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Eden Photographers Club Meeting - Tuesday, January 17th @ 7 pm EST (Topic: Cropping)
01/17/2012
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A good cropping outcome i'd say!
Originally posted by
Vaccinium
The footprints really make the photo for me. It provides a nice line to follow, provides perspective, and fills a portion of the screen that would otherwise be dead space.
01/17/2012
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I'm fortunate enough to visit these areas for the books I'm writing. Otherwise, I wouldn't have anywhere near the chances I otherwise would.
Originally posted by
Starkiller87
You visit pretty areas to take photos of. I need to go on more photo day trips like I used to.
This was taken in Mount Rainier National Park, by the way.
01/17/2012
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We should arrange a "across a great distance photo outing day" sometime. Because I should do this too.
Originally posted by
Starkiller87
You visit pretty areas to take photos of. I need to go on more photo day trips like I used to.
01/17/2012
OK, so now we know why to crop, so we need to learn how to crop. I'll skip the details on how to do this if you are developing your own film, because if you do that, you already know the procedure, whether it be during the development or afterwards with a sharp implement.
If you shoot digitally, there are three ways to crop your images. First, some cameras have a feature where you can crop the photo while the image is still on your memory card in your camera. This is a quick and easy way to do it, but the drawbacks are that you are doing it on a small LCD screen and it's difficult to see precisely where the best crop would be situated. Also, by doing this on the camera it can irretrievably lose data (i.e., the area outside the crop), so you can never recompose it in the future.
Another way of doing this is to print out the photo and cut it to fit using a cutting implement that will cut a straight line. You don't lose data because you still have the file from which the photo was printed, and you can see exactly what you are cropping out, but you are wasting money, paper, and time by doing so.
Easily the best way to crop is to use photo processing software. Every piece of photo processing software has this feature, so there's no need to use anything but free software if this is all you want to do with it.
Depending on your photo-processing software, you might have a choice of cropping freehand or with specific dimensions (e.g., 1:1, 2: 3, 3: 5, 4: 5, etc.). Freehand has the benefit of allowing you to crop the photo precisely how you want it to look. If you are going to get your photo professionally printed, paste it into a digital book or scrapbook, or simply keep it to look at or share on the computer, this works well. However, if you want to print your photo and frame it, then sticking with the specific dimensions to fit the frame you have selected is your best bet unless you are willing to pay someone to frame a non-standard size.
If you shoot digitally, there are three ways to crop your images. First, some cameras have a feature where you can crop the photo while the image is still on your memory card in your camera. This is a quick and easy way to do it, but the drawbacks are that you are doing it on a small LCD screen and it's difficult to see precisely where the best crop would be situated. Also, by doing this on the camera it can irretrievably lose data (i.e., the area outside the crop), so you can never recompose it in the future.
Another way of doing this is to print out the photo and cut it to fit using a cutting implement that will cut a straight line. You don't lose data because you still have the file from which the photo was printed, and you can see exactly what you are cropping out, but you are wasting money, paper, and time by doing so.
Easily the best way to crop is to use photo processing software. Every piece of photo processing software has this feature, so there's no need to use anything but free software if this is all you want to do with it.
Depending on your photo-processing software, you might have a choice of cropping freehand or with specific dimensions (e.g., 1:1, 2: 3, 3: 5, 4: 5, etc.). Freehand has the benefit of allowing you to crop the photo precisely how you want it to look. If you are going to get your photo professionally printed, paste it into a digital book or scrapbook, or simply keep it to look at or share on the computer, this works well. However, if you want to print your photo and frame it, then sticking with the specific dimensions to fit the frame you have selected is your best bet unless you are willing to pay someone to frame a non-standard size.
01/17/2012
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I met a guy on an Amtrak once who was on his way there to work for the summer. He sent me a really nice postcard.
Originally posted by
Vaccinium
I'm fortunate enough to visit these areas for the books I'm writing. Otherwise, I wouldn't have anywhere near the chances I otherwise would.
This was taken in Mount Rainier National Park, by the way.
This was taken in Mount Rainier National Park, by the way.
I should ride trains more often.
01/17/2012
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Any time y'all need a guide for a photo trip to the Northwest, just let me know.
Originally posted by
Antipova
We should arrange a "across a great distance photo outing day" sometime. Because I should do this too.
01/17/2012
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hehe that would be fun. I need to buy a new camera battery though and I dont have 40 dollars to spend on something so frivolous currently. Or borrow a friends camera that he promised I could test to see ifs what I want to buy.
Originally posted by
Antipova
We should arrange a "across a great distance photo outing day" sometime. Because I should do this too.
01/17/2012
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You meet a lot of interesting people when you travel. Like that nice man in Denver. And this guy on an Amtrak. I'm a little jealous of your conversation starting abilities, lol.
Originally posted by
Antipova
I met a guy on an Amtrak once who was on his way there to work for the summer. He sent me a really nice postcard.
I should ride trains more often.
I should ride trains more often.
01/17/2012
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RIGHT!!!
Originally posted by
Jul!a
You meet a lot of interesting people when you travel. Like that nice man in Denver. And this guy on an Amtrak. I'm a little jealous of your conversation starting abilities, lol.
I mean I talk to randoms sometimes as well but she meets super super nice interesting people everywhere it seems.
01/17/2012
I hate cropping on the camera- i'd rather wait so i can see better and have a back-up image. Good to know stuff!
01/17/2012
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Shall do!
Originally posted by
Vaccinium
Any time y'all need a guide for a photo trip to the Northwest, just let me know.
01/17/2012
Keep in mind when cropping (or taking any photo, for that matter) an image you plan to frame that some portion of the photo will be under the matting or the frame. Don’t crop to close to your subject that you end up having the subject touch or be covered by the frame or matting when everything is done.
When cropping, your best course of action is to make a copy of your image that you want to crop, because in many photo-processing programs, once you make that crop, it’s final. There’s no going back and wishing the photo was a bit larger. What’s done is done. However, if you keep both the original image and the cropped copy, you can always go back and recrop it if necessary. This is a good rule of thumb for any photo-processing work you do, actually.
Back when digital cameras first came out, I would never have recommended cropping, because the image resolution was so small that you simply couldn’t print out an image that was cropped significantly. Nowadays, however, the resolution is so large that you need to size down anyway if you want to print out a smaller (3 x 5, 4 x 6, 5 x 7, etc.) print, that cropping doesn’t make much difference. Now, if you want to make a larger print to frame, cropping is not your best option, but otherwise it can be a great benefit.
When cropping, your best course of action is to make a copy of your image that you want to crop, because in many photo-processing programs, once you make that crop, it’s final. There’s no going back and wishing the photo was a bit larger. What’s done is done. However, if you keep both the original image and the cropped copy, you can always go back and recrop it if necessary. This is a good rule of thumb for any photo-processing work you do, actually.
Back when digital cameras first came out, I would never have recommended cropping, because the image resolution was so small that you simply couldn’t print out an image that was cropped significantly. Nowadays, however, the resolution is so large that you need to size down anyway if you want to print out a smaller (3 x 5, 4 x 6, 5 x 7, etc.) print, that cropping doesn’t make much difference. Now, if you want to make a larger print to frame, cropping is not your best option, but otherwise it can be a great benefit.
01/17/2012
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This so much. Its one thing I cant stress enough to people. Dont crop too close if you are framing it because your gonna lose part of the picture in matting or framing. Seriously this 100%!!!
Originally posted by
Vaccinium
Keep in mind when cropping (or taking any photo, for that matter) an image you plan to frame that some portion of the photo will be under the matting or the frame. Don’t crop to close to your subject that you end up having the subject touch or be
...
more
Keep in mind when cropping (or taking any photo, for that matter) an image you plan to frame that some portion of the photo will be under the matting or the frame. Don’t crop to close to your subject that you end up having the subject touch or be covered by the frame or matting when everything is done.
When cropping, your best course of action is to make a copy of your image that you want to crop, because in many photo-processing programs, once you make that crop, it’s final. There’s no going back and wishing the photo was a bit larger. What’s done is done. However, if you keep both the original image and the cropped copy, you can always go back and recrop it if necessary. This is a good rule of thumb for any photo-processing work you do, actually.
Back when digital cameras first came out, I would never have recommended cropping, because the image resolution was so small that you simply couldn’t print out an image that was cropped significantly. Nowadays, however, the resolution is so large that you need to size down anyway if you want to print out a smaller (3 x 5, 4 x 6, 5 x 7, etc.) print, that cropping doesn’t make much difference. Now, if you want to make a larger print to frame, cropping is not your best option, but otherwise it can be a great benefit. less
When cropping, your best course of action is to make a copy of your image that you want to crop, because in many photo-processing programs, once you make that crop, it’s final. There’s no going back and wishing the photo was a bit larger. What’s done is done. However, if you keep both the original image and the cropped copy, you can always go back and recrop it if necessary. This is a good rule of thumb for any photo-processing work you do, actually.
Back when digital cameras first came out, I would never have recommended cropping, because the image resolution was so small that you simply couldn’t print out an image that was cropped significantly. Nowadays, however, the resolution is so large that you need to size down anyway if you want to print out a smaller (3 x 5, 4 x 6, 5 x 7, etc.) print, that cropping doesn’t make much difference. Now, if you want to make a larger print to frame, cropping is not your best option, but otherwise it can be a great benefit. less
01/17/2012
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Lol! Like, yeah, I can strike up a conversation but it's never anything really meaningful like Antipova's are.
Originally posted by
Starkiller87
RIGHT!!!
I mean I talk to randoms sometimes as well but she meets super super nice interesting people everywhere it seems.
I mean I talk to randoms sometimes as well but she meets super super nice interesting people everywhere it seems.
01/17/2012
[So, that's it for my tutorial on cropping. If you have any questions about it, please feel free to ask.
I'll get another trivia question ready while you formulate any questions you might have.
I'll post the question in 1-2 minutes.
I'll get another trivia question ready while you formulate any questions you might have.
I'll post the question in 1-2 minutes.
01/17/2012
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"Where did you grow up?"
Originally posted by
Jul!a
You meet a lot of interesting people when you travel. Like that nice man in Denver. And this guy on an Amtrak. I'm a little jealous of your conversation starting abilities, lol.
"What was your favorite meal your mom made?"
"Tell me how to make it?"
every time the conversation goes dead. Everyone always has an answer, and I always learn something!
But trains are just big conversations starters no matter what. You're all just sitting there riding together for hours at a time, I got all these architecture lessons from some old guy between Cumberland Gap and Indiana... and a guy from St. Paul who worked in a train museum... and a kid running away from home (he had used my cell to call his friend in Pittsburgh so I was later able to ask his friend if he had gotten home safely and he had)...
that was fun. I need a train trip again.
01/17/2012
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Good advice. I always keep an original copy so I can undo changes.
Originally posted by
Vaccinium
Keep in mind when cropping (or taking any photo, for that matter) an image you plan to frame that some portion of the photo will be under the matting or the frame. Don’t crop to close to your subject that you end up having the subject touch or be
...
more
Keep in mind when cropping (or taking any photo, for that matter) an image you plan to frame that some portion of the photo will be under the matting or the frame. Don’t crop to close to your subject that you end up having the subject touch or be covered by the frame or matting when everything is done.
When cropping, your best course of action is to make a copy of your image that you want to crop, because in many photo-processing programs, once you make that crop, it’s final. There’s no going back and wishing the photo was a bit larger. What’s done is done. However, if you keep both the original image and the cropped copy, you can always go back and recrop it if necessary. This is a good rule of thumb for any photo-processing work you do, actually.
Back when digital cameras first came out, I would never have recommended cropping, because the image resolution was so small that you simply couldn’t print out an image that was cropped significantly. Nowadays, however, the resolution is so large that you need to size down anyway if you want to print out a smaller (3 x 5, 4 x 6, 5 x 7, etc.) print, that cropping doesn’t make much difference. Now, if you want to make a larger print to frame, cropping is not your best option, but otherwise it can be a great benefit. less
When cropping, your best course of action is to make a copy of your image that you want to crop, because in many photo-processing programs, once you make that crop, it’s final. There’s no going back and wishing the photo was a bit larger. What’s done is done. However, if you keep both the original image and the cropped copy, you can always go back and recrop it if necessary. This is a good rule of thumb for any photo-processing work you do, actually.
Back when digital cameras first came out, I would never have recommended cropping, because the image resolution was so small that you simply couldn’t print out an image that was cropped significantly. Nowadays, however, the resolution is so large that you need to size down anyway if you want to print out a smaller (3 x 5, 4 x 6, 5 x 7, etc.) print, that cropping doesn’t make much difference. Now, if you want to make a larger print to frame, cropping is not your best option, but otherwise it can be a great benefit. less
Computers let us take lots of risks that wouldn't have been justifiable back in the day...
01/17/2012
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Old guys are my absolute favorite. I used to work at a museum with old people, I miss them every day. I love listening to stories from older people, its so interesting.
Originally posted by
Antipova
"Where did you grow up?"
"What was your favorite meal your mom made?"
"Tell me how to make it?"
every time the conversation goes dead. Everyone always has an answer, and I always learn ... more
"What was your favorite meal your mom made?"
"Tell me how to make it?"
every time the conversation goes dead. Everyone always has an answer, and I always learn ... more
"Where did you grow up?"
"What was your favorite meal your mom made?"
"Tell me how to make it?"
every time the conversation goes dead. Everyone always has an answer, and I always learn something!
But trains are just big conversations starters no matter what. You're all just sitting there riding together for hours at a time, I got all these architecture lessons from some old guy between Cumberland Gap and Indiana... and a guy from St. Paul who worked in a train museum... and a kid running away from home (he had used my cell to call his friend in Pittsburgh so I was later able to ask his friend if he had gotten home safely and he had)...
that was fun. I need a train trip again. less
"What was your favorite meal your mom made?"
"Tell me how to make it?"
every time the conversation goes dead. Everyone always has an answer, and I always learn something!
But trains are just big conversations starters no matter what. You're all just sitting there riding together for hours at a time, I got all these architecture lessons from some old guy between Cumberland Gap and Indiana... and a guy from St. Paul who worked in a train museum... and a kid running away from home (he had used my cell to call his friend in Pittsburgh so I was later able to ask his friend if he had gotten home safely and he had)...
that was fun. I need a train trip again. less
01/17/2012
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That was sweet of you to check up on him and make sure he got where he was going safely. The world needs more people like you.
Originally posted by
Antipova
"Where did you grow up?"
"What was your favorite meal your mom made?"
"Tell me how to make it?"
every time the conversation goes dead. Everyone always has an answer, and I always learn ... more
"What was your favorite meal your mom made?"
"Tell me how to make it?"
every time the conversation goes dead. Everyone always has an answer, and I always learn ... more
"Where did you grow up?"
"What was your favorite meal your mom made?"
"Tell me how to make it?"
every time the conversation goes dead. Everyone always has an answer, and I always learn something!
But trains are just big conversations starters no matter what. You're all just sitting there riding together for hours at a time, I got all these architecture lessons from some old guy between Cumberland Gap and Indiana... and a guy from St. Paul who worked in a train museum... and a kid running away from home (he had used my cell to call his friend in Pittsburgh so I was later able to ask his friend if he had gotten home safely and he had)...
that was fun. I need a train trip again. less
"What was your favorite meal your mom made?"
"Tell me how to make it?"
every time the conversation goes dead. Everyone always has an answer, and I always learn something!
But trains are just big conversations starters no matter what. You're all just sitting there riding together for hours at a time, I got all these architecture lessons from some old guy between Cumberland Gap and Indiana... and a guy from St. Paul who worked in a train museum... and a kid running away from home (he had used my cell to call his friend in Pittsburgh so I was later able to ask his friend if he had gotten home safely and he had)...
that was fun. I need a train trip again. less
01/17/2012
So, the first person to answer this question correctly will win a $25 gift card from EdenFantasys.
Just to make sure you were paying attention, and it needs to be spelled correctly to win.....What is the name of the white bird in the photo I used to demonstrate rescue cropping?
Just to make sure you were paying attention, and it needs to be spelled correctly to win.....What is the name of the white bird in the photo I used to demonstrate rescue cropping?
01/17/2012
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If there were more Antipovas the world would explode from too much awesome food and great conversation. Maybe its best that shes one of a kind. hehe
Originally posted by
Jul!a
That was sweet of you to check up on him and make sure he got where he was going safely. The world needs more people like you.
01/17/2012
ptarmigan
01/17/2012
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Congrats, Curiouscat! Yes it is a ptarmigan! This bird changes its plumage to suit its environment, so during winter its plumage is white to match the snow, whereas during summer it is dusky and mottled so it blends in with forest and meadow debris
Originally posted by
Curiouscat
ptarmigan
01/17/2012
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Congrats!
Originally posted by
Vaccinium
Congrats, Curiouscat! Yes it is a ptarmigan! This bird changes its plumage to suit its environment, so during winter its plumage is white to match the snow, whereas during summer it is dusky and mottled so it blends in with forest and meadow debris
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Congrats, Curiouscat! Yes it is a ptarmigan! This bird changes its plumage to suit its environment, so during winter its plumage is white to match the snow, whereas during summer it is dusky and mottled so it blends in with forest and meadow debris
less
01/17/2012
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I know!
Originally posted by
Starkiller87
Old guys are my absolute favorite. I used to work at a museum with old people, I miss them every day. I love listening to stories from older people, its so interesting.
I had a job with the forest service my last summer of high school, and I spent a bunch of time wowkring out in the shop with the guy who was hired in the Senior Citizen Employment Program... he had been a lumberjack, and the had the BEST stories of he and all his friends going to Chicago once they realized they had all been drafted and might as well knock off working since they had enough money to last til they were sent overseas...
the stories he would tell...!
01/17/2012
OK, time for critiquing!
The rules are simple. Everyone who wants to participate should now post one of their photos to be critiqued. Then, by replying to a specific image, everyone should post at least one positive about the image and at least one negative.
If you have any questions about any of this, now is the time to ask.
The rules are simple. Everyone who wants to participate should now post one of their photos to be critiqued. Then, by replying to a specific image, everyone should post at least one positive about the image and at least one negative.
If you have any questions about any of this, now is the time to ask.
01/17/2012
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I loved reading about ptarmigans in ... whichever gradeschool book that was.
Originally posted by
Vaccinium
Congrats, Curiouscat! Yes it is a ptarmigan! This bird changes its plumage to suit its environment, so during winter its plumage is white to match the snow, whereas during summer it is dusky and mottled so it blends in with forest and meadow debris
...
more
Congrats, Curiouscat! Yes it is a ptarmigan! This bird changes its plumage to suit its environment, so during winter its plumage is white to match the snow, whereas during summer it is dusky and mottled so it blends in with forest and meadow debris
less
01/17/2012
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Thanks :3 congrats to you also.
Originally posted by
Starkiller87
Congrats!
At first when you said the birds name I thought you were using an expression LOL took me a moment.
01/17/2012
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This is very true. Although if maybe there were only one copy that lived near me then? lol
Originally posted by
Starkiller87
If there were more Antipovas the world would explode from too much awesome food and great conversation. Maybe its best that shes one of a kind. hehe
01/17/2012