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Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by Ansley
I've also threatened to beat people with my No. 17. That sucker is solid.
Dang woman you are VIOLENT!
This would be why I behave around here...the staff are just too willing to beat the crap outta naughty children. Course that is also why I like it here...
09/10/2012
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
So do you guys have any ideas or even lessons you'd like to see in the future?
How about making really clear imagery and exposition?
09/10/2012
Contributor: travelnurse travelnurse
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Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
How about making really clear imagery and exposition?
That sounds good.
09/10/2012
Contributor: AHubbyof2SexualMinds AHubbyof2SexualMinds
Hello, sorry I'm late, got caught in a meeting.
09/10/2012
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
How about making really clear imagery and exposition?
Ok so that could segue easily into setting the scene and character development? I have studied both topics extensively but I do notice it tends to be a bug-a-boo for new writers. Not being sure HOW to describe or even WHEN to describe the scenery is tricky.
09/10/2012
Contributor: Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
Dang woman you are VIOLENT!
This would be why I behave around here...the staff are just too willing to beat the crap outta naughty children. Course that is also why I like it here...
Only when absolutely necessary. If Carrie Ann's cherry dong hadn't met its match, we'd still be tossing that at people.

As far as Lessons...you know something that would fit into the poetry thing is learning how to read Shakepeare's works. That might be too dry...though.
09/10/2012
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by AHubbyof2SexualMinds
Hello, sorry I'm late, got caught in a meeting.
Not a problem at all! Welcome to the meeting!
09/10/2012
Contributor: AHubbyof2SexualMinds AHubbyof2SexualMinds
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Originally posted by Ansley
Only when absolutely necessary. If Carrie Ann's cherry dong hadn't met its match, we'd still be tossing that at people.

As far as Lessons...you know something that would fit into the poetry thing is learning how to read ... more
Shakespeare would be good. I agree a little dry, but his phrasing and pacing is really incredible.
09/10/2012
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by Ansley
Only when absolutely necessary. If Carrie Ann's cherry dong hadn't met its match, we'd still be tossing that at people.

As far as Lessons...you know something that would fit into the poetry thing is learning how to read ... more
Reading Shakespeare is actually surprisingly easy once you learn how to read iambic pentameter out loud.
The problem is the unfamiliar word choices and archaic verbs he used.
09/10/2012
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
Ok so that could segue easily into setting the scene and character development? I have studied both topics extensively but I do notice it tends to be a bug-a-boo for new writers. Not being sure HOW to describe or even WHEN to describe the scenery is ... more
Very easily, I imagine. The how's and when's of descriptions of any sort can be tricky, especially if it is something you are already struggling with.
09/10/2012
Contributor: travelnurse travelnurse
I like some satire also, I'm a fan of Vonegut
09/10/2012
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
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Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
Very easily, I imagine. The how's and when's of descriptions of any sort can be tricky, especially if it is something you are already struggling with.
I mean, if it's a story you are already struggling with.
09/10/2012
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by AHubbyof2SexualMinds
Shakespeare would be good. I agree a little dry, but his phrasing and pacing is really incredible.
I actually do cover Shakespearean readings in my lesson on reading poetry out loud. I am so totally in love with Shakespeare even though I refuse to memorize passages...why memorize them when I can pick up the play and simply read, eh? I have memorized a few passages as was required in school though.
09/10/2012
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
I actually do cover Shakespearean readings in my lesson on reading poetry out loud. I am so totally in love with Shakespeare even though I refuse to memorize passages...why memorize them when I can pick up the play and simply read, eh? I have ... more
I have a love/hate relationship with him.
09/10/2012
Contributor: AHubbyof2SexualMinds AHubbyof2SexualMinds
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
I actually do cover Shakespearean readings in my lesson on reading poetry out loud. I am so totally in love with Shakespeare even though I refuse to memorize passages...why memorize them when I can pick up the play and simply read, eh? I have ... more
Ugh, I agree. I had to do the same in college once, one of the most difficult things I did in school. It takes awhile to get iambic pentameter down, but once you do it's pretty easy.
09/10/2012
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
Very easily, I imagine. The how's and when's of descriptions of any sort can be tricky, especially if it is something you are already struggling with.
I might cover that in a series of lessons though. I have found keeping them short and easy to read works best. We did discuss how setting the scene using the phrase, "Suddenly he/she discovered...." is generally amateurish and doesn't read well unless it's done specifically as a surprise happening.

For instance we rarely "Suddenly discover" we are tied down...rather it's a process of discovery that should be explored by the narrator or the main character.
09/10/2012
Contributor: travelnurse travelnurse
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
I might cover that in a series of lessons though. I have found keeping them short and easy to read works best. We did discuss how setting the scene using the phrase, "Suddenly he/she discovered...." is generally amateurish and doesn't ... more
agreed.
09/10/2012
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by travelnurse
I like some satire also, I'm a fan of Vonegut
Hmmmm I haven't done much with satire. I should brush up before tackling it! I like Moliere but never got into Vonegut mainly because my teacher thought he was pretentious...which is like "DUH, of course he is...he's writing SATIRE!"
09/10/2012
Contributor: AHubbyof2SexualMinds AHubbyof2SexualMinds
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
I might cover that in a series of lessons though. I have found keeping them short and easy to read works best. We did discuss how setting the scene using the phrase, "Suddenly he/she discovered...." is generally amateurish and doesn't ... more
I agree totally, I read so much of that and it does come off as amateurish. I do my best to avoid doing that myself.
09/10/2012
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
I might cover that in a series of lessons though. I have found keeping them short and easy to read works best. We did discuss how setting the scene using the phrase, "Suddenly he/she discovered...." is generally amateurish and doesn't ... more
Adverbs in general (usually ending in -ly) are a bad idea anyway. It sounds better and is much more descriptive when you use strong verbs instead of adverbs.
09/10/2012
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by AHubbyof2SexualMinds
Ugh, I agree. I had to do the same in college once, one of the most difficult things I did in school. It takes awhile to get iambic pentameter down, but once you do it's pretty easy.
The words and pronunciation seem to flow if you get the rhythm correct. Makes it much easier to understand as well!
09/10/2012
Contributor: travelnurse travelnurse
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
Hmmmm I haven't done much with satire. I should brush up before tackling it! I like Moliere but never got into Vonegut mainly because my teacher thought he was pretentious...which is like "DUH, of course he is...he's writing SATIRE!"
I also have enjoyed reading his fiction. This past year my teenager and I discussed several of Vonegut's books that he was required to read in school.
09/10/2012
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by SneakersAndPearls
Adverbs in general (usually ending in -ly) are a bad idea anyway. It sounds better and is much more descriptive when you use strong verbs instead of adverbs.
Exactly! I also have a problem with people not using their helping verbs enough. A well constructed sentence reads better but for some reason writers avoid "had had" or other such constructions. I think it's because they are trying to sound very literary but don't realize that the biggest criticism of literature is the fact that it isn't easy to read!
09/10/2012
Contributor: Ansley Ansley
I've become so lax in my personal writings as of late that it's utterly shameful. I make rookie mistakes and I just...so frustrating.
09/10/2012
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by travelnurse
I also have enjoyed reading his fiction. This past year my teenager and I discussed several of Vonegut's books that he was required to read in school.
WOW that's heavy reading for high school! It's good their school has high standards. I just got through reading Romeo and Juliette with my girls. Their school wanted them to read a watered down version but I taught them using the unabridged version. They enjoyed it and learned so much more than they would have.
09/10/2012
Contributor: SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
Exactly! I also have a problem with people not using their helping verbs enough. A well constructed sentence reads better but for some reason writers avoid "had had" or other such constructions. I think it's because they are trying to ... more
I once had an anthropology professor tell us, "Don't use verbs. Use strong nouns." And we were like...um, what?
09/10/2012
Contributor: travelnurse travelnurse
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
WOW that's heavy reading for high school! It's good their school has high standards. I just got through reading Romeo and Juliette with my girls. Their school wanted them to read a watered down version but I taught them using the unabridged ... more
He was actually shocked that his mother owned several of Vonegut's books.
09/10/2012
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by Ansley
I've become so lax in my personal writings as of late that it's utterly shameful. I make rookie mistakes and I just...so frustrating.
Remember the adage; "Keep it SIMPLE, stupid" and you'll rarely go wrong. I think new writers forget that their audience is blind, deaf and sensory deprived. So they skimp on the description to get to the "action". I suggest writing the action first and then setting the scene and doing the follow up.
09/10/2012
Contributor: travelnurse travelnurse
Quote:
Originally posted by Airen Wolf
Remember the adage; "Keep it SIMPLE, stupid" and you'll rarely go wrong. I think new writers forget that their audience is blind, deaf and sensory deprived. So they skimp on the description to get to the "action". I suggest ... more
That sounds good!
09/10/2012
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
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Originally posted by travelnurse
He was actually shocked that his mother owned several of Vonegut's books.
LOL I know the feeling I pulled off my personal book shelf a complete works of Shakespeare unabridged and both of their jaws hit the floor!
09/10/2012