The Don Wands issue aside (which is totally gross btw):

I would really like to know which glass dildos available on EF are hollow and which are not. I realize I could write to each manufacturer, but I think this should be included in the product specs. less

The Don Wands issue aside (which is totally gross btw):

I would really like to know which glass dildos available on EF are hollow and which are not. I realize I could write to each manufacturer, but I think this should be included in the product specs. less

Adam from Xhale said here: link that some of their products are hollow as well, and explained why some hollow glass is bad and some isn't - still going on to say "most hollow pieces should be a major concern."

To me, this is similar to the "Silicone" claims by manufacturers when there is actually only a small percentage of silicone in the product. Eden takes the steps to let us know which products are actually 100% silicone and which are otherwise.

My request is the same type of information on solid vs. hollow glass. I don't really know if that is possible or even what information should be offered, but I don't think I'm going to buy any more glass until I know exactly which manufacturers produce hollow glass and which don't. less

Maybe they could list a thickness of the walls, and have thickness ranges as part of the safety ranking (maybe 9.1 for the thinnest that's still safe, 9.5 for medium thickness, up through 10 for so-thick-it's-uber-saf e and for solid glass).

As Adam from Xhale said, even a "cheap" hollow glass toy is pretty safe, because your body can't produce enough pressure to break it. He may have said "a major concern," but he later said that there's probably nothing to worry about. It may someday break, but it won't be in your body. It will be, for example, when it rolls off the counter and falls onto the tile floor, or when it slips out of your hand during washing and chips on the porcelain sink.

A little perspective here: while a thinner walled glass toy isn't as shatterproof as a thick-walled one, it's still much safer than a rubber toy or a TPR toy. A rubber toy can harbor bacteria and give you infections while you use it. A "thinnest safe" glass toy may break or chip when it's not being used, but it won't break inside you or cut you as long as you always check for chips and cracks before every use.

(If any of the above isn't true, please correct me.) less

I'm not fussed so much about hollowness (although if the glass were THIN and hollow, that'd be a problem), but I do worry about leaving holes open. It's like asking to have bacteria gather in your toy, or to have the edge of the hole possibly cut you. less

Wow, I had no idea that some of the Phallix toys were hollow. I just ordered Kira's violet sidekick and now I'm nervous I understand that hollow toys can be safe, too, but if I ding mine and miss the ding, and the ding begins to fracture...I don't know. Too many possible ways I could fuck it up. I need my toys to be idiot proof less

Hello all. I contacted the Eden Product Manager - and here's the plan: We will contact each glass manufacturer and ask for a list of all of the hollow dildos they make and for measurements of their thickness. When (and if) we get this information back from the manufacturers, we will post this info on our site. less

Solid toys can fracture as much as hollow ones can. The only difference with hollow ones, I believe, is that for Don Wands at least, they did not recommend freezing them- I don't know if extreme temperatures either way are okay for hollow toys due to the air within them. less

I have been in correspondence with a DonWands staff member and was informed that the deluxe/lattachino style toys are done 'inside out', which means the toy is hollow. I was also informed they have a hole in them, which is not plugged.

From other reviewers and video evidence as well as forum discussion, I have discovered that yes, some other companies have hollow toys but after a certain thickness this is okay- it becomes just as durable. However in the DonWands toy I saw footage of the toy was very thin, and the hole had been plugged, but the plug was removed when discovered- the hole was also large enough for the toy to easily take on water, but the water became trapped in the toy and was not able to be removed.

At this point, after confirming yes the toys are hollow and yes they have holes, the DonWands rep stopped responding to me. If this is true, can you please start informing purchasers of this? There are many reasons why this would interfere with someone's purchasing decision.

If this is not true, please confront representative "Mike S." since he was the one who confirmed this for me.

I looked on your website and nowhere does it say the toys are hollow or have holes. So please if this is true, admit it so that you can sell your toys as what they actually are, and so people are not misled. less

As a representative of Don Wands, I would like to introduce myself to the Eden Fantasy community. I am the Mike S. that Darling Dove referred to in the first post on this thread. I would first like to apologize, and say that I was mistaken when I initially said the hole was not plugged in the lattachino pieces that we carry. I checked with our quality control department this morning, and realized I was terribly mistaken in my former correspondence to Darling Dove, and that all our lattachino pieces are plugged. The leaking Don Wands piece that was shown in the video was flawed, since it was leaking prior to the plug being removed as it is shown on the video. We thank you for bringing this matter to our attention, as it will help us improve the quality of our products.

We would also like the Eden Fantasy community to know that the very few styles of lattachino glass wands we have, are the only ones with the hollow centers. Though the glass may not appear to be very thick in these styles, we can assure you the glass is in no way as thin as it may look.

If anyone has any questions about any of the pieces in the Don Wands line, please feel free to contact us at info@donwands.com.

Best Regards,

Mike S. less

As a representative of Don Wands, I would like to introduce myself to the Eden Fantasy community. I am the Mike S. that Darling Dove referred to in the first post on this thread. I would first like to apologize, and say that I was mistaken when I initially said the hole was not plugged in the lattachino pieces that we carry. I checked with our quality control department this morning, and realized I was terribly mistaken in my former correspondence to Darling Dove, and that all our lattachino pieces are plugged. The leaking Don Wands piece that was shown in the video was flawed, since it was leaking prior to the plug being removed as it is shown on the video. We thank you for bringing this matter to our attention, as it will help us improve the quality of our products.

We would also like the Eden Fantasy community to know that the very few styles of lattachino glass wands we have, are the only ones with the hollow centers. Though the glass may not appear to be very thick in these styles, we can assure you the glass is in no way as thin as it may look.

If anyone has any questions about any of the pieces in the Don Wands line, please feel free to contact us at info@donwands.com.

Best Regards,

Mike S. less

While most people may simply want to brush this aside and move on I find it irresponsible to do so. The person with the defective toy was promised a replacement and never received it. As well, saying 'It is not as thin as it appears' is a bit of a cop out in my honest opinion. If it's not as thin as it appears then how thin is it? You can see, when you look closely, that some other inside out style toys are hollow, but they are rather thick and have no hole. Silicone and glass are both materials that do not adhere well to other things, so plugging the hole with silicone that can be removed is a poor choice in my opinion- additionally, most higher end toys seem to be hole-less.

In addition I find the company's behavior to have been a bit odd. As soon as it was found out I was posting this elsewhere, I got a reply with some nice legalese seeming to try to scare me into shutting up. Having consulted others, it was deduced that there was no use to the statement since I had not agreed to any sort of confidentiality, and it was merely a scare tactic.

DonWands, what irritates me is not so much that the toys are hollow. It is that your company did not at any point disclose it. In fact I would be willing to overlook the hole if it was disclosed fully. But the fact that I have heard from fellow reviewers that they asked you guys about these issues and got the cold shoulder, then I got a reply and THEN you seemingly tried to scare me off of it, it just seems like a massive chain of dishonesty.

Now lets assume you were not trying to scare me. Okay. You still don't disclose things things unless asked, and the glass still appears to be thin enough to be unsafe. Even if it is not, hollow toys are more susceptible to chipping or breaking due to the thinner glass. Maybe body weight can't crush it, but LIFE still can, and solid glass toys are honestly? very viable as heavy blunt weapons in a pinch, they are very strong. Hollow stuff.. not so much.

So please... disclose these things, don't hide them, offer measurements of thickness or perhaps do a stress test to say how many lbs of force it can resist before breaking. Informed customers are happy customers- and until the vid, and people asking, nobody was informed of any of this. less

As President of XHale, I just wanted to let everyone out there know that the Don Wands glass toyline is probably the highest quality glass import product in the marketplace. My partner and Vice President of XHale, Kevin Kroldart, have been watching the company blossom over the past several years. From what we can see, their techniques are appropriate, safe, and would pass our highest quality control standards. All manufacturers have hollow pieces..include XHale and Phallix. We only solicit one item currently, but I will tell everyone that it is our most expensive piece in our catalogue because it is the most difficult to make by hand..only 3 or 4 glassblowers in the States are capable of making it for us..at least how it should be made. Materials used and technique ultimately determine the structural integrity of a finished glass product. Don Wands does an excellent job at manufacturing, and I would personally recommend and use their products if I were in the market for a less expensive glass toy. less