Silicone feeling up other silicone

Contributor: Red Red
Quote:
Originally posted by PurpleReign
From Victoria's review of one of the Nexus g/p spot toys:

"You should also be sure not to store it next to or touching other silicone toys. Remember, silicone breaks down silicone."

So...I really think we're going to ... more
I have been conducting a silicone melding experiment, informally, for probably seven years, cause I never worried about it and always let my silicone toys live together in harmony (which is just reinforcing what Metis said, obvs). I have opted to keep my two vix skin toys in bags, cause they just feel more...vulnerable. Plus they get so much hair on them...

Anyways, I'll pose this question to the crowd - do rocks melt into one another? How about hard plastics... That's tongue in cheek, and not exactly the same, of course, but...don't over think silicone, you know? It's not like a cryptic substance that plays by crazy rules.

I *think* the silicone melting fear stems from the word "silicone" being used instead of more specific terms, like "silicone oils" and "silicone polymer". But hey, I'm always open to corrections to my thinking!
08/10/2009
Contributor: Red Red
Quote:
Originally posted by Metis Black
Thanks. In usual storage you shouldn't get dents. Pressed up against other toys shouldn't hurt it unless you have lots of pressure on them and a perforated hard surface...

I love quart sized zip locks for my toys when traveling. ... more
I love the lines you get in the forums here:

"Sandwich sized only allows a lone butt plug."

hehehehehe
08/10/2009
Contributor: PurpleReign PurpleReign
Quote:
Originally posted by Red
I love the lines you get in the forums here:

"Sandwich sized only allows a lone butt plug."

hehehehehe
Made me laugh to Red!

And thanks for steppin' up. Didn't make sense, given the inert state, but, hey, if Victoria put it up, it's definitely on the table for thoughtful discussion.

And thanks to Carrie Ann for reaching out to Metis, for the info and that little day brightener above!
08/10/2009
Contributor: PurpleReign PurpleReign
'Made me laugh to Red! '

TOO, that should be, not TO.
08/10/2009
Contributor: Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
Quote:
Originally posted by Metis Black
Thanks. In usual storage you shouldn't get dents. Pressed up against other toys shouldn't hurt it unless you have lots of pressure on them and a perforated hard surface...

I love quart sized zip locks for my toys when traveling. ... more
Excellent, I appreciate the info
08/11/2009
Contributor: Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
Quote:
Originally posted by Red
I love the lines you get in the forums here:

"Sandwich sized only allows a lone butt plug."

hehehehehe
Yeah that one got me laughing pretty good too!
08/11/2009
Contributor: Metis Black Metis Black
Quote:
Originally posted by Red
I have been conducting a silicone melding experiment, informally, for probably seven years, cause I never worried about it and always let my silicone toys live together in harmony (which is just reinforcing what Metis said, obvs). I have opted to ... more
The question would really be "does sand melt together"; silicone polymer is a process of refining sand "silica". The thing about silicone that makes it unique, and I'm no chemist, is that there no loose electrons trying to bond with whatever it can. That is rare with a polymer. It's why the toy is inert and doesn't play with your body chemistry unlike other materials (I've had reactions even from Smart Balls where I started to make a muccous that was thick, white and bitter).

When your thinking of silicone the closest thing to it, atleast in toys, is glass. Glass does melt- but you need a kiln!
08/11/2009
Contributor: Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
I'm bumping this because I've seen a couple reviews already today that reinforce the "oh noes, silicone cannot touch!" theory and I'm thinking we should probably stop saying that in reviews.

At least as part of the materials/safety info, since there's no real evidence that it's true. We could certainly still give the advice as part of our personal opinion but I'm not sure we can any longer consider it accurate or factual in the actual review.
08/11/2009
Contributor: Not Here Anymore f/k/a Happy Lady Not Here Anymore f/k/a Happy Lady
Quote:
Originally posted by Carrie Ann
I'm bumping this because I've seen a couple reviews already today that reinforce the "oh noes, silicone cannot touch!" theory and I'm thinking we should probably stop saying that in reviews.

At least as part of the ... more
Maybe we can say something like "Although 100% silicone toys should be able to be safely stored together, be very careful when storing silicone near anything OTHER than silicone" ??
08/11/2009
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
Quote:
Originally posted by Carrie Ann
I'm bumping this because I've seen a couple reviews already today that reinforce the "oh noes, silicone cannot touch!" theory and I'm thinking we should probably stop saying that in reviews.

At least as part of the ... more
I generally subscribe to the school of thought that.. it doesn't hurt to be careful with any soft toy. I've heard of other "medical grade" silicone toys melting (not Tantus) so.. better safe than sorry, I guess?
08/11/2009
Contributor: Metis Black Metis Black
Quote:
Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
I generally subscribe to the school of thought that.. it doesn't hurt to be careful with any soft toy. I've heard of other "medical grade" silicone toys melting (not Tantus) so.. better safe than sorry, I guess?
I'd love to know who's "medical grade silicone" was melting. That's impossible without going up to 600 degrees.

Now if you leave a boiling pot full of dildos on a stove until the water boils out, the element can get hotter than 600 degrees F and the dildos look petrified.

I think the facts have been so elusive. The "silicone" that is melting is probably a TPE or a TPR. They have ZERO silicone in them.
08/11/2009
Contributor: Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
Quote:
Originally posted by Metis Black
I'd love to know who's "medical grade silicone" was melting. That's impossible without going up to 600 degrees.

Now if you leave a boiling pot full of dildos on a stove until the water boils out, the element can get ... more
I'm curious, too.

I store toys from LELO, Tantus, Fun Factory, Jollies, Cal Exotic (couture collection) and Topco (climax silicone) all in the same bags without problems.

I've also done the fire test on all of them, though, so I know they're actually silicone.

I'd love to know which toys are actually doing the melting and denting and other odd things -- mostly so I can avoid them or store them differently if I happened to get one.
08/11/2009
Contributor: Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
Quote:
Originally posted by Carrie Ann
I'm curious, too.

I store toys from LELO, Tantus, Fun Factory, Jollies, Cal Exotic (couture collection) and Topco (climax silicone) all in the same bags without problems.

I've also done the fire test on all of them, though, so I ... more
What's the "fire test"?
08/11/2009
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
Quote:
Originally posted by Metis Black
I'd love to know who's "medical grade silicone" was melting. That's impossible without going up to 600 degrees.

Now if you leave a boiling pot full of dildos on a stove until the water boils out, the element can get ... more
It was the Rock Chick.
08/11/2009
Contributor: ScottA ScottA
Quote:
Originally posted by Alan & Michele
What's the "fire test"?
Metis talks about it in her interview. 100% silicone won't sustain a flame, so if you hold a match to it it will depolymerize/decompose into SiO2 just where the flame touches it, but once the flame is removed it stops. Non-silicone or "silicone blend" toys will evidently do some exciting things, though.
08/12/2009
Contributor: Metis Black Metis Black
Quote:
Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
It was the Rock Chick.
That totally surprises me. In fact I'm pretty sure that it would surprise Leslie too.

That's one of the reasons I'm scared of having someone else do our manufacturing- quality control is everything.
08/12/2009
Contributor: Metis Black Metis Black
Quote:
Originally posted by ScottA
Metis talks about it in her interview. 100% silicone won't sustain a flame, so if you hold a match to it it will depolymerize/decompose into SiO2 just where the flame touches it, but once the flame is removed it stops. Non-silicone or ... more
In Australia this year we actually had two "silicone" toys- clearly labeled- that we did the flame test to in front of hundreds of store buyers- the toys instantly flamed up and took the hair off Mikes hand. Luckily there was a big bowl of water right there to douse them with.
08/12/2009
Contributor: spicywife spicywife
Quote:
Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
It was the Rock Chick.
Do you have any more information on that? What caused it to melt, storing it with another silicone toy or?
08/12/2009
Contributor: Victoria Victoria
Quote:
Originally posted by Metis Black
In Australia this year we actually had two "silicone" toys- clearly labeled- that we did the flame test to in front of hundreds of store buyers- the toys instantly flamed up and took the hair off Mikes hand. Luckily there was a big bowl of ... more
Whoa - he burnt the hair off of his hands? I didn't know that part of the story!
08/12/2009
Contributor: Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
Quote:
Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
It was the Rock Chick.
Wow. I'm really surprised. I wonder if it was a bad batch or something or if it was up against something that caused it to have a reaction or touched silicone lube or...?

Damn. Oodles of questions. I R Nosey.
08/12/2009
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
I'll have to find where I read this guys..
08/12/2009
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
Damn. I can't find it. It may have been a review on a blog, actually but it's been a while.
08/12/2009
Contributor: Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
Quote:
Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
Damn. I can't find it. It may have been a review on a blog, actually but it's been a while.
I Googled for it and came up with Rock Chick's review listing here on Eden Fantasys:

link

Someone down towards the bottom said it as an anonymous statement.
08/12/2009
Contributor: Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
Quote:
Originally posted by Alan & Michele
I Googled for it and came up with Rock Chick's review listing here on Eden Fantasys:

link

Someone down towards the bottom said it as an anonymous statement.
I'm not entirely sure I trust those one sentence, anonymous reviews. There are quite a few rock chick knock offs out there...
08/12/2009
Contributor: Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
Quote:
Originally posted by Carrie Ann
I'm not entirely sure I trust those one sentence, anonymous reviews. There are quite a few rock chick knock offs out there...
That's what I was thinking too.
08/12/2009
Contributor: ToyGeek ToyGeek
So I read this thread, and started to get excited about the prospect of letting my silicone toys loose from their bags, since they'd take up less room that way, but then again, the air in my house is eighteen percent cat hair, so wouldn't that mean that I'd have to wash every single toy in my case every time I opened the case?

It's not like I'm keeping my steel and glass toys in separator bags because I fear they'll melt each other. Anyway, I have some TPR toys and hard plastic toys and one jelly toy, so I'm going to continue to just keep every single thing in its own bag, but I'll stop spreading silicone-to-silicone fear in my reviews.
09/19/2009
Contributor: Darling Dove Darling Dove
I keep my toys in bags because they are easier to clean that way. Dont have to worry about them picking up lint or dog hair since we have three dogs, and I dont have to worry about them touching non silicone toys or anything like that.
09/19/2009
Contributor: Darling Dove Darling Dove
As far as melting, it usually only happens with other soft things or silicone mixes, but can happen if the silicone isn't quite up to par as well. heavily slackened(softened) silicone is somewhat unstable.
09/19/2009
Contributor: ToyGeek ToyGeek
Quote:
Originally posted by Darling Dove
As far as melting, it usually only happens with other soft things or silicone mixes, but can happen if the silicone isn't quite up to par as well. heavily slackened(softened) silicone is somewhat unstable.
Yeah, I have high quality silicone stuff, but I also have two giant TPR rabbits, so I'm sticking with better safe than sorry. Besides, there is the cleaning factor, as we've both said. And things can get scratched. Melting isn't the only concern at all.
09/19/2009
Contributor: Darling Dove Darling Dove
Quote:
Originally posted by ToyGeek
Yeah, I have high quality silicone stuff, but I also have two giant TPR rabbits, so I'm sticking with better safe than sorry. Besides, there is the cleaning factor, as we've both said. And things can get scratched. Melting isn't the ... more
True, I've had my VC toys get scratched and peel a bit- makes me feel terrible cause silicone is soooo expensive, but nothing big enough to write home about. I just think you should really be better safe than sorry. If I ever did have a $60 piece of silicone melt onto a $30 jelly toy I'd be kicking myself all the way to the trash can.
09/19/2009