Christmas, but I say Happy Holidays too. Just depends. It has nothing to do with anything offending me.
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by Errant Venture
I just want to add ... I wish someone would say 'Happy Kwanza' to me! I don't follow whatever religion says that, but it sounds cool enough, and no one's ever said that to me

Happy Kwanza, everyone!
Here is the deal on Kwanza, according to Wikipedia:

"Kwanzaa is a week long celebration held in the United States honoring universal African-American heritage and culture, observed from December 26 to January 1 each year. It features activities such as lighting a candle holder with seven candles and culminates in a feast and gift giving. It was created by Maulana Karenga and was first celebrated in 1966–1967."

The key point is that it is a created festival celebrating the "African-American" culture and family. It should be respected and enjoyed by those wishing to honor these important values.
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by bayosgirl
Correction: I'm not saying "how dare you not say Merry Christmas". I'm saying "don't tell ME not to say Merry Christmas". People can say whatever they want, believe whatever they want..I just don't want to be told ... more
Exactly. And I am saying, don't say Merry Christmas to me and a host of others who have no affiliation with Christmas.

Period.
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by Chirple
I'm not offended by it, and I don't really care what people say to each other.

When it comes to stores asking employees to say certain things, I think that's their right - it's their privately-owned company and they can direct ... more
YAY!!!! This proves that there are some intelligent folks on EF!!!
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
Quote:
Originally posted by Chirple
I'm not offended by it, and I don't really care what people say to each other.

When it comes to stores asking employees to say certain things, I think that's their right - it's their privately-owned company and they can direct ... more
YAY!!!! This proves that there are some intelligent folks on EF!!!
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by sarahbear
Christmas is on December 25th. It's traditions were not started with Christianity, they were mostly taken from pagan rituals and holidays. It lasts for a single day, plus maybe 6 hours or so if you also do things on Christmas ... more
Reuters news post:

HEADLINES

WHAT???? WHAT???? Sarahbear, are you serious? Call the Pope, call the head of every Christian faith and tell them that although Jesus Christ was (supposedly) born on December 25th that CHRISTmas was not started for that reason. WHAT??? WHAAT????? I am speachless.
12/19/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
...and to the rest of the comments posted, all interesting, some intelligent, some not so much...I really do have a life and it's time to get back to it!!!
12/19/2011
Contributor: toxie m toxie m
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Originally posted by yeoshua
Ms. toxie m,

Do you have the impression that Hanukkah is a "...Jewish equivalent..." of Christmas. I am saddened by that thought and hope you take a few minutes to learn about the meaning of Hanukkah (which, although it gets much ... more
No sir, I meant that I see others as taking Hanukkah to be the Christmas equivalent. That's why I get pissed off that when I say thanks but no thanks to "Merry Christmas" I'm handed a "Happy Hanukkah" instead, as if they're interchangeable and now they've given me the right one. You know?

I know all about Hanukkah, do not fear. I went to Hebrew school and all that In my house we don't do a hell of a lot for Hanukkah (we've got candles going maybe half the nights, we're often not even home) and that makes it feel even more silly for Christians to be wishing me Happy Hanukkah. I mean, thanks, I guess, but I'm barely even celebrating it. It comes back to that "not equivalent" thing.

I'm not sure that it's true that I feel offended, but nor do I really feel oppressed. I don't want to have to get into a long conversation about majority assumptions every time someone wishes me a Merry Christmas (which, I may add, hasn't happened a single time yet this year, despite all the heavy discussions like these going on). I realize that I'm not helping the issue by staying quiet, but I also don't feel like I'm so hardcore about this as to be causing a fuss in the name of those-who-do-not-Chris tmas. I just choose to sit the whole thing out, if possible.
12/19/2011
Contributor: hyacinthgirl hyacinthgirl
I have to admit I still don't see a problem for people who follow other religions or no religion to be wished well. My Jewish friends usually wish me a Happy Easter, and the week before, I wish them a blessed Passover.

At work, I usually just say have a nice day, and if I'm wished well for a certain holiday, I give a big smile and a return of the wishes.
12/19/2011
Contributor: Lily Bee Lily Bee
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Originally posted by Tessa Taboo
For me, the answer to that question can be summed up here. ... more
Love your blog post. Agree!
12/19/2011
Contributor: reknit reknit
Personally I think people need to quit been so butthurt over dumb sh*t. Everything is over analyzed these days. I have known it to be called christmas my entire life, and its advertised that way everywhere, i really don't see how it is offensive.
12/19/2011
Contributor: shySEXXaddict shySEXXaddict
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Originally posted by bayosgirl
I have noticed lately that often, when the word Christmas is used, the speaker will be corrected by someone to use the word "holiday." I don't understand why this is a big deal. Even people who are not Christians celebrate the holiday, ... more
i do have a problem with christmas now being a materialistic holiday and people especially children not knowing why we have christmas in the first place .that bothers the heck outa me! how can you celebrate if you dont no or dont care why your actually celebrating!
12/20/2011
Contributor: Hallmar82 Hallmar82
My family, especially my Grandparents, are guilty of over-gifting on Christmas. Part of that mentality comes from the Depression/WWII survivors who transitioned from having nothing to suddenly being very thankful for having disposable income and gifts to actually buy and give. However, their overcompensation does lead to Materialism in the second and third generations. Materialism is also a big problem with Valentine's Day in my opinion too.

My wife and I have decided to celebrate Christmas (which should be celebrated sometime in the summer or fall like around the Feast of Trumpets) and Epiphany (which is a wholly Christian celebration) with only three gifts as in the traditional gifts given by the Magi. Maybe if our children have only three nice gifts, they will be a little more thankful for their gifts and better understand why we celebrate Christmas at all.
12/20/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by hyacinthgirl
I have to admit I still don't see a problem for people who follow other religions or no religion to be wished well. My Jewish friends usually wish me a Happy Easter, and the week before, I wish them a blessed Passover.

At work, I usually ... more
BUT...would you wish a Jewish person a Merry Christmas? I hope not.
12/23/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by reknit
Personally I think people need to quit been so butthurt over dumb sh*t. Everything is over analyzed these days. I have known it to be called christmas my entire life, and its advertised that way everywhere, i really don't see how it is offensive.
How sad that people's religious convictions are "dumb sh*t" to you. Sad and disrespectful. So you share Ms. Creamiesweet's expressed lack of care about other's feelings?
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    I am personally offended by this
12/23/2011
Contributor: yeoshua yeoshua
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Originally posted by Lily Bee
Love your blog post. Agree!
12/23/2011