People say they want binders on here but others say its not considered a "Sexual" product. I beg to differ.
Binders for trans
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So here it is...
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All of the products I have added are all used for FTMs to feel more comfortable about themselves. Or for a couple wanting to try something new or spice up their sex life. So why is it that you believe that these are "sex" toys but a binder (which is used just like a packer would be) not considered one? I just dont understand why people keep saying its not considered a sex toy because you can use it as one as Ive proven time and time again. What do you think? Explain why. I have more post about this. Read them all. You will understand better.
01/12/2012
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I don't think of the packers or the binders as sex toys, but I think it'd be great to carry them here. We carry plenty of products that are not sex toys, so why not?
01/12/2012
In the recent thread about adding binders, most people felt it would be a good idea - and when people said "they're not a sex toy", they usually kept going to mentioned packers and such and explained how despite not being a "sex toy", they would still fit in.
I wouldn't call a binder a sex toy just like I wouldn't call a pair of Doc Martens a sex toy. Can you use them to create a sexy aesthetic if that's what you like ? Sure. But they're not "sex toys".
I wouldn't call a binder a sex toy just like I wouldn't call a pair of Doc Martens a sex toy. Can you use them to create a sexy aesthetic if that's what you like ? Sure. But they're not "sex toys".
01/12/2012
I'd say that although they aren't sex toys (and they definitely aren't) they do have a place here. If Eden carried them, I'd be one of the first to buy one. I need a binder desperately.
01/12/2012
I wouldn't call them a sex toy either, but EF carries a lot of things that aren't sex toys, so it would be great if they were available here.
01/12/2012
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I dont agree
Originally posted by
Maxx
All of the products I have added are all used for FTMs to feel more comfortable about themselves. Or for a couple wanting to try something new or spice up their sex life. So why is it that you believe that these are "sex" toys but a binder
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All of the products I have added are all used for FTMs to feel more comfortable about themselves. Or for a couple wanting to try something new or spice up their sex life. So why is it that you believe that these are "sex" toys but a binder (which is used just like a packer would be) not considered one? I just dont understand why people keep saying its not considered a sex toy because you can use it as one as Ive proven time and time again. What do you think? Explain why. I have more post about this. Read them all. You will understand better.
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01/12/2012
I don't remember anyone in the other thread disagreeing with binders being carried on Eden. They don't have to be classifiable as sex toys for them to be relevant to this community. Lingerie is one of the main draws EF has for some people (where else can you find in depth reviews of lingerie before you buy it online?) and it's in the same category. Binders are arguably more useful. It seems like plenty of people would be happy to see them here.
01/12/2012
I'd love to see binders here, since I am genderfluid and would like something to be able to flatten my (rather large) breasts more effectively than what my Underworks binder can do.
While I don't agree that it is a "sex toy" or necessarily falls under sexuality, I *do* agree that feeling more comfortable with gender presentation can lend to being more free to enjoy one's self in sexual encounters.
While I don't agree that it is a "sex toy" or necessarily falls under sexuality, I *do* agree that feeling more comfortable with gender presentation can lend to being more free to enjoy one's self in sexual encounters.
01/13/2012
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I'm not sure there's a better brand than Underworks out there. May I ask which model you're using ? The Tri-Top is pretty much the strongest and most effective one on the market, especially for larger chests. I've seen it bind DD, I've seen it bind H. The other companies out there just do not perform to that level.
Originally posted by
Alatariel Surion
I'd love to see binders here, since I am genderfluid and would like something to be able to flatten my (rather large) breasts more effectively than what my Underworks binder can do.
While I don't agree that it is a "sex toy" ... more
While I don't agree that it is a "sex toy" ... more
I'd love to see binders here, since I am genderfluid and would like something to be able to flatten my (rather large) breasts more effectively than what my Underworks binder can do.
While I don't agree that it is a "sex toy" or necessarily falls under sexuality, I *do* agree that feeling more comfortable with gender presentation can lend to being more free to enjoy one's self in sexual encounters. less
While I don't agree that it is a "sex toy" or necessarily falls under sexuality, I *do* agree that feeling more comfortable with gender presentation can lend to being more free to enjoy one's self in sexual encounters. less
Their sizing system is hard for many to decode, though. :/ And a lot of people end up with the wrong size, especially since it has FTM in its own section, not on the main pages.
So unless Eden developed their own binders, I don't think there are necessarily more effective ones out there, though some of the weaker ones are more attractive to look at.
01/13/2012
I don't see how it's any different than packers, or even lingerie for that matter. I think it would be great for EF to have more products like that, not just for the trans community, but just for any couple who is interested in gender play.
01/13/2012
I find EF to be a very trans-friendly place, but for some reason their lack of stock of MTF items and binders continues. This could be a concern for money spent/recouped, or they could be having a hard time coming to the right negotiations with vendors. I don't know, I don't work here, I just work here! (I just run a club, and am on the Social Media team... I don't actually work here)
I would recommend just contacting customer service and asking about it. They're usually pretty helpful and considerate.
But while they're not toys in the strictest of terms, I think that binders definitely have a place in the Gender Play section in EF's store.
I would recommend just contacting customer service and asking about it. They're usually pretty helpful and considerate.
But while they're not toys in the strictest of terms, I think that binders definitely have a place in the Gender Play section in EF's store.
01/13/2012
My opinion is that they are sexual products, as you described them in your poll introduction, but no sex "toys". To me, a toy is something that enhances or replaces the act of foreplay or intercourse.
01/15/2012
Yes, EF should carry binders. Considering they're already carrying packers, packing straps, and harnesses this wouldn't be a huge leap for their product choices and would expand their customer base. In the same light I also feel that they should be carrying feminist and trans* pornography as well.
01/16/2012
With the packers, packing straps, softees and other things that EF carries, binders would definitely have a place here. I don't think of them as sex toys, necessarily, but EF carries plenty of things that aren't specifically sex toys. Lingerie, candles, massage products, bath products, and other things.
02/13/2012
I definitely believe EF should carry binders if they choose to carry things like bras, panties, underwear, and lingerie, because to an FtM, a binder IS underwear. This isn't a 100% sex TOY store, it's a sex store, including accessories, bath stuff, lingerie/underwear, things that are RELATED to sex. They also carry soft packers and harnesses, I don't see why they'd carry packers but refuse to carry binders, I think they just need a large enough demand to carry them.
02/13/2012
Even though these are not sex toys, they are Sexual products, and as such edenfantasys SHOULD carry them. After all, they carry ice cube trays shaped like penises, and those aren't sex toys either so it would be rediculous to exclude binders, which at the very least would be worn by a great many transfolk during sex (I do) just like the thongs etc on here are sometimes worn during sex by some, I see no logical reason this would be excluded
02/14/2012
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Underworks are the leading manufacturer of binders. You probably got too big of a size. You generally need something one size smaller than what you think you'll need. They also stretch out with time. You should replace your binder after six months of daily wear.
Originally posted by
Alatariel Surion
I'd love to see binders here, since I am genderfluid and would like something to be able to flatten my (rather large) breasts more effectively than what my Underworks binder can do.
While I don't agree that it is a "sex toy" ... more
While I don't agree that it is a "sex toy" ... more
I'd love to see binders here, since I am genderfluid and would like something to be able to flatten my (rather large) breasts more effectively than what my Underworks binder can do.
While I don't agree that it is a "sex toy" or necessarily falls under sexuality, I *do* agree that feeling more comfortable with gender presentation can lend to being more free to enjoy one's self in sexual encounters. less
While I don't agree that it is a "sex toy" or necessarily falls under sexuality, I *do* agree that feeling more comfortable with gender presentation can lend to being more free to enjoy one's self in sexual encounters. less
02/15/2012
i don't consider them sex toys, but it would be nice if they sold them on here. i mean, they do have underwear and stuff, why not binders?
02/15/2012
Aren't binders something you wear? How on earth could that be used as a sex toy? Hmmm.... That's not to say that I would be opposed to EF carrying them. Sure, why not. It seems a lot of people would find them to be a nice thing to have so I don't see why not carry them. I probably wouldn't need one, but others may. However, when I think sex toy, I think dildo, vibrator, anal toy, etc. I think binder would be more close to lingerie or underwear and stuff. Can they really be used AS A SEX TOY? I mean, lingerie is used during sex, but not as a sex aid or device or what not.
02/15/2012
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Well, some trans guys have sex with them on since they are dysphoric about their chests so in a way they can be a sexual aid. Not a toy, but an aid.
Originally posted by
K101
Aren't binders something you wear? How on earth could that be used as a sex toy? Hmmm.... That's not to say that I would be opposed to EF carrying them. Sure, why not. It seems a lot of people would find them to be a nice thing to have so I
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Aren't binders something you wear? How on earth could that be used as a sex toy? Hmmm.... That's not to say that I would be opposed to EF carrying them. Sure, why not. It seems a lot of people would find them to be a nice thing to have so I don't see why not carry them. I probably wouldn't need one, but others may. However, when I think sex toy, I think dildo, vibrator, anal toy, etc. I think binder would be more close to lingerie or underwear and stuff. Can they really be used AS A SEX TOY? I mean, lingerie is used during sex, but not as a sex aid or device or what not.
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02/15/2012
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They can be used for gender play which is role playing which is a sexual stimulant.
Originally posted by
K101
Aren't binders something you wear? How on earth could that be used as a sex toy? Hmmm.... That's not to say that I would be opposed to EF carrying them. Sure, why not. It seems a lot of people would find them to be a nice thing to have so I
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Aren't binders something you wear? How on earth could that be used as a sex toy? Hmmm.... That's not to say that I would be opposed to EF carrying them. Sure, why not. It seems a lot of people would find them to be a nice thing to have so I don't see why not carry them. I probably wouldn't need one, but others may. However, when I think sex toy, I think dildo, vibrator, anal toy, etc. I think binder would be more close to lingerie or underwear and stuff. Can they really be used AS A SEX TOY? I mean, lingerie is used during sex, but not as a sex aid or device or what not.
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02/15/2012
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It's not a sex "toy" any more than a bra is a sex toy. However I do agree with others in that they are an aid, just as sexy lingerie is.
Originally posted by
K101
Aren't binders something you wear? How on earth could that be used as a sex toy? Hmmm.... That's not to say that I would be opposed to EF carrying them. Sure, why not. It seems a lot of people would find them to be a nice thing to have so I
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Aren't binders something you wear? How on earth could that be used as a sex toy? Hmmm.... That's not to say that I would be opposed to EF carrying them. Sure, why not. It seems a lot of people would find them to be a nice thing to have so I don't see why not carry them. I probably wouldn't need one, but others may. However, when I think sex toy, I think dildo, vibrator, anal toy, etc. I think binder would be more close to lingerie or underwear and stuff. Can they really be used AS A SEX TOY? I mean, lingerie is used during sex, but not as a sex aid or device or what not.
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02/15/2012
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I listed other because while I believe mine makes me a lot more confident (which is a very sexual thing), I would have difficulty wearing mine during sex itself (breathing issues).
Originally posted by
Maxx
All of the products I have added are all used for FTMs to feel more comfortable about themselves. Or for a couple wanting to try something new or spice up their sex life. So why is it that you believe that these are "sex" toys but a binder
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All of the products I have added are all used for FTMs to feel more comfortable about themselves. Or for a couple wanting to try something new or spice up their sex life. So why is it that you believe that these are "sex" toys but a binder (which is used just like a packer would be) not considered one? I just dont understand why people keep saying its not considered a sex toy because you can use it as one as Ive proven time and time again. What do you think? Explain why. I have more post about this. Read them all. You will understand better.
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However, I think that they're good for 'gender play' and therefore can count as a sex toy.
03/02/2012
I don't really agree that a binder is a "sexual" item (though it can be) but neither is body butter and lip gloss but EF sells those. Just because it's not necessarily "sexual", that doesn't mean it shouldn't be sold here. EF is very friendly to people of all walks of life and since they have packers, they should have binders, too. I know that there would be tons of people in the market for them if they sold them and hopefully, they one day will.
03/02/2012
Before surgery I would bind during sex...so I guess it's sexual in that sense. But I agree, binders are as sex related as packers...and if they carry packers they should carry binders.
03/12/2012
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Mhmm.
Originally posted by
kittychilla
i don't consider them sex toys, but it would be nice if they sold them on here. i mean, they do have underwear and stuff, why not binders?
03/13/2012
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AGREED
Originally posted by
gone77
I don't think of the packers or the binders as sex toys, but I think it'd be great to carry them here. We carry plenty of products that are not sex toys, so why not?
03/13/2012
They're not a sex toy, but I definitely agree that they should carry them here. There are many things on the site that are not sex toys.
03/13/2012
I agree. Packer's aren't really a sex toy. But at the same time some FTMs can't have intimate relations without binding!
03/13/2012
They're not necessarily a sex toy, but then neither are the pants, dresses, or shirts offered on this site. Sexy? Maybe. But binders also contribute to sexiness.
I have no doubt if they stocked good, well priced binders, they would sell easily.
I have no doubt if they stocked good, well priced binders, they would sell easily.
03/14/2012
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i think EF should carry it for sure. and it's no less sexual than the bath/body products, makeup or dresses on here.
Originally posted by
Maxx
All of the products I have added are all used for FTMs to feel more comfortable about themselves. Or for a couple wanting to try something new or spice up their sex life. So why is it that you believe that these are "sex" toys but a binder
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All of the products I have added are all used for FTMs to feel more comfortable about themselves. Or for a couple wanting to try something new or spice up their sex life. So why is it that you believe that these are "sex" toys but a binder (which is used just like a packer would be) not considered one? I just dont understand why people keep saying its not considered a sex toy because you can use it as one as Ive proven time and time again. What do you think? Explain why. I have more post about this. Read them all. You will understand better.
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what a silly argument. EF really needs to carry more stuff like this. i've been advocating for it for a while.
03/14/2012
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also, i didnt' vote, because it wasn't clear whether i was voting yes i think it's a sex toy or no i don't think it's a sex toy...
Originally posted by
Maxx
All of the products I have added are all used for FTMs to feel more comfortable about themselves. Or for a couple wanting to try something new or spice up their sex life. So why is it that you believe that these are "sex" toys but a binder
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more
All of the products I have added are all used for FTMs to feel more comfortable about themselves. Or for a couple wanting to try something new or spice up their sex life. So why is it that you believe that these are "sex" toys but a binder (which is used just like a packer would be) not considered one? I just dont understand why people keep saying its not considered a sex toy because you can use it as one as Ive proven time and time again. What do you think? Explain why. I have more post about this. Read them all. You will understand better.
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or yes i think EF should carry them or no i don't.
03/14/2012
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like the others, while binders and packers may not always be considered sex toys, I definitely think EF should carry them
Originally posted by
Maxx
All of the products I have added are all used for FTMs to feel more comfortable about themselves. Or for a couple wanting to try something new or spice up their sex life. So why is it that you believe that these are "sex" toys but a binder
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more
All of the products I have added are all used for FTMs to feel more comfortable about themselves. Or for a couple wanting to try something new or spice up their sex life. So why is it that you believe that these are "sex" toys but a binder (which is used just like a packer would be) not considered one? I just dont understand why people keep saying its not considered a sex toy because you can use it as one as Ive proven time and time again. What do you think? Explain why. I have more post about this. Read them all. You will understand better.
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03/15/2012
I mean, I don't think that it necessarily has to be a sex toy to be here. But I think that the fact that they even have a transgender section is AMAZING and a really good niche market, so they could certainly make a lot of money on it. Binders are kind of hard to come by, especially if you're low on cash. They have packers too, so why not?
Also, are there any products for MTFs? I'm not but my cousin is and I know she's always looking for new gadgets. I haven't seen any around somehow.
Also, are there any products for MTFs? I'm not but my cousin is and I know she's always looking for new gadgets. I haven't seen any around somehow.
03/15/2012
I think ED should totally stock binders! Yeah they're not a sex toy, but its something so many people on here want and maybe even need.
EdenFantasys GET BINDERS!
EdenFantasys GET BINDERS!
04/11/2012
I don't think they are a sex toy, but I don't think a sexy maid outfit is either. They sell all sorts of underwear here, and a binder is just a type of underwear. That is my reasoning.
04/11/2012
I've come across many-a-non-sex toy items on EF so I don't understand the "but it's not a sex toy!" argument. I find EF should absolutely start carrying binders.
04/11/2012
i agree with the others. i don't consider binders sex toys. but they are used in gender play as well as by ftms, and that's no different than packers. i would love to be able to use the points system to pay off some of my binder costs. so yeah, EF should definitely carry them.
04/11/2012
I definitely don't think that binders are "sex toys," but there are quite a few products on EF that also do not quite fit in that category. I think they are definitely a product related to sexuality and I would be one of the first to purchase one if they were offered on this website.
04/15/2012
It would definitely be a great help to a lot of people (with the points program) if they could get a few dollars off of their binders. Plus you could order a packer and binder at the same time.
04/19/2012
It relates to sexual identity. Definitely a sexual product.
04/19/2012
it'd be great if binders were stocked
04/22/2012
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They've already got a gender play category...why not?
Originally posted by
Maxx
All of the products I have added are all used for FTMs to feel more comfortable about themselves. Or for a couple wanting to try something new or spice up their sex life. So why is it that you believe that these are "sex" toys but a binder
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more
All of the products I have added are all used for FTMs to feel more comfortable about themselves. Or for a couple wanting to try something new or spice up their sex life. So why is it that you believe that these are "sex" toys but a binder (which is used just like a packer would be) not considered one? I just dont understand why people keep saying its not considered a sex toy because you can use it as one as Ive proven time and time again. What do you think? Explain why. I have more post about this. Read them all. You will understand better.
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04/22/2012
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I totally agree. I hope they stock the ones by loveboat.
Originally posted by
alex2371
it'd be great if binders were stocked
06/03/2012
To me binders and packers are not sex toys. They just are. But some cis folk use them for gender play. I have a cisfemale friend whose pansexual boyfriend thinks that it is hot for her to occasionally pack. For them, binders and packers are sexy. So maybe they become sex toys?
06/03/2012
I'd love if they carried binders, partly just because they'd be I guess a more trustable-seeming source to buy shit on, more trustable than the underworks site that looks like a 13 year old coded, or any of those places in taiwan which questionable english...
06/03/2012
the way I see it, a binder can be viewed as erotic clothing, same as the thongs and corsets they already sell
I'd love to see my girl all dolled up in a matching set, just like she loves to see me confident with a flat chest
win-win
I'd love to see my girl all dolled up in a matching set, just like she loves to see me confident with a flat chest
win-win
06/05/2012
I put up a poll asking people if they'd like EF to carry binders and contacted them about it. They said they have carried them in the past but they weren't a big seller. it is something they told me they are going to discuss soon.
If you want EF to carry binders, contact them and let them know! The more people that do the more chance they will start to stock them. Especially if you recommend certain brands. I'd love to be able to get Underworks through EF.
If you want EF to carry binders, contact them and let them know! The more people that do the more chance they will start to stock them. Especially if you recommend certain brands. I'd love to be able to get Underworks through EF.
06/06/2012
They should be considered sex toys and sold on here. In day-to-day life I don't consider either a sex toy because I need them to pass as male not for sex. However, packers and binders can both be used as sex toys. Maybe somebody fantasizes about another person wearing a binder. Then it could be considered a sex toy. Just like packers.
07/10/2012
I don't consider them sex toys, but I do hope they start offering binders on here. I'd love to be able to use EdenPoints to get my friend one, because they are normally expensive.
07/10/2012
I think that if they have lingerie on here which makes more feminine identified people feel good about their bodies then packers and binders can do the same thing for more masculine identified people. I know that wearing a binder has made me feel hot, just like wearing sexy underwear has for my partners.
07/11/2012
there would be nothing wrong with EF carrying binders, and i imagine they'd sell fairly well, but binders are not a "sexual product" any more than a bra or an undershirt is. neither is a packer.
07/19/2012
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I agree with you.
Originally posted by
gone77
I don't think of the packers or the binders as sex toys, but I think it'd be great to carry them here. We carry plenty of products that are not sex toys, so why not?
07/23/2012
I'd love for EF to carry binders, etc., as well as some books related to trans* issues that aren't just erotica or whatever. This is a nice, open place, and I'd like for it to be a place where people can easily access information.
Honestly, why the hell not? Y'all carry t-shirts. Why not binders?
Honestly, why the hell not? Y'all carry t-shirts. Why not binders?
07/23/2012
I think they do fall under the category of sex toys if packers do.
07/25/2012
It should definitely be available on here.
10/03/2012
EF should carry binders
10/07/2012
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They really should.
Originally posted by
adam71
EF should carry binders
10/07/2012
I definitely think binders have a place here.
10/09/2012
sure binders come in handy during sex of course they do. but the website shouldnt be obligated to sell them. its not like we cant buy them elsewhere.
10/17/2012
I just hope we get Binders here on EF (again).
01/27/2013
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My thoughts exactly
Originally posted by
Eliza
I don't see how it's any different than packers, or even lingerie for that matter. I think it would be great for EF to have more products like that, not just for the trans community, but just for any couple who is interested in gender play.
10/18/2014
I think binders are as much of a 'sex toy' as a lot of the other products they carry. Overall I think it would be great if they carried them, but I'll admit I'd be worried about whether or not they make sure to carry ones of decent quality, for the sake of peoples' health. A bad binder does not make for a good time.
Then again, if they are good quality they probably wouldn't be all that affordable, meaning you could shop anywhere for one
Then again, if they are good quality they probably wouldn't be all that affordable, meaning you could shop anywhere for one
10/26/2014
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