With ovaries being the internalized female versions of testicles, I wonder if they'd feel the same as testicles if they were externalized. I've read about studies on drugs that have changed female mouse ovaries into testicles (if anyone knows the article I'm taking about, please link it! I've lost it.), which REALLY intrigues me. Something I really want in the future is real balls! I do NOT want implants, and I'm really curious, even if they didn't function as testicles (producing sperm), would a surgeon be able (or willing) to relocate my ovaries in place of implants? I'd really prefer to get a transplant someday, but unfortunately that means I'll have to wait 10+ years AND be on anti-rejection drugs for the rest of my life. If a surgeon can use parts of my body to "reshape" my parts into something close to biologically male, I'd be more than happy to be a lab rat. I just can't imagine having a scrotum full of silicone testicles, it'd just seem silly to me to have basically a sack of skin with bouncy balls inside. I'd almost rather not have "balls" at all if that was my only option. Do any other FtMs on here feel the same way as I do about having REAL testicles?
Ovaries and testicles...
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Was this, maybe, the article you were thinking of?
05/05/2012
This is the realm of gene therapy and is something that I would not doubt we will eventually see as a possibility - but I would not count on it in my lifetime.
Changing the structure of a post-birth organism is different than breeding and engineering mice to be able to be have certain genes turned on and off.
Gene therapy is still in its generative stages.
I don't think that with technology and capabilities today, relocating ovaries is a good idea. We don't have the therapy to change their genetic structure and it is not a good idea to allow them to remain in the body if testosterone therapy is a long-term.
Eventually, gene therapy would be able to negate the need for testosterone therapy - but it's a gamble to hold out on if it will happen during your lifetime, and would likely to best to have not been on testosterone in order to be the best candidate for the experimental therapy if/when it is pioneered.
Even cis-dudes have testicular implants for various reasons. Cancer is one. This technology was in fact created due to THEM and from that you can be assured that care has been taken to create realism (since the surgeons have to put them in someone who will KNOW the difference - they can't skimp and be all, "o yeah, totally supposed to be like that"). Just moving the ovaries with the technology today would be a health hazard and I can't imagine any surgeon agreeing to it.
While I believe gene therapy will become eventually viable for a whole host of human maladies, I don't think it will be a reality for some time. Perhaps in my lifetime if I was incredibly rich and could afford to pay not only for the therapy, but the development thereof - that's many salaries and material costs over time (perhaps many years) not to mention personal risk up to and including death.
Sorry, not trying to be a downer.
Personally, I would not want a transplant for the same reasons you wouldn't want implants. To me it just seems awkward and foreign and a transitory half-fix between development of technologies. I'd rather use my body and inorganic materials than someone else's body parts. I just don't think I could mentally integrate something like that - but power to you if you have the money and want to take the risk and could.
Changing the structure of a post-birth organism is different than breeding and engineering mice to be able to be have certain genes turned on and off.
Gene therapy is still in its generative stages.
I don't think that with technology and capabilities today, relocating ovaries is a good idea. We don't have the therapy to change their genetic structure and it is not a good idea to allow them to remain in the body if testosterone therapy is a long-term.
Eventually, gene therapy would be able to negate the need for testosterone therapy - but it's a gamble to hold out on if it will happen during your lifetime, and would likely to best to have not been on testosterone in order to be the best candidate for the experimental therapy if/when it is pioneered.
Even cis-dudes have testicular implants for various reasons. Cancer is one. This technology was in fact created due to THEM and from that you can be assured that care has been taken to create realism (since the surgeons have to put them in someone who will KNOW the difference - they can't skimp and be all, "o yeah, totally supposed to be like that"). Just moving the ovaries with the technology today would be a health hazard and I can't imagine any surgeon agreeing to it.
While I believe gene therapy will become eventually viable for a whole host of human maladies, I don't think it will be a reality for some time. Perhaps in my lifetime if I was incredibly rich and could afford to pay not only for the therapy, but the development thereof - that's many salaries and material costs over time (perhaps many years) not to mention personal risk up to and including death.
Sorry, not trying to be a downer.
Personally, I would not want a transplant for the same reasons you wouldn't want implants. To me it just seems awkward and foreign and a transitory half-fix between development of technologies. I'd rather use my body and inorganic materials than someone else's body parts. I just don't think I could mentally integrate something like that - but power to you if you have the money and want to take the risk and could.
05/05/2012
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I think so, it's been a while since I saw it! And ah, my bad, so it's not a drug, but a gene that is turned off (well, I'd assume they turned the gene off via drugs). Super interesting, I really hope this turns into something that can help transfolk in the future!
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DeliciousSurprise
Was this, maybe, the article you were thinking of?
05/05/2012
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Thanks for the info. It's not a downer really, just reality.
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Chirple
This is the realm of gene therapy and is something that I would not doubt we will eventually see as a possibility - but I would not count on it in my lifetime.
Changing the structure of a post-birth organism is different than breeding and ... more
Changing the structure of a post-birth organism is different than breeding and ... more
This is the realm of gene therapy and is something that I would not doubt we will eventually see as a possibility - but I would not count on it in my lifetime.
Changing the structure of a post-birth organism is different than breeding and engineering mice to be able to be have certain genes turned on and off.
Gene therapy is still in its generative stages.
I don't think that with technology and capabilities today, relocating ovaries is a good idea. We don't have the therapy to change their genetic structure and it is not a good idea to allow them to remain in the body if testosterone therapy is a long-term.
Eventually, gene therapy would be able to negate the need for testosterone therapy - but it's a gamble to hold out on if it will happen during your lifetime, and would likely to best to have not been on testosterone in order to be the best candidate for the experimental therapy if/when it is pioneered.
Even cis-dudes have testicular implants for various reasons. Cancer is one. This technology was in fact created due to THEM and from that you can be assured that care has been taken to create realism (since the surgeons have to put them in someone who will KNOW the difference - they can't skimp and be all, "o yeah, totally supposed to be like that"). Just moving the ovaries with the technology today would be a health hazard and I can't imagine any surgeon agreeing to it.
While I believe gene therapy will become eventually viable for a whole host of human maladies, I don't think it will be a reality for some time. Perhaps in my lifetime if I was incredibly rich and could afford to pay not only for the therapy, but the development thereof - that's many salaries and material costs over time (perhaps many years) not to mention personal risk up to and including death.
Sorry, not trying to be a downer.
Personally, I would not want a transplant for the same reasons you wouldn't want implants. To me it just seems awkward and foreign and a transitory half-fix between development of technologies. I'd rather use my body and inorganic materials than someone else's body parts. I just don't think I could mentally integrate something like that - but power to you if you have the money and want to take the risk and could. less
Changing the structure of a post-birth organism is different than breeding and engineering mice to be able to be have certain genes turned on and off.
Gene therapy is still in its generative stages.
I don't think that with technology and capabilities today, relocating ovaries is a good idea. We don't have the therapy to change their genetic structure and it is not a good idea to allow them to remain in the body if testosterone therapy is a long-term.
Eventually, gene therapy would be able to negate the need for testosterone therapy - but it's a gamble to hold out on if it will happen during your lifetime, and would likely to best to have not been on testosterone in order to be the best candidate for the experimental therapy if/when it is pioneered.
Even cis-dudes have testicular implants for various reasons. Cancer is one. This technology was in fact created due to THEM and from that you can be assured that care has been taken to create realism (since the surgeons have to put them in someone who will KNOW the difference - they can't skimp and be all, "o yeah, totally supposed to be like that"). Just moving the ovaries with the technology today would be a health hazard and I can't imagine any surgeon agreeing to it.
While I believe gene therapy will become eventually viable for a whole host of human maladies, I don't think it will be a reality for some time. Perhaps in my lifetime if I was incredibly rich and could afford to pay not only for the therapy, but the development thereof - that's many salaries and material costs over time (perhaps many years) not to mention personal risk up to and including death.
Sorry, not trying to be a downer.
Personally, I would not want a transplant for the same reasons you wouldn't want implants. To me it just seems awkward and foreign and a transitory half-fix between development of technologies. I'd rather use my body and inorganic materials than someone else's body parts. I just don't think I could mentally integrate something like that - but power to you if you have the money and want to take the risk and could. less
I am aware that implants were developed for cis males as well, it's not the athletics at all that bother me, it's the fact that they wouldn't be sensitive. My partner loves ball play and I'm INCREDIBLY jealous that I'll probably never get to feel that sensation. I'd be alright having implants for looks, but I know I'd feel incredibly unsatisfied from not being able to feel them.
And that's completely understandable, I know a lot of people wouldn't like having someone else's parts. Personally I'd feel more ok with that than having inorganic parts, but that's just me.
05/05/2012
I'd love to see transplants become more viable / available for those who would want them. It's still a fairly new area for genitals, but there's so much work to build off I think it has promise.
Parallel, there's also the science of using donor material as a base to grow new organs. Combine this with gene therapy and the future should hold many new options. Sadly, again, not something I expect to see in my lifetime.
When you talk about wanting sensation in conjunction with the above, scientists are currently working on engineered nerve structures for transplant, and nerve transplants from other sites on the patient's body already do occur. Smaller-scale things like engineered basic tissue types should become viable before whole organs do (if they ever do).
Another idea is simply to work with the structure of the clitoral nerves already there (since they extend quite a ways from the external "clitoris"). I wouldn't be surprised if they already do this, but I've never read up on specifics.
Parallel, there's also the science of using donor material as a base to grow new organs. Combine this with gene therapy and the future should hold many new options. Sadly, again, not something I expect to see in my lifetime.
When you talk about wanting sensation in conjunction with the above, scientists are currently working on engineered nerve structures for transplant, and nerve transplants from other sites on the patient's body already do occur. Smaller-scale things like engineered basic tissue types should become viable before whole organs do (if they ever do).
Another idea is simply to work with the structure of the clitoral nerves already there (since they extend quite a ways from the external "clitoris"). I wouldn't be surprised if they already do this, but I've never read up on specifics.
05/05/2012
This is a really cool idea! But not something I would ever think of or want done to myself. D:
05/06/2012
This post is really interesting. The things that some people have to go through is amazing.
05/06/2012
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