You mean ballgags? Or like, gag gifts, like penis shaped ice trays?

And no--just because I'm not into something or don't see the appeal, it doesn't mean that I don't want Eden to not sell it. I want Eden to sell a wide variety of things that appeal to people all over the spectrum of human sexuality. It's called Eden for a reason, don't you think?

I with you on the Jelly. As far as gagging toys go, I'm okay with them. I am not into gagging, but a large number of folks find it pleasurable and when done safely, why not. But unsafe materials like the Jelly...that's not good. The smell alone grosses me out.

Thank you. I wholeheartedly agree with you

Most people use an alternative to speaking a safeword if they have a gag in. Dropping something (keys, a ball, ect) or a specific tap (two loud taps against what they are tied to, or their partner) to opt out. Also, gagging isn't usually an issues with ballgags. Most don't extent far enough into the mouth to trigger the gag reflex. If an overly sensitive gag reflex was something that would be an issue, responsible kinksters would inform their partner of the problem, and would probably avoid gags altogether.

As for the 'things that can make you bleed' not being ok, well, I have very differing opinions. Your kinks are not mine and all that. I love blood play from needles and knives, and also occasionally from impact. (Whips can break skin and leave such gorgeous and painful marks!)

Personally, I'd love Eden to carry fewer poorly made BDSM products, but that's about it as far as items I don't want on here.

Yeah, I'd like the jelly toys gone too. I mean, the material looks cool, but safety is the top priority. Surely there must be a way to make them out of safer materials...

Yes--well put. There are alternatives to safe words with gags. I'd find it odd if Eden didn't sell such a basic and common piece of BDSM gear. I inquired about spider gags not too long ago. I would love to have one, and Eden does not sell them, at least at the moment. I would like a wider variety.

I think safety needs to be left at least a little up to the individual. We have a wonderful, well informed community to turn to when we're not sure of something, and considering all the great, accurate information available here, it's not Eden's place to hold my hand and make sure that I'm using products in the safest manner possible. They might as well stop with jelly vibes and dildos, not just anal toys. They might as well stop with restraints and floggers, cock rings, and oil based lubes. Or, they can just trust that their customers are adults, and should be treated like adults who can take care of themselves and deal with the consequences of their actions if they don't behave responsibly. I'd prefer that approach.

This is a fabulous response, Kira.

We all have our own level of what is acceptable and what isn't. I've never personally used a gag, but I see no reason why we shouldn't carry them as I understand they are a large part of a successful session for some people.

There are items we carry that I would never be interested in, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be available for everyone else.

What are you talking about? Make you bleed toys? Eden doesn't carry them. Yes they could get rid of the cheesy non BDSM products in their BDSM section. The material of products aren't decided by Eden, they just sell the toys. There are other ways to signal when you've had enough, you don't need your mouth.

I am not into BDSM but I don't have a problem with any of it being on the site I simply just don't look in that section. I personally love that Eden carries a variety of things what happens to those who don't believe plus size women shouldn't wear lingerie? I know that has nothing to do with BDSM but I love that EF carries plus size lingerie. I really don't care what they add to the site as long as they are adding new things in the sections I shop in. To each their own (: If you don't like the items do as I do an steer clear of the section where those items can be found as well as stay away from the reviews about the items.

Vampire gloves don't actually have to break skin. It's not difficult to control how much pressure you're exerting on your partner's skin. Now, that being said, if you're slapping/spanking someone with them, or dragging them across skin with some force, yes, you will probably make your partner bleed.

I think it's a bit...hrm...disingenuo us, maybe, of you to have linked to the review above, especially since the author flat out says that they don't like vampire gloves and only used them once, briefly. Of the 13 reviews on the page for that product, 5 are 5 star ratings, and 5 are 4 star. Why not just link to the page itself or one of the positive reviews, rather than one of the only two negative reviews?

I have to agree with Kira. Your posts are coming across as very judgmental towards people who do not have the same kinks as you.

That's not necessarily true, though it is primarily true. There is a limit to what we will stock when it comes to BDSM gear.

There is a huge difference between asking "...is there anything you don't want to see here on Eden," which is what you originally asked, versus "if there are things you don't care for."

I don't think anyone here wants to limit what EF carries in any way. We are all adults with different likes/dislikes. Let EF offer everything possible and simply let the buyer decide.

Going by your first post:

"I find nothing cool about gagging toys. I think that's just whack. As for you, is there anything you don't want to see here on Eden?"

I would never have guessed you were talking about the vampire gloves of all things, and I definitely read it the same way Kindred did.

Perhaps you should ask a mod to change the title of the thread if possible?

I agree with this. There are plenty of toys that I don't want to use, and that I'm not interested. That doesn't mean I want to take them away from other people, or see them taken off Eden. That just seems a little selfish.

That's why you have safe signals. There's always a safety measure involved. Some people, myself included, are into toys that make you bleed as well. Don't buy them if you don't like them. There's no reason they should be taken off the site.

I want to see as many quality items for all kinks and fetishes as Eden is willing to carry. I don't have to be in to it to know the wider the audience the better this community will be. I don't like masturbation sleeves, mostly because being a cis-female I have zero use for them, but that doesn't mean other people aren't entitled to enjoy them. The only items I'd have a problem with are illegal ones such as blow up sex dolls made to look like children. And I'm pretty sure we aren't seeing those here anyway.

And as for gagging, I wished they had more. They don't carry the spider gag my husband requested and that means I'll end up having to ordering it elsewhere.