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That's a bit like saying, "It's not rape-rape." "Making someone feel bad" so that they'll have sex with you is coercion and is not consent.
I do understand what you're trying to say, though. There
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That's a bit like saying, "It's not rape-rape." "Making someone feel bad" so that they'll have sex with you is coercion and is not consent.
I do understand what you're trying to say, though. There are give and takes in relationships, but you should always be doing things because you want to. Blowjobs aren't my favorite activity, but I WANT to give them because I like giving my partner that kind of pleasure. But if I don't want to have sex at a particular time, I don't want to and I don't think I owe anyone anything.
I also agree with Jessica. If my boyfriend told me he only had sex with me out of obligation and didn't really want to, I would feel pretty shitty.
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Thank you for your response, but I have to take exception with one of your comments.
There are give and takes in relationships, but you should always be doing things because you want to. Well, a LOT of life is "doing things you don't really want to do." Everything from going to work, washing dishes, cleaning the toilet, taking care of children 24/7, changing diapers, nursing with sore nipples, taking care of sick children or sick spouse, running errands for family members who can't do it, or when you have more time than they do, living with other people
requires often doing things for other reasons that "only because you want to."
I've been in a relationship for 20+ years, have children and aging parents. I can't imagine simply saying to these people, "No, I'm not going to do that for you. It isn't something I really
want to do."
Relationships with other people, in order to thrive REQUIRE often being
selfless. I doubt I would still be married or would have been able to handle my kids if I only did thing "because I wanted to."
I have to disagree with your statement "
I don't think I owe anyone anything."
In my life
I DO think I owe a LOT of people a LOT of things. It's part of being a social person and a kind, caring person. I owe My Man, my parents, my friends, my children, people I run into at the store, etc. Being part of Society is give and take and DOING for others. Realizing that makes for better and long lasting relationships.
There's more to life than just pleasing oneself. Of course people who whine when they are told "no" to sex once in a while are a pain in the ass, but I know both My Man and I will often give the other sex, even if not totally "in the mood" because we know it's what the other person NEEDS! (In fact, My Man gave me this kind of sex last night. I really needed it, and he wasn't totally in the mood. Yet he
insisted that he be allowed to please me, because he knew I needed it. I wasn't whining and I didn't even ask for it, he just KNEW. That's LOVE.
It goes both ways with us.
And, it's not just sex. A lot of the time, My Man "doesn't want" to go to work. Yet, he has a family to support, so he goes, even if he "doesn't feel like it." It's responsibility and service to other people that makes life worth living, IMO. Anyone who likes is free to disagree, though.
Mileage.